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    Men Now Need More Than Just Money To Be ‘Marriageable’

    Economists have long argued that marriage rates are lower in poorer and less well-educated areas because men in those communities aren’t good financial bets. Without steady incomes, they can’t reliably contribute to a household, so while women might have children with them, they won’t commit to men for life. That’s been the assumption, anyway.

    Fracking booms gave two researchers in the Economics Department at the University of Maryland, College Park, a perfect chance to test the hypothesis. What happens when money pours into a place, enriching the men, specifically, and giving them good jobs? More of them will get married, right?

    As they discovered, to their surprise, the answer is no.

    Melissa S. Kearney and Riley Wilson published their findings in a new paper covered by the Washington Post that concludes, “there is no evidence of an increase in marriage rates. The pattern of results is consistent with positive income effects on births, but no associated increase in marriage.”

    In other words, fracking money made more men dad-material, but it didn’t make them husband-material.

    Though in more conservative parts of the country like Appalachia, infusions of steady jobs for men in the 1970s and 80s led to more marriages and then more children born in wedlock, the Washington Post reports, this time, though fracking-related wealth produced a localized baby boom, there wasn’t a corresponding boom in marriages.

    Kearney tells the Post, “There was a different response this time, and it’s sobering,” adding, “The commitment to childbearing with marriage in the 70s and 80s is just no longer there.”

    The decline in marriage rates in the working class has been going on for long enough now that, in 2012, The New York Times printed a column titled, “Marriage is for rich people. ” It concludes, “Rich men are marrying rich women, creating doubly rich households for them and their children. And the poor are staying poor and alone.” 40 percent of all babies now are born to single moms or to unmarried partners.

    That can be rough on families for numerous reasons. Pooling resources can make many aspects of life easier, from affording a home to being involved at school. Coupling up also helps people stay healthier and live longer, especially men.

    Staying single can be a better bet for women, though, many of whom appreciate having more flexibility in terms of how to structure their personal lives than they did several decades ago. Sociology professor Pepper Schwartz writes, “Women now have choices that allow them to customize the arc of their lives and some of them find that it is best for them to put marriage aside.” Husbands who are “nonworking, noninvolved,” she points out, can be “useless.”

    Schwartz concludes that, now that they generally have economic and cultural freedom, women no longer are willing to settle: “While most women still want marriage, they don’t want it at just any price. They don’t want it if it scuttles their dreams.”

    A lengthy article in Yes! Magazine makes the case that this is both a logical and positive development for women overall. And that assessment seems to be shared by popular recent TV shows ranging from the sweet (CW’s “Gilmore Girls,” whose four-episode epilogue was released in 2016 on Netflix) to the salty (HBO’s “Girls,” which just finished its six-season run). Despite their differences in tone, both shows foreground a version of success for their heroines that has a lot to do with individual fulfillment and little to do with marriage.

    That said, affluent, professional women usually have an easier time being single by choice, and two-parent households, which tend to have more time as well as more money, have been shown to be good for kids. “Children whose mothers are continuously married grow up to make higher incomes at age 40 than children raised at some point by single parents,” reports the Post. “Children with married parents also have more engaged parents, and it’s the engagement that really matters.”

    Given that the Times also finds that “the sharp rise in single-parent families has contributed to sky-high inequality, ” many economists have struggled to figure out how to induce working-class couples to marry. But if a steady income doesn’t make a man marriageable anymore, what does?

    Well, larger religious and cultural expectations can help. But education certainly seems to help most, possibly because it speaks to a person’s long-term job prospects and earning potential.

    Kearney and Wilson say as much in their intro, noting, “non-marital childbearing has become the norm among young mothers and mothers with low levels of education.” And according to the Times, states with high rates of education also tend to produce stable families: In “Minnesota, New Jersey, Massachusetts and Connecticut, at least 51 percent of teenagers are being raised by both biological parents, among the highest rates in the nation.”

    If you want your son to be marriageable one day, tell him to stay in school now.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/17/econ...riageable.html

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    "Men now need more than just money to be marriageable" ... unless they're billionaires. Then all bets are off.

    But otherwise, yes. Expectations have gone up, the group of men which meets the expectations has inevitably shrunk.

    The other side of the coin is: men's expectations have remained the same and less women than ever meet those expectations. What is the most common male complaint about women in our countries? "Women aren't women anymore, they're simply not feminine any longer". And femininity is what is naturally attractive for hetero men.

    Fracking booms gave two researchers in the Economics Department at the University of Maryland, College Park, a perfect chance to test the hypothesis. What happens when money pours into a place, enriching the men, specifically, and giving them good jobs? More of them will get married, right? As they discovered, to their surprise, the answer is no.
    The article discusses just marriage apparently, not other forms of relationships. There are other, more important factors which can explain the decline of the marriage rate.

    If you want your son to be marriageable one day, tell him to stay in school now.
    If you want your daughter to be marriageable one day, tell her to leave school now.
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    Oh dear, this is another of those "Internet article v. Reality" dilemmas, so do we believe the blatherings of a Jewish 'sociology professor' called Pepper Schwartz or our own experiences and observations?

    I seriously don't think that most women have everything worked out with such minute precision as is being suggested and I've been saying for some time that we over-theorise these things. The dating & mating game is not nearly as complicated as the 'experts' are telling us and I'm almost certain that the (((sociologists))) in particular have an agenda.

    If it's strictly marriage we're talking about here then the answer is far simpler than all the socio-economic bunkum I've just read, and is due more to the decline of religion and taboos surrounding unwed mothers etc..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    If you want your daughter to be marriageable one day, tell her to leave school now.
    Weil: dumm f***t gut?

    In very "religious" Afghanistan, the Taliban bomb specifically girl schools with great enthusiasm. I see christians dont differ that much, at least in wish...
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    High school is mandatory in the West and that's a good thing. We're exclusively talking about higher education, of course. No group of women has it harder to find partners than those with some college or uni degree. Women can and want to marry within their own socio-economic class or even a higher class. There are more and more women in the higher strata of society as opposed to less and less men nowadays.

    If the objective is marriage/a long term relationship, then higher education impedes reaching that goal for women. The more a woman studies, the slimmer her chances of finding an eligible husband, the more she internalizes the system's ideology, the more politically correct and feminist she becomes.

    It wouldn't be much of an issue if less women studied - then they would have a pool of available men to marry. Nowadays pretty much everyone, and especially girls, are pushed to go to some college or university.

    The worst possible scenario is a young woman going for a worthless degree which doesn't grant her neiter job prospects or the possibility of marriage. These women are wasting precious time. A liberal arts degree doesn't lend itself to finding meaningful employment nor relationships.

    Christianity has nothing to do with it, as usual - it's a cop out. It's just common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Weil: dumm f***t gut?

    In very "religious" Afghanistan, the Taliban bomb specifically girl schools with great enthusiasm. I see christians dont differ that much, at least in wish...
    Feminist and anti-white communist indoctrination is not education in good faith, and that is what "education" has become now, because (((the enemy))) has marched its way through the institutions in order to purposely destroy our people and our culture. Our beloved young women (and men, for that matter) must be kept free from the influence of these vultures. The enemy's goal has always been to build walls between our men and our women and brainwash us to not procreate. Do you truly believe that we are your enemy? That we seek to keep you stupid? If so, then the (((true enemy's))) mission has succeeded.

    By the way, did you notice that the author of this article is named (((Ester Bloom?))) A well-funded Jewish feminist DEFINING REALITY for us poor goyim. If any of you look at this article and see IDEAS and not BULLETS AIMED AT YOUR BRAIN, you're a fool.
    Most people think as they are trained to think, and most people make a majority.

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    By the way, did you notice that the author of this article is named (((Ester Bloom?))) A well-funded Jewish feminist DEFINING REALITY for us poor goyim. If any of you look at this article and see IDEAS and not BULLETS AIMED AT YOUR BRAIN, you're a fool.
    Yes, Huginn, and I also pointed out that she was quoting another Jewish 'sociologist' named Pepper Schwartz so it's riddled with (((their))) divisive propaganda through and through!

    We have loads of threads in the 'Men, Women, & Relationships' section that are just used by some members for female-bashing and, unwittingly, serve the Jewish agenda. Okay, I'd be lying if I said they weren't interesting but this should always be borne in mind.

    Christianity has nothing to do with it, as usual - it's a cop out. It's just common sense.
    Well, Chlod, I'm afraid that keeping women uneducated and just using them for breeding purposes has always been a central tenet of ultra-religious societies. Truth be told, most of the major religions were probably created with this express goal in mind.

    The so-called ‘patriarchy’ is actually a sign of backwardness and is best left to groups such as Muslims, IMO. The majority of those who advocate it on this forum (and similar ones) are doing so for religious reasons. The more devout Christians they are, the more they believe in male-dominated societies. I respect their views but nobody can fail to see this pattern.

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    Well, Chlod, I'm afraid that keeping women free of jewish propaganda
    Fixed it for you.

    The so-called ‘patriarchy’ is actually a sign of a healthy society
    Fixed that for you too.
    Feminism needs to die if western civilization is going to survive.
    Never mind college destroys women. All it does is turn women into feminists and gets them to
    waste the prime years of their lives.

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    Well you really haven’t fixed anything, Astra.

    We all know that there are far too many university courses out there, a lot of them useless, but campus propaganda makes morons out of males and females alike. I think 75% of today’s students (certainly in the UK) are wasting their time with higher education so to this extent I agree with you, but why specifically target the females?

    It’s because, as one of our more extreme Christian members (..as I'm sure you'd admit ) you think they should start breeding by the age of 20 and see no role for them in the workplace when they could all become housewives. Like I said before, whatever the religion, this is where we always end up!

    Yes, we both agree that militant feminism needs to die – no argument from me on that score! – but for different reasons and I don’t necessarily think this issue breaks down into a binary choice between feminism or a ‘patriarchy’. Unfortunately, the Internet polarises opinions but there has to be a middle ground somewhere and I still recall a time when people formed normal relationships without bringing their political and religious agendas into it.

    I repeat; society as a whole cannot possibly benefit from having 50% of its population wallowing in ignorance. Please, leave this to the Muslims!!!

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    I repeat; society as a whole cannot possibly benefit from having 50% of its population Jewish propaganda. Please, leave this to the Jews!!!
    Fixed it for you. Just what are women being educated in? Higher education does not one bit of good for women.
    Unless you want women educated in how to be feminists that hate white men. Sorry the "haindmaiden hysterics"
    doesn't wash with me.

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