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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminus View Post
    The source was nonetheless Stevenson, although the site narrative seems exaggerated.

    Wikipedia's constantly being revised.
    Stevenson may be the Primary_source The website is the secondary source I got it from. Did you check the primary source yourself? The website says: "He published the case, from which all information here is drawn, in his 2003 book European Cases of the Reincarnation Type." That does not sound as an exact quote. It seems to be retold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminus View Post
    I'll grant that Sagan was a humanistic type at least. Also, a cursory glance at his book shows that he doesn't explicitly reference Ian Stevenson's work.
    "Stevenson’s work attracted an eclectic mix of enthusiasts. Carl Sagan said past-life memories like those collected by Stevenson and his colleagues “deserved serious study,”" https://themorningnews.org/article/t...tion-lock-test

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisjqb View Post
    Stevenson may be the Primary_source The website is the secondary source I got it from. Did you check the primary source yourself? The website says: "He published the case, from which all information here is drawn, in his 2003 book European Cases of the Reincarnation Type." That does not sound as an exact quote. It seems to be retold.
    Of course.

    Some interesting things came up, such as the fact that David's actual father was a Jew (Solomon Rosenberg). Peculiarly, neither his biological nor foster father are mentioned on the site.

    He and his mother were also interviewed by BBC, although David is said to have been disturbed and stressed by it.

    Both Susan and David withheld information from both Stevenson and BBC: Susan had two daughters. Neither daughters were available for interview.

    There seem to be several inconsistencies with David's story, such as David never describing to his mother what the people in the camps wore, but telling BBC that the people wore "stripey things".

    It's not out of the question that people will lie for a moment of publicity/fame. I don't at all doubt David's case, but it's plausible that he had made some concessions to the mainstream narrative, perhaps at the behest of his mother. David's political/religious orientation should have been established first.

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    As for Koivisto, the summary provided by Stevenson is sufficient.

    "One of Lusa's great-great grandmothers was a Jew." A fact conveniently omitted from the site.

    "Lusa had two dreams at least one of which we could regard as an announcing dream." Stevenson was pretty generous.

    "He spoke sentences when he was about 2, but did not speak fluently until he was 3. At about that age he surprised his mother by describing in considerable detail what it was like to be in a concentration camp and put to death with gas there. (Teuvo did not use the phrase "concentration camp," but his statements undoubtedly referred to one.)"

    Sounds like we missed a modern day Jesus, heralded by a dream and amazing his mother when he was barely a child (was he a child prodigy?).

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