Why Men Are Afraid of MGTOW

[Chlodovech]

Sigh. It's all just really sad, to be quite honest. All I read is excuse after excuse as to why you can't get laid or find a qt. 3.14 aryan NatSoc girlfriend (they don't exist).

Urgh, no. It's not about me. I like the single life too much, it's not for everyone though. What you should've been reading is a post which is pro-patriarchy and anti-cucking out, whether I am in a relationship or not is completely irrelevant - to the truth, to what has to be done. Not settling for Becky while living in a feminist dictatorship is something all men should do. That's how we can raise dating standards again and it doesn't require a whole lot of effort from the individual. Whether these women exist or not doesn't matter, I happen to believe it's possible but that's neither here nor there, the problem is the lack of a patriarchal system - women will be women with their strengths and weaknesses.

Me: types out post, makes thought-out argument - can reference reality.
You: you can't get laid or find a girlfriend, you're insecure.

That's not serious. You're not a shrink - and I hope not a feminist, because this is what every feminist ever says as well. I would say you're insecure about something if you steer a debate into the personal realm. I hoped we were passed the personal attacks in gender related threads now. What makes you even think I all of a sudden care about bedding whomever?

Nobody respects the sore loser who blames others for their misfortunes, not even those aligned with your political pov.

Are 40% of American sore losers? They fit the definition of "incel losers". At which point are we going to look for causality between people's lives and political, technological and cultural developments? 50%? 60%? Are we going to lie to ourselves to the bitter end? Yes, undoubtedly big social, cultural and technological changes lay at the root of this issue - probably none more so important than the pill, women studying and working & controlling an otherwise unregulated sexual market place while gaining legal privileges - all that has had a massive effect on the dating market and relationships. We can discuss all these things or we can discuss my unrelated sex and love life.

I'm just a random guy (> insert randomfag.jpg) on the internet who loves to read and watch YT vids and accidently discovered that MGTOW is basically correct, it took me a while too - I'm merely convinced by the argument. It would be far easier for me to cuck out, be a head down Harry and shut my mouth or complain about the evil manosphere, that would spare me having to listen to nonsense about me being an incel or some other BS. I'm not important, the message is. It's the hardest red pill. And that's why it invokes so much rage on the part of blue pill men - as pointed out in the video. Because it's true and it's so damn hard to admit. It takes a Tyler Durdenesque effort. "It's only after we've lost everything..."

the stronger horse - one day that may not be you, in fact, it's likely.

Projecting much?
These sort of statements come from a position of deep-seated insecurity.

Do you deny there are men who are taller, richer, stronger, more powerful and better looking than you? And that there will never be, during your lifetime? Relationships end all the bloody time for the silliest of reasons under feminism. I'm pointing out the obvious. We men are not so special to women as you think we are, Elessar. We're all replaceable. Under feminism, that is.

Very poor example. They performed a necessary (or not so necessary) function, sure. But to think you're on par with these sort of professions is downright larping.

It's not about the profession. I'm saying that people chosing celibacy throughout the ages isn't abnormal. Not all these people I mentioned were required to be either celibate or single. Being a saint isn't a profession either, and yet many laymen (and even a king here or there) in all ages have gone MGTOW for whatever reasons of their own, rarely as good as those of today's men escaping the plantation!

But don't widen the Gender War, it works in (((their))) favor.

No Alex Jones, it's necessary pushback and it can only work in our favor in the big picture, lots of angry Germanic men willing to align with us is a plus. Or do we now officially capitulate to feminism as well? Are we also going to capitulate to trannies, the non-binary and gays? What about the "race war"? Plenty of non-nationalist countersemites think ethnonationalism works in (((their))) favor, you know.

Women don't find incels and MGTOWs attractive.

Who cares, no men in the manosphere expect to receive applause from women - but are you going to wait for women to do what men should do? I don't give a hoot in hell for what women find attractive or not - if you do, you're directionless - don't model yourself after a (modern) woman's standard - that's not how you are gonna stand out from other guys and it's a race to the bottom. Other than that: it's usually not written on people's faces whether they're incel (which this discussion isn't about, we already have an incel thread) or MGTOW. To say women aren't attracted by such men is a bridge too far, many MGTOW have girlfriends. It completely depends on who we are talking about. And there are plenty of good-looking dudes women do find attractive who are nonetheless incels. The 40% aren't all ugly ducklings, you know.

You sound like a Communist.

...like a realist. Why argue against the reality of our extinction being a fact as soon as feminism is under attack?

I see you've given up and want to drag other men down this pit of misery (which doesn't have to exist if you don't want it to).

No, you! I'm willing to go for broke since everything is already lost, you accept the feminist status-quo which is what leads to our complete demise.

This ideology you posses is rife with poison and robs other men (and women) from attaining personal and interpersonal development skills.

A crazy thought, but: we can attain personal and interpersonal development without degeneracy too while still allowing for national survival. Which is what "my ideology" - everyone's ideology for the better part of the last few thousand years - is all about. You don't need an army of sexual partners and ex-girlfriends and ex-wives to get there.

I would love to see you revisit this thread in ten years from now and see what you think and have to say then. I hope it happens. If you can figure out 9/11, you'll figure this out too. There's still time to defect to the TRP-revolution.

[Rodulf]

I'm not afraid of MGTOW, I just think it plays into the hands of our racial enemies. Same for feminism. It's a wedge between Aryan men and women, and that warms the heart of a certain ethnic/religious minority who hate us and seek our destruction.

[Bärin]

Because it's unnatural and anti-preservation. It's the male version of feminism. MGTOW = childlessness. You can't promote it for the masses just like you can't promote childfree movement for the masses. Or homosexuality. If every man supports MGTOW, and every woman feminism, our nations will be divided and die. That's the sad truth. Ok, not everyone can have children, there's excuses not to have them like infertility or genetic defects, focusing on politics, whatever, but that should be the exception and not the rule. As a rule, a Germanic man should be encouraged to have a children, just like a woman should. Besides, if men "go their own way", what should women do? Become feminists? Because that's the result when you remove men out of the equation. Men and women should be encouraged to be together, and form the most basic unit of the nation: a family. Of course that starts with nationalist men and women, not with modern trash. I've told you what the solution is: date a nationalist woman. It worked for my husband. It worked for Thorburn. It worked for Bleyer, who recently married Siebenbürgerin. It worked for this other Skadi couple, forgot their names. It worked for hundreds of other nationalists. So why wouldn't it work for you? You like the single life? Good for you, be celibate, but don't expect other men to follow in your steps and start hating women and ending their relationships. Maybe you don't realize it because the MGTOW ideology clouds your judgment, but men who live in traditional marriages and have children also show the middle finger to modernism and most importantly they partake in preservation. MGTOW don't, it's as simple as that.

[LillyCaterina]

Negative life experiences involving personal relationships can result in both men and women going their own way. At least until enough time elapses to heal their emotional wounds. And, sadly, sometimes this never happens.

I don't understand why anyone would want to spend their entire lives alone. But that's just me.

My current hubby and I had to resolve a number of troubling issues (baggage) caused by previous relationships that failed.

This video depicts an expressive modern dance illustrating the complex assortment of socially induced problems men and women are confronted with these days.

[Astragoth]

It's the male version of feminism.

No it's not male feminism its men refusing to participate in a system thats stacked against them.

I've told you what the solution is: date a nationalist woman.

Good luck finding one. Trying to find a woman like that is like trying to find a unicorn.

[Sigebrond]

The simple truth is a man would have to be a moron to get married these days or have kids with a woman.

LOL that's just pathetic to see on a forum supposedly concerned with being "conservative" and "traditional". MGTOWS just blame women for their own failures, and will use basically anything as an excuse for being a worthless, pussy beta male.

[Skärmträl]

LOL that's just pathetic to see on a forum supposedly concerned with being "conservative" and "traditional".

The forum is preservationist (as per the mission statement), and I would think that conservatism and traditionalism are but two ways to try to achieve preservation, not the be-all and end-all.

Also, not that I'm pro-MGTOW (and this thread is the first time I've ever heard about it), but it seems to me that the preservation of heritage has to do with a lot more than just baby-making and family. Some people are obviously more keen on e.g. cultural expression, "hermits" dedicated to the arts or technology, all those other little things that push a heritage forward.

[Þoreiðar]

I can understand some men turning to MGTOW. For men with standards, it can be a very difficult task to find a suitable partner. And perhaps getting out of the market and focusing on different arenas in life is just what some men need. But at the end of the day, it is only a coping strategy. I don't think many people subscribing to the 'MGTOW movement' actually see it as an ideal life situation. Otherwise they would just live their life as they saw fit, and not need to put a label or name on it. Most of the videos and articles I've seen from the MGTOW community is full of resentment and disappointment with modern female mentality and behavior. If they had no aspirations to partner up, why bother with that or even make note it?

I don't think masses of men going MGTOW is going to change much about the state of women and society in their favor. In most Western countries, there is already a surplus of men in relation to women, due to large scale immigration of young men from Third World countries. Even if 20% of the young male population were to adhere to the principles of MGTOW, there would still be enough men to go around.

So sure, go MGTOW for a while, if that's what you need. But it won't result in solutions to the problems that these men want to see. Not in the short run, and likely not in the long run.

[Astragoth]

LOL that's just pathetic to see on a forum supposedly concerned with being "conservative" and "traditional".

"You're going to die penniless and alone. I'm taking the kids and I'll make sure they hate you." Something a man's ex
wife said right to his face. That man was working until he was literally about to drop or blow his brains out. Whatever
came first. I heard and seen stories like this many, many times over the years.
Theres a reason men are reluctant to get married Its a huge gamble and 80% of the time your going to lose.
Hey preservationists?, what do you do when theres nothing left to preserve?

[Bärin]

No it's not male feminism its men refusing to participate in a system thats stacked against them.

Like I said, having a traditional family is the best way one can show the finger to feminism. MGTOW is not, it's a cop out. It's capitulation. Men who "go their own way" are basically saying that feminism and SJWism have won, and they retreat with the tail between their legs. Don't like the society you live in? Then try to change it. If MGTOW think that by showing their backs feminist women will suddenly turn traditional, they're only fooling themselves. It's bullsh*t.

Good luck finding one. Trying to find a woman like that is like trying to find a unicorn.

Unlike nationalist women, unicorns don't exist. Only in fairy tales. Nationalist women exist. They exist on this forum. True, some of them are married, but there's single ones too. And if there's single nationalist women on a forum like Skadi, which is only a small % of the world, then there are also nationalist women off it. Of course you won't find them growing on trees though. You have to look for them, invest some effort. Frequent nationalist events, rallies, demos, etc. No nationalist woman is going to come and ask you to date her. Nationalist women are traditional, and therefore expect the men to wear the pants.