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    SS Veteran Reviews 'Saving Private Ryan'

    German WWII Vet Reviews 'Saving Private Ryan'

    Dear Mr. Spielberg:

    Permit me, a twice wounded veteran of the Waffen-SS, and participant in three campaigns (Battle of the Bulge, Hungary and Austria) to comment on your picture, "Saving Private Ryan."

    Having read many of the accolades of this undoubtedly successful and, shall we say, "impressive," film, I hope you don't mind some criticism from both a German and a German-American point of view.

    Apart from the carnage immediately at the beginning of the story, during the invasion at Omaha Beach, whereon I cannot comment because I was not there; many of the battle scenes seemed unreal.

    You made some commendable efforts to provide authenticity through the use of several pieces of original-looking German equipment, for instance, the Schützenpanzerwagen (SPW), the MG 42s, and the Kettenkrad.

    And, while the appearance of German infantry soldiers of the regular Army in the Normandy bunkers was not well depicted, the Waffen SS in the street fighting at the end of the film were quite properly outfitted.

    My comment about the unreality of the battle scenes has to do with the fact that the Waffen-SS would not have acted as you depicted them in "Private Ryan."

    While it was a common sight in battle to see both American and Russian infantry congregate around their tanks when approaching our lines, this rarely if ever occurred with the Waffen-SS.

    (The first Americans I saw during the Battle of the Bulge were about a dozen dead GIs bunched around a burned-out, self-propelled, tracked howitzer.)

    Furthermore, almost all the German soldiers seen in "Private Ryan" had their heads shaved, or wore closely cropped hair, something totally in conflict with reality. Perhaps you were confusing, in your mind, German soldiers with Russians of the time.

    Or else, your Jewishness came to the fore, and you wanted to draw a direct line back from today's skinheads to the Waffen-SS and other German soldiers of the Third Reich.

    Also, for my unit you should have used 18 or 19-year old boys instead of older guys. The average age, including general officers of the heroic Hitlerjugend division at Caen, was 19 years!

    The scene where the GI shows his Jewish "Star of David" medallion to German POWs and tells them: "Ich Jude, ich Jude!" is so outrageous as to be funny.

    I can tell you what German soldiers would have said to each other if such an incident had actually ever occurred: "That guy is nuts!"

    You don't seem to know that for the average German soldier of World War II, of whatever unit, the race, color or "religion" of the enemy didn't matter at all. He didn't know and he didn't care.

    Furthermore, you committed a serious error in judgment when, in the opening scenes of "Private Ryan" you had the camera pan from the lone grave with the Jewish star to all the Christian crosses in the cemetery.

    I know what you wanted to say but I am sure that I was not the only one who immediately thereafter glanced over all the other hundreds of crosses one could see, to discover whether somewhere else was another Star of David.

    And you know the answer. In fact, you generated exactly the opposite effect of what you had intended. Your use of that scene makes a lie out of the claim now put forth by Jewish organizations that during World War II Jews volunteered for service in numbers greater than their percentage of the general population, and that their blood sacrifice was (therefore) higher also.

    I visited the large Luxembourg military cemetery where General Patton is buried and counted the Jewish stars on the gravestones. I was shocked by their absence.

    After World War I, some German Jewish leaders mounted the same ruse: They claimed then and still do to this day that, "12,000 Jews gave their lives for the Fatherland," which would also have made their general participation higher, which it was not. But perhaps the "12,000" figure is intended as a symbol denoting, "from our point of view, we did enough."

    During World War II, as now, about a quarter of the American population considered itself German-American. Knowing the patriotic fervor German-Americans harbor for America, we can be certain that their numbers in the Armed Forces were equal or higher than their percentage of the population.

    Yet in "Saving Private Ryan" there was not one single German name to be heard or seen among the Americans.

    Did you forget Nimitz, Arnold, Spaatz or even Eisenhower? Well, perhaps Capt. Miller from Pennsylvania was a German whose name had been anglicized. In omitting the American Germans you seem to have taken a cue from the White House at whose contemporary state dinners rarely someone with a German name can be found.

    Well, maybe someone thinks that the abundance of German sounding names such as Goldberg, Rosenthal, Silverstein and Spielberg satisfies the need for "German-American" representation.

    My final comment concerns the depictions of the shooting of German POWs immediately after a fire fight. A perusal of American World War II literature indicates that such incidents were much more common than is generally admitted, and more often than not, such transgressions against the laws of war and chivalry are often or usually excused, "because the GIs got mad at the Germans who had just killed one of their dearest comrades".

    In other words, the anger and the war crime following it was both understandable and, ipso facto excusable. In "Private Ryan" you seem to agree with this stance since you permit only one of the soldiers, namely, the acknowledged coward, to say that one does not shoot enemy soldiers who had put down their arms.

    As a former German soldier I can assure you that among us we did not have this, what I would call, un-Aryan mindset.

    I remember well, when in January of 1945 we sat together with ten captured Americans after a fierce battle, and the GIs were genuinely surprised that we treated them almost as buddies, without rancor.

    If you want to know why, I can tell you. We had not suffered from years of anti-enemy hate propaganda, as was the case with American and British soldiers whose basic sense of chivalry had often (but not always) been dulled by watching too many anti-German war movies usually made by your brethren.

    (For your information: I never saw even one anti-American war movie-- there were no more Jewish directors at the UFA studios.)

    Sincerely,

    Hans Schmidt

    P.O. Box 11124

    Pensacola, Florida 32524-1124

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    A cheesy patriotic war movie isn't approved of by a German real-life soldier? Well, blow me down.

    Seriously though, that turd of a film has rightly been criticized rather harshly by Germans, Americans and Jews alike since its release. Too bad many critics at the time were so enamored by the initial 15 minutes that they just had to declare the whole thing a work of earth-shattering genius.

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    Interesting ... I can imagine if German WWII vets felt more open to saying their piece about those times , that we would start to erode the endless decades of nonsense biased propaganda that is to be honest "normal and typical" about the scene after a war when the loser is so taken over by the winner..


    As the ABBA song goes "the winner taks it all ... the loser has to fall" (was that written by the female ABBA member whos's mother had to flee into Sweden after WWII ... I wonder)




    It's odd how since learning more I've wondered if this song was less about some love affair and more about history! (I suppose I am just projecting into this LOL and it appears that it was the redder haired one who had he German father LOL)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenrune View Post
    Interesting ... I can imagine if German WWII vets felt more open to saying their piece about those times , that we would start to erode the endless decades of nonsense biased propaganda that is to be honest "normal and typical" about the scene after a war when the loser is so taken over by the winner..


    As the ABBA song goes "the winner taks it all ... the loser has to fall" (was that written by the female ABBA member whos's mother had to flee into Sweden after WWII ... I wonder)




    It's odd how since learning more I've wondered if this song was less about some love affair and more about history! (I suppose I am just projecting into this LOL and it appears that it was the redder haired one who had he German father LOL)
    Given the times she heard the story of how her childhood was I imagine it would have an effect on her.
    One time she was thrown into a lake as a girl by a man who wanted to see "if the little witch would float."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astragoth View Post
    Given the times she heard the story of how her childhood was I imagine it would have an effect on her.
    One time she was thrown into a lake as a girl by a man who wanted to see "if the little witch would float."
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    It's an example of all the enormous anti-German backlash after WWII (even against anyone who had nothing to do with the war at all) that had been legally covered over by various nations including the Czech republic which legally covered over any violence against ethnic Germanic people after the war .

    Now , I suppose this kind of thing (knowing "human nature" which is full of biases and ignorance throughout history) is to be honest, expected after a wartime scenario .... but it is still biased and tainted by whoever gains the power at the end. But our current social order over 70 years later still will not acknowledge this at all. Our social oder would just rather do the easy and cowardly thing and watch another cheap Hollywood WWII film to make us feel like heroes.

    The violent and cruel backlash against Germanic people who lived in lands for centuries who were forced to flee for their safety was something I never was told about at all . I just discovered all of this after doing my own research . (this may have been the largest forced expulsion with violence against any people in known human history but it is not mentioned at all in any school or "History Channel" show (LOL ... not expecting much from the "Hitler Channel" really). The numbers of the millions of Germanic people who died during this time is of course disputed with upholders of the status quo lowering the figure to lessen it's importance.

    In my opinion, the number of Germanic peoples who died during this time far exceeds any number of Jewish people who died of typhus during the WWII era (and of course far exceeds the fraudulent claims of supposed intentional mass genocide by Germany against the 6 million Jews and 5 million others which is all based on Jewish and Communist lies taken up by the status quo story of the winners).


    Well, the winners write and edit the history and as ABBA said ... they take it all and the losers have to fall (true for relationships and also wars and "official history" apparently )


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    Regarding the original post however, I remember a vid of some German soldiers in a tank museum that was interesting (especially regarding the idea of rape ... which they said was entirely out of the question!)





    note at around 1:04 ....

    "to be exact , not against the Russians but against Bolshevism"

    "we defended our country against it and more importantly, all of Europe".

    "if we hadn't stopped it, it would have reached your country and France too"


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    .... " Rape - the Russians did that...

    "it's something you always hear but the Wehrmacht didn't do that"

    Wow ... what he says .... truth that is not said or heard in our modern world!


    Notice how he says "MORE IMPORTANTLY!" all of Europe! Wow ... what a thing to hear that this man says it was more important to safeguard Europe then even Germany!

    And now what have all these suck-ups to Globalism done (Macron, Merkel, Churchill, etc ... and the last handful of fraudulent US Presidents, etc) ... the exact opposite. Oddly enough Russia seems to be on a better footing with Putin so maybe they will be some kind of bulwark against the corruption that has overcome the western world.

    This kind of statement is just so mind boggling .... it makes me hate all of this fake BS propaganda that has been spewed out for over 70 years even more.

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    Compared to Fury, Saving Private Ryan is a top-notch historical documentary, though.


    Gets especially ridiculous beginning at 20:00, Brad Pitt standing outside an immobilised Sherman mowing down wave after wave of Waffen-SS soldiers just running into his fire like lemmings.


    Or this scene, four Shermans moving at snails pace towards a concealed German AT battery, which is incapable of hitting them properly or at all from a few hundred metres and is ridiculously slow, while the Shermans manage to take them out on the move, with the first few shots.

    "Man kann sich heute nicht in Gesellschaft um Deutschland bemühen; man muss es einsam tun wie ein Mensch, der mit seinem Buschmesser im Urwald Bresche schlägt und den nur die Hoffnung erhält, dass irgendwo im Dickicht andere an der gleichen Arbeit sind." - Ernst Jünger

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    It could be worse. it could be "Band of Brothers" thats was so filled with propaganda I wanted to vomit.

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