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    For those ridden with a sense of nostalgia for the fully intact birthday-suit, there supposedly are means to reclaim it:
    http://www.restoringforeskin.org/beg...in-restoration
    I had to have a circumcision for medical reasons about 20 years ago.

    My wife said it looked ‘fine’ but I wasn’t overly happy, and in particular with the fact that the skin was about 3mm longer on one side than the other.

    I can therefore vouch for restoration, because by stretching one side of the penile skin (which is very elastic) and not the other I could easily even this up. I just did it manually for maybe 5 minutes a day on average and within 4-6 weeks I’d achieved the desired result.

    I've no idea how long the full job would take but I'd imagine it could be a couple of years or more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Thor
    Approximately 117 newborn babies die of neonatal circumcision in the US yearly. How many die of not being circumcised?
    Source please
    The prepuce is highly vascularized, so it is likely to hemorrhage when cut, and severing the frenular artery is very common. Infants have a miniscule amount of blood in their tiny bodies and can tolerate only about a 20 percent blood loss before hypovolemia, hypovolemic shock, and death. A 4000 gram male newborn has only 11.5oz (340 ml) of total blood volume at birth, 85 ml per kilogram of weight. Blood loss of only 2.3oz, (68 ml), 20% of total blood volume at birth is sufficient to cause hypovolemia. Many newborns, and especially premature infants, weigh much less and a smaller amount of blood loss would be sufficient to trigger hypovolemic shock in those infants. Circumcision of infants, therefore, carries the inherent danger of hypovolemic shock and death.

    This is one reason that so many clamps are used on the amputation site when the prepuce organ is removed during circumcision surgery - to stop the 'bleeders.' It is also the reason these clamps are left in place at least 5 minutes after cutting is complete (as horrifically painful as this is for a newborn who cannot be put under general anesthesia at this stage in life). The penile clamping is an attempt to prevent this new little baby from hemorrhaging to death. As much as we'd like to prevent all infant death, healthy babies were simply not designed to have functioning organs cut from their body at birth, and consequences are much more common than some U.S. parents are led to believe.

    {...}

    Fourth, hospitals are quick to cover up 'mistakes,' while a pro-cutting U.S. culture continues to propagate myths about how common morbidity and mortality due to circumcision are. Parents rarely talk openly about their son's death due to circumcision because this would mean admitting an unnecessary cosmetic amputation surgery killed their child.

    Finally, it is almost unheard of for an attorney to take a wrongful death due to circumcision case because infants are simply not valued in our society and the pay-out for a short, undervalued life would be negligible.

    Because of all of this, the circle of ignorance continues regarding death from circumcision.

    So just how many boys die each year as a result of MGM in the United States? We really don't know for certain. U.S. statistical analysis studies conducted on death from circumcision are drastically under-reported because hospitals are not required to log death due to genital cutting surgery. Genital amputation (circumcision) that causes heart attack, hemorrhage, coma, seizure, stroke, or infection may be coded inappropriately as 'SIDS' or 'heart failure' or 'seizure,' for example, but not specifically due to the bodily trauma experienced as a result of circumcision.

    Still, these studies have found approximately 230 baby boys die each year in the U.S. as a result of circumcision surgery. (1) Another study published last week found at least 117 boys die annually from circumcision surgery as it is reported by hospitals. (2) We're not alone in our estimation that there are likely at least twice as many deaths due to circumcision, because of our non-structured and easy-to-cover-up means of infant mortality reporting. But if we are only looking at research-based documentation, we find an average 174 boys die each year with the documented cause being circumcision surgery.
    http://www.drmomma.org/2010/05/death...cumcision.html


    And before the unnecessary mutilation went to hospitals, it looked like this
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    At the age of 16, I had problems with minor infections because the foreskin was so tight I could not keep everything clean. Erections were painful too. A surgeon took care of the problem and partially removed the foreskin by stitching on an annular bandage like device. The device fell off in 3 days. The so-called circumcision was complete. No scars left, there was very little pain during the procedure.
    Females should not discuss male circumcisions, they don't know much about penises, they don't have one.

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    How about you stop willfully mixing up "standard mutilation of infants" with somehow necessary operations due to ACTUAL issues?
    These are not the same. Not even remotely.

    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    Females should not discuss male circumcisions, they don't know much about penises, they don't have one.
    Okay, then dont talk about pregnancies or abortions, because you dont have an uterus.
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    If it were a matter of "hygiene" as some people claim, then Europe (where circumcision is virtually unheard of, except among Jewish or Muslim minorities) would be the world capital in supposedly related infections. Yet it is not. The solution is quite simple: soap and water. All "civilized countries" use them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    Circumcision is a no-brainer.........

    The Pros and Cons of circumcision

    I CARE!


    On the plus side, circumcised infants are less likely to develop urinary tract infections (UTIs), especially in the first year of life. UTIs are about 10 times more common in uncircumcised males than circumcised infants. However, even with this increased risk of UTI, only 1% or less of uncircumcised males will be affected.
    Circumcised men also might be at lower risk for penile cancer, although the disease is rare in both circumcised and uncircumcised males. Some studies indicate that the procedure might offer an additional line of defense against sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) like HIV in heterosexual men.
    Penile problems, such as irritation, inflammation, and infection, are more common in uncircumcised males. It's easier to keep a circumcised penis clean, although uncircumcised boys can learn how to clean beneath the foreskin once they're older.
    Some people claim that circumcision lessens the sensitivity of the tip of the penis, decreasing sexual pleasure later in life. But none of these subjective findings are conclusive.

    Who cares about the procedure being a Jewish thing.............
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    I can totally confirm that what Schwab says is true (with my entire data set of Just ME). My mother's father (I was born in Granddad's home) forbade my mother to have me cut for his VERY anti-religious reasons (and we'll just leave it at that), but after decades of doing everything I could to procreate as often and as vigorously as possible, well, some damage had occurred for which a partial turtle-necking was the answer. I'm still opposed to infant cutting, but as a grown-up, y'know, it becomes a different issue.

    I should add, by the way, that with millions of fewer nerve cells, uhh, "down there" some beneficial effects have manifested themselves at certain times. Don't make me explain further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winkelried View Post
    If it were a matter of "hygiene" as some people claim, then Europe (where circumcision is virtually unheard of, except among Jewish or Muslim minorities) would be the world capital in supposedly related infections. Yet it is not. The solution is quite simple: soap and water. All "civilized countries" use them.
    Pretty much, this.

    The reason circumcision is so common in countries like the US is because it's forced on infants who cannot consent. I have a hunch that if circumcision were made a teenager or adult choice, there would be far less males so eager to get themselves cut.

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