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    Facebook Bans White Nationalism and White Separatism

    After a civil rights backlash, Facebook will now treat white nationalism and separatism the same as white supremacy, and will direct users who try to post that content to a nonprofit that helps people leave hate groups.

    In a major policy shift for the world’s biggest social media network, Facebook banned white nationalism and white separatism on its platform Tuesday. Facebook will also begin directing users who try to post content associated with those ideologies to a nonprofit that helps people leave hate groups, Motherboard has learned.

    The new policy, which will be officially implemented next week, highlights the malleable nature of Facebook’s policies, which govern the speech of more than 2 billion users worldwide. And Facebook still has to effectively enforce the policies if it is really going to diminish hate speech on its platform. The policy will apply to both Facebook and Instagram.

    Last year, a Motherboard investigation found that, though Facebook banned “white supremacy” on its platform, it explicitly allowed “white nationalism” and “white separatism.” After backlash from civil rights groups and historians who say there is no difference between the ideologies, Facebook has decided to ban all three, two members of Facebook’s content policy team said.

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    Specifically, Facebook will now ban content that includes explicit praise, support, or representation of white nationalism or separatism. Phrases such as “I am a proud white nationalist” and “Immigration is tearing this country apart; white separatism is the only answer” will now be banned, according to the company. Implicit and coded white nationalism and white separatism will not be banned immediately, in part because the company said it’s harder to detect and remove.

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    Fishman said that users who search for or try to post white nationalism, white separatism, or white supremacist content will begin getting a popup that will redirect to the website for Life After Hate, a nonprofit founded by ex-white supremacists that is dedicated to getting people to leave hate groups.

    “If people are exploring this movement, we want to connect them with folks that will be able to provide support offline,” Fishman said. “This is the kind of work that we think is part of a comprehensive program to take this sort of movement on.”

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    Experts say that white nationalism and white separatism movements are different from other separatist movements such as the Basque separatist movement in France and Spain and Black separatist movements worldwide because of the long history of white supremacism that has been used to subjugate and dehumanize people of color in the United States and around the world.
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    Always "progressing." I wonder how long it will take them to "progress" toward the ultimate goal, which is our extinction? We need our own platforms, funded by our own people... not an anti-white communist site run by some Jewish millennial with yellow fever whose rise was funded by the Rothschild cartel.
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    This "backlash" is no backlash at all. It's just Facebook tightening the screws on free speech.

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    The point behind the tightening of free speech wasn't originally Facebook. Back around 2010 it was possible to say virtually anything: As long as it wasn't outright illegal activity, you could say it.

    Much of what happened then was fostered by especially European governments asking for more incisions against Free Speech, threatening Facebook if it didn't comply. It's the same thing now: A knee jerk reaction based upon the threats to sue Facebook over the Christchurch video being shared over a million times.

    In this particular case I don't buy "HoM"'s "Jewish communist" narrative. Yes, Mr. Zuckerberg is of Jewish extraction, and yes, he's never made a secret about the fact that he favours left-wing views. At the same time, I think he's just power- and money-hungry and doesn't want the legal hassle. So the fact he's ideologically from the "opposition side" means that we can't expect him to be steadfast against it, of course; but the implementation of fresh "deletion centres" always costs him a hefty sum of money, too, which is why IMHO it took so long before they started coming out the ground like mushrooms.

    Facebook's overcensorship is backlashing against it though anyway. People are leaving Facebook in drones, and those that aren't are more or less there because everyone else is and they want to reach out to people there, too. But TBH, amongst the bigger social networks even mainstream political discussion has long shifted to Twitter, and actual new registrations at Facebook are mainly the boomer generation.

    MySpace's downfall was helped by its arbitrary censorship. The same will happen with Facebook, eventually.
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    Everytime they do this they just piss off more white people.

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    This is the obvious outcome of a society (at least in the US) where others hold you responsible for what they think you think, rather than what you actually think.

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    Everytime they do this they just piss off more white people.
    True, but at this rate there'll be nowhere left for us to express how pissed off we are!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonPagan View Post
    True, but at this rate there'll be nowhere left for us to express how pissed off we are!
    Sure there is. The one and only venue which ultimately matters, The asphalt, concrete and cobblestones of the public sphere. The ejection from internet-based hideouts may just help bringing these people out into the real World.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonPagan View Post
    True, but at this rate there'll be nowhere left for us to express how pissed off we are!
    Good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    Sure there is. The one and only venue which ultimately matters, The asphalt, concrete and cobblestones of the public sphere. The ejection from internet-based hideouts may just help bringing these people out into the real World.
    As much as there's nothing like real, tangible, street activism - in a time when people's first movement in the morning is checking their social media instead of brushing their teeth, it IS an asset when it's available to you.

    Out leafletting on the roads you'll meet hundreds of people, most of whom will throw your material away without reading. With the assistance of the internet, a banner you put somewhere that was removed after ten minutes can still reach hundreds of thousands and you can even advertise it to fence-sitters and like-minded.

    Every political and metapolitical movement knows this, and they use these channels to the same effect. So, not being able to use them whilst your opponent does IS a disadvantage, nonetheless.

    That being said, I'm not very partial to WN per se, but I somehow doubt it'll be restricted to that. Let enough leftists concertedly flag any random preservationist content often enough and the minimum-wage person in the deletion centre somewhere in the Philippines WILL remove it.
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