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    What the Right Gets Wrong About Motherhood



    Certainly many good points from Critical Condition, except for one thing. Given that she's only a budding ethnonationalist, I was a bit dismayed by her little speech about "not feeling the need to make babies for the movement". She may not feel obliged to make babies for the movement, okay, but if she ever fully embraces ethnonationalism I hope she realizes she's part of a community which does need children to survive and prosper. From that perspective making children just for yourself/family seems selfish and shortsighted. But the video gets it overall far more right than wrong.

    I've been following Critical Condition for a while now - she moved from Jordan B. Peterson worship to alt lite and religiously rightwing positions. Lately she has been dabbling in ethnonationalism, but C.R. is far from fully red pilled yet and sometimes says things she would not receive an iron cross for from me. Still, she'll get there, as her subscribers keep pushing her in the right direction.
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    An excellent comment here ...


    This is my story, CC. Much needed video. I'm not surprised it's coming from a women since women are more relational and better at understanding relational nuance. the dissident/ trad right has been dominated by males and has made me more of a feminist than I ever was before.I'm in my 30s now, and have been a Conservative since I was a teen. I'm Christian, so I've always been against degeneracy. but having the "trad" Right, surface highly a few years back, the mannosphere, mgtow as well etc. they have done the EXACT opposite of what their intended goals are--made me honestly resent men (since the majority of my interactions were now with these types online), made me less wanting to be 'trad' and 'feminine'. my husband also hates them and has essentially stopped engaging on social media bc he finds the rightwing has been invaded by toxic and dysfunctional personalities, disgruntled males who emote against females under the guise of some kind of virtue . for those of you new to the right, it wasn't always this way at all. it was a great place to be. it had great gender relationships, logic, true Christianity. not this dogma, bullying and constant anti-female animus. This experience isn't unique to me. I've been in so many dm groups and facebook groups with women all saying the same thing. many have left twitter or social media bc these people have bullied them, doxxed them and even sent pics of their children to porn sites. many younger ones have flipped and went to the left bc they were tired of being called "thot" and bullied and told they are basically nothing more than their wombs, they shouldn't work or vote or be educated. the far left denies gender, and the right then tries to present these LARPy caricatures of what it means to be male and female. I can't imagine being a younger girl logging onto the internet these days and seeing all the anti-female crap in the rightwing. the left tells you to be a whore and abort your kids, and the right tells you you're nothing but a breeding cow and you shouldn't vote, work or be educated. f*ck that,
    Much of the above can be observed on this forum and I’ve been mentioning these issues (and how counterproductive they are) for as long as I can remember.

    She's summed it all up in a nutshell!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonPagan View Post
    Much of the above can be observed on this forum and I’ve been mentioning these issues (and how counterproductive they are) for as long as I can remember.

    She's summed it all up in a nutshell!
    Sounds like over-emotional hyperbole to me. From what I've observed on social media, from Twitter to Instagram to Youtube, female personalities within the traditionalist/right-wing scene easily get about twice or thrice the amount of praise and attention as their male equivalents do. Perhaps 10-20% of that two-or-three-folded attention is of a negative and harassing nature. I don't know, it may very well be more. But either way, that's just the name of the game. Popular figures get trolled. It's just a part of the backside of the medal, so to speak.

    If you have witnessed any females being harassed or bullied on Skadi, I hope you call it to the attention of the staff, as I'm fairly sure that's against the forum guidelines. Personally, I've never seen any of that. Nor can I recall anyone here characterizing women as "breeding cows - good for nothing but utilizing their wombs". Sure, there's a social pressure on women to prioritize children, and I can understand women whom may find grievances with that. But I'm pretty sure these very same women have their own gender-specific demands of the men in the movement, as well. And I don't see anything wrong with that, in and of itself. But as a general rule, social incentives/pressure should primarily be of a positive and encouraging nature, instead of a negative and condemning one.

    It would be nice to hear some female perspective on this.
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    Nor can I recall anyone here characterizing women as "breeding cows - good for nothing but utilizing their wombs"
    You have to be kidding! There are any number of threads where this is a major theme and you normally contribute to them yourself, including this recent one ...

    Although the title doesn't suggest this, it soon became all about removing women from higher education and getting them to procreate from an early age. You were advocating monogamous one-income families, restoring the patriarchy and going on about fertility rates (..because you didn't feel that women were breeding sufficiently fast) so the whole discussion was focused around getting women to reproduce.

    In addition to your own contribution, Astragoth said: Higher education does not one bit of good for women and Chlodovech said: If you want your daughter to be marriageable one day, tell her to leave school now and then later he added that he'd let them go to college ...

    provided they become mother to two children before the age of 30 or three before for the age of 25
    What is that if not perceiving women as 'breeding cows'? This is just one thread amongst many and you can quite easily find the others with minimal effort.

    It's exactly as 'Happy Girl' says in her commentary:

    the left tells you to be a whore and abort your kids, and the right tells you you're nothing but a breeding cow and you shouldn't vote, work or be educated. f*ck that,
    I've just confirmed most of this, with examples, based on less than 15 minutes' research on this one forum! I really don't understand how anyone can fail to see this stuff.

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    the left tells you to be a whore and abort your kids, and the right tells you you're nothing but a breeding cow and you shouldn't vote, work or be educated. f*ck that,
    Sadly this is very true. Both the right and the left have extreme views about mother/womanhood. To the left, it is, like the woman in the video says, a form of degradation and slavery, while to the right it is a duty to "breed them out".

    Not everyone is fit to be a parent, and it doesn't necessarily have to do with finances or ideology. Some people simply don't have the character for it, and there are many wrong reasons to have a child, just as there are many right ones. The woman in the video is also right that some people oversimplify mother/parenthood. For example, I'd mention here people who want children to save their marriage or to feel less lonely and isolated. In the end, mother/parenthood is a job, much like going into a certain occupation such as being a doctor or lawyer. Not everyone is cut for it, and they shouldn't be forced into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonPagan View Post
    Although the title doesn't suggest this, it soon became all about removing women from higher education and getting them to procreate from an early age. You were advocating monogamous one-income families, restoring the patriarchy and going on about fertility rates (..because you didn't feel that women were breeding sufficiently fast) so the whole discussion was focused around getting women to reproduce.
    I was pointing out the incompatibility between replacement-level fertility and modern-day feminism/women's empowerment, compared to past patriarchal societies. That's statistically and factually incontestable, and has nothing to do with how I view and treat women.

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    In addition to your own contribution, Astragoth said: Higher education does not one bit of good for women and Chlodovech said: If you want your daughter to be marriageable one day, tell her to leave school now and then later he added that he'd let them go to college ...
    Ok, granted, you found one. However, I can't see how Chlod's remark is testament to any deep-seated opposition to women's education. He clearly states that "If the objective is marriage/a long term relationship, then higher education impedes reaching that goal for women". That is simply the truth, if one looks at the statistics. Of course, not every single woman falls into this, but I think it's redundant to state we are talking about generalizations here. Are we misogynistic bigots for stating the facts?

    If you have cracked the code on how to combine women's full-time and life-long career focus with replacement-level fertility rates, on a broad societal level, please share your findings. Because I would like nothing more than for our women to have all the choices and opportunities in the World, while still making the '14 words' possible to achieve.

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    What is that if not perceiving women as 'breeding cows'?
    Well, firstly, we have more respect for women and motherhood than to use such wording. Motherhood is one of the most beautiful things in this World, and should be regarded as such. And I don't think anyone who's had a mother of their own present in their life, seriously thinks the only value she had to offer was giving birth. Calling them "breeding cows" is highly disrespectful towards all the women who do have children and prioritize their role as a mother. Which, by the way, includes as good as all women prior to the 60s/70s. Is that how you want to think of and remember half of your ancestors?

    I have no problem admitting that there are tons of women whom have a lot to offer in terms of their careers. Many of them succeeding past anything I myself, and the vast majority of men, can hope to achieve. But I think it's fair to question the price at which it comes.
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    Critical Condition does not oppose incentives like the ones I proposed - it's simply a pro-family policy. Whoever is a nationalist first and does not prioritize feminist or liberal concerns instead can not be against such measures in principle. If you oppose such incentives, then it's doubtful you care much for Germanic preservation or perhaps you have no clue as to how it can be achieved. Viktor Orban has them in Hungary, Vlaams Belang proposes incentives in Flanders and even Merkel's C.D.U. suggested them in the form of a living wage for housewives (and I think this law passed and was implemented a few years ago) - something which the German left also calls misogynistic. Just to illustrate there's nothing extreme about this, it is the most normal thing in the world. In my own proposal there's still plenty of room for women studying and working, I never was against that, obviously. There are simply already enough initiatives and laws to support female students as opposed to young mothers, so this is a much needed correction.

    And let's not fool ourselves: on some level we're all breeding machines, men and women alike. It can be an uncomfortable truth for some, but so is death, equally inescapable.

    Neither is C.R. complaining about anything remotely similar to our discussions on Skadi - Skadi is very women-friendly and is known to be so. Indeed, there have been a handful of Skadites who truly viewed women as certified breeding machines, nothing more. But how can it be differently after 15 years and thousands of new members? It's statistically irrelevant.

    The environment on YouTube is radically different: the manosphere is massively present over there (and not all of them are nationalists per se, at all or primarily), as well as every shit poster imaginable. Harsh things are said, motives are questioned. The worst freaks imaginable stalk girls. However, putting motives into question is understandable; what C.R. didn't say, but what I will certainly point out is that a form of distrust can be very justified. There are so many channels on YT which try to ride a new wave as it comes along and rebrand themselves accordingly - hence if a goodlooking woman appears out of nowhere and starts preaching the good news of traditionalism/nationalism, many people, including a woman here or there, wonder whether they're for real or just in it for the fame and money. This is not farfetched - YouTube is a goldmine for such fraudsters - as there's a large audience of desperate rightwing men who will finance the lifestyles of these girls, the kweens of the movement. These fakes have it harder now, as well as the genuine women, as resistance against the phenomenon has grown and more men than ever are aware of the issue. Me myself, I have far too often defended these bad apples, only finding out later how they're complete trad thots (while my female contacts were saying this all along!), simply using rightwing talking points for clicks, so now I'm very careful too.

    Undead Chronic (YT user) embodies this attitude the best with his "If a woman is against feminism, she needs to prove it. Until I see her marching down the street and demanding the dismantling of feminist policies, I don't believe anything."

    It's not women like Laura Towler who are criticized however, and rarely the women who stick to just talking about politics without showcasing their best assets. But those who do reveal them, and perhaps not merely give their opinion about politics, yet also decide to give their opinion on relationships/men/women/the family/feminism/traditionalism/MGTOW/etc. (which are very clickbaity subjects on YouTube), even if they're largely agreeing with the right (which they inevitably do), will always be bashed by a part of their male viewers. Sometimes it isn't even bashing, it's just that every fifth comment will be something along the lines of "Start a traditional family with me, please!"

    I will say that the manosphere backlash itself, the backlash against feminism, is nonetheless 100% justified, deserved and necessary - but unpopular in a feminist society. There are women who get this and those who don't, the latter weren't probably conservative/traditionalist to begin with - or just on their own questionable terms. Some criticism may very well be in order then.

    I'd be very suspicious of what "Happy Girl" wrote in her comment - not the account of what happened according to her, I can understand how that would put anyone off - but her own conservative/Christian credentials and those of her friends (what kind of Christian opposes dogma???). She eagerly slaps a bunch of labels on herself, but it should be evident that she always had feminist tendencies herself despite refusing to call herself a feminist. If anyone is hiding behind virtue, it's her. And as she may not even be a nationalist, what she thinks on a whole range of issues is irrelevant for nationalists - we don't know whether this person is on our side at all. Yet this supposed golden age of harmony between the sexes she speaks of never existed in the dissident right - which leads me to wonder which circles she frequented, I hope she doesn't mistake Sargon of Akkad for the actual dissident right here. Moreover, if she was a genuine conservative/traditionalist she wouldn't have as much issue as she does with the manosphere and its conservative and traditionalist stances. Or maybe she just doesn't know better. The first time women hear anything of the manosphere will nearly always be something negative. It requires personal research to find out the truth. As with all things, most people have neither the time nor the interest to do that and hence their views won't change leading to even more misunderstandings.

    Also super important: happy Girl is in her thirties - and people who are that age - and even more so above 40 - are for the better part simply losing touch with the problems of the youth (so something like let's say inceldom is too far removed from their own experience, how can they even understand?). Look around on Skadi, it's not the twenty to thirty year olds here who I debate in relationship/men/women threads - it's always people who are older. Not at all a coincidence. It's because the youth here, both boys and girls, are much more familiar with the issues I mention and some of my stances, and they know far more nuance as they recognise the problems I portray. And they also desire authentic and pure traditionalism, the hard line Happy Girl opposes (which says everything about her, really), as opposed to a watered down, feminist influenced compromise under the guise of conservatism. And rightly so because it's a rip off.

    What to say of her boyfriend, the poor lad? Well, if his reaction is to quit social media because of toxic masculinity and its truth bombs, then I don't have to illustrate how mentally weak and pathetic he is - and how his girlfriend lords it over him completely. It's laughable. Can't even form his own world view. Stuck on the blue pill plantation. She may feel that he should just be happy getting sex once in a while and he probably feels the same way, hence he puts up with it all. Well, he made his own bed...
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    You're not "proposing incentives", as in proper and functional societal conditions that support family life.

    You, like most others, ignore the little detail of that our countries are being overrun by foreigners and promote, like many others, to "outbreed them". As if that was even an option. It is not. There's an endless supply of like 7billion "poor" people who will continue to flock to Europe or the white diaspora - until WE TAKE BACK CONTROL OF OUR COUNTRIES.

    We wont reach that by promoting LARPy imagery and we wouldnt even reach it even if you would convince all women to "breed for the movement". As if that next generation would mysteriously safe the world, just through ora et labora and being there, while every year several million of that endless supply of "poor" people pour into Europe, rape and pillage, create "no-go zones", found caliphates and will start very soon to bully their way into "independent" cities and regions. Even if that next generation became "miracle knights", by then it will be long too late.

    This "civil war" is long in the making, and it will be a Europe-wide one, and NATO, the US, the Moslems and Jews will side against us. The CIA plans it for 2020 (see Micheal Hayden quote). Given that Europeans currently are so pathetic and apathetic, it may be 2022 before there's any kind of serious backlash, even though we're in war for two years already, until then we will see more mosques erected, more terror attacks and the following bending over backwards in order to not offend them, probably Merkel will be president of the EU Commission by then, having flung open not only the borders of Germany, but of all of Europe, with Frontex running a ferry service to import as much as possible niggers into the mix and several caliphates will have been established and probably the Medinat Weimar, too.

    Yes, continue to ignore that, continue to promote "breeding for the movement" - of which no one is willing to actually fight himself. NOW. Not in 20 years. In 20 years, there will be no more Europe, if we dont start to fight NOW.

    "Incentives" are all fine and good, but many women dont want to bring children into an environment that is systematically hostile to them, where their possible children will have to learn Arabic in order to talk to their class mates, and who most likely will come home one day with a hijab because they've been frightened into converting. Happens in rows already, btw, school kids converting to Islam to stop the bullying or even rape attempts, because without a hijab, they're fair prey already. But the "movement" continues to LARP...

    You want to be a "patriarch"? Get an army and start fighting for our lands and peoples and Europe as a whole. Instead you learn that retarded internet slang in and out and think this was the real world. It is not.

    And indeed you do it again. You talk of women as if they are not "human beings". They have a "role" and "duties" (according to "christian dogma") and if anyone dares to reject that bullshit you sweep them as "feminists", with nothing inbetween, but human beings they are not. Of course not, because in christian dogma they are not. They're made partly of hell, and the other was the rip of the "divine male", this is christian dogma indeed, the woman is the "evil on earth", and accordingly they were treated, and accordingly the dogma of the pseudo-traditionalists goes, too.

    How about learning to view women first as human beings, then as partners and friends, as family, and only then as potential mothers? In terms of valuing them, how you approach them. As long as you beat them down with your patriarchy hammer and want to press them back into christian anti-female dogma, you will get the same backlach for that nonsense over and over again, and rightly so.
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    In addition to your own contribution, Astragoth said: Higher education does not one bit of good for women and Chlodovech said: If you want your daughter to be marriageable one day, tell her to leave school now and then later he added that he'd let them go to college ...
    Thats because I'm correct. Frankly college doesn't do men much good either.
    The only thing college teaches women is hating white men, feminism and sleeping with negroes.
    Where do you think all these leftist feminist women with the "refugees welcome" signs come from?
    You know the ones that vote for every left wing cause in the universe? Have you ever given
    thought to exactly what women are being taught in college in the first place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    You, like most others, ignore the little detail of that our countries are being overrun by foreigners and promote, like many others, to "outbreed them". As if that was even an option. It is not. There's an endless supply of like 7billion "poor" people who will continue to flock to Europe or the white diaspora - until WE TAKE BACK CONTROL OF OUR COUNTRIES.
    I don't think anyone in the movement has ever proposed simply 'outbreeding' the immigrant populations in are countries is the solution. Surely, any solution to our National survivals will be multifaceted. But I believe some people have difficulties taking in the scope of the failing birth rates. In Norway, for example, the total fertility rate is around 1.7, and a quarter of those births are of immigrant women. Accounting for the Norwegian women who have children with immigrants, that leaves us with a fertility rate around 1.1-1.2. This means that for every generation passing, our numbers are close to halved, as well as every new generation being half the size of the previous one. That means quickly faltering numbers, and a quickly aging population. For every young and healthy man and woman, you have four old grandmas and grandpas.

    The total fertility rate in Germany is around 1.5, and you have an even higher percentage of immigrants among your inhabitants, so I figure the situation is even more dire over there.

    No one is advocating that our women have twelve children, and sacrifice their entire lives to do nothing but breed. We are advocating a sane and stable demographic development. A reinstating of the two-child-per-household norm, with some families having three, and the really enthusiastic ones having four. The fact that this is met with such vicious resistance and outrage really says a lot about how far we have fallen.

    Everyone here knows that there is nowhere near enough popular support for a switch to a Nationalist hegemony in Western Europe. Not by vote, nor by any other means. That is something which lies in the future. How long it may take, we have no way of telling. Our People's might re-awake on a large scale in ten years from now ... a hundred ... or never at all. So we've got to be prepared for the long haul.

    I've seen this talk about imminent civil war as long as I've first visited a Nationalist site, back in 2008. Every year it's going to happen the next year. "Just one more terror attack, or one more year of mass-immigration, and it's gonna blow"... I'm not a betting man, but I feel fairly certain that the situation will be pretty much the same in two years from now, save for the processes currently in motion having progressed slightly further. Building for the future seems like a more reasonable way to go about it, than getting ready for a supposed cataclysmic event, perpetually waiting for us just around the next corner.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    "Incentives" are all fine and good, but many women dont want to bring children into an environment that is systematically hostile to them, where their possible children will have to learn Arabic in order to talk to their class mates, and who most likely will come home one day with a hijab because they've been frightened into converting. Happens in rows already, btw, school kids converting to Islam to stop the bullying or even rape attempts, because without a hijab, they're fair prey already. But the "movement" continues to LARP...
    I can understand this as is fair argument for normie women, whom somehow have become trapped in bad neighborhoods, but actual Nationalist women ..? They should know, as good as any, that the road ahead isn't going to be easy. However, considering the alternative is to lay down and just die off, the answer is really a no-brainer.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    And indeed you do it again. You talk of women as if they are not "human beings". They have a "role" and "duties" (according to "christian dogma") and if anyone dares to reject that bullshit you sweep them as "feminists", with nothing inbetween, but human beings they are not.
    We all have roles and duties - men and women ... young and old. Don't you have any expectations towards your men in regards to what duties to perform and roles to fulfill? If you're attacked by a group of immigrants at night, and another group of German men witness it from the other side of the street, wouldn't you have felt betrayed by them not rushing to your aid and defending you, despite the risk of their own personal detriment? Or if civil war broke out, would you feel equally as much sympathy for the women hiding in their basement as the combat-able men doing the same? Men and women have different predispositions, proficiencies and properties, with their corresponding different sets of duties and roles. I don't see how that makes anyone "less human". It only makes on a part of a larger organism.
    A nation is an organic thing, historically defined.
    A wave of passionate energy which unites past, present and future generations

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