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    Shooting in Utrecht

    Utrecht shooting: 'One dead' as man opens fire in tram

    A gunman has opened fire inside a tram in the Dutch city of Utrecht, killing one person and injuring several others, reports say.

    The area in the west of the city has been cordoned off by authorities, and emergency services are at the scene.

    Authorities said the gunman is still at large. Police have asked people to stay away from the area and schools to keep their doors closed.

    They say they are investigating a "possible terrorist motive".

    The Dutch anti-terrorism co-ordinator is in touch with local authorities and says the threat level has been temporarily raised to its highest point in Utrecht.

    Prime Minister Mark Rutte said he was "deeply concerned" and cancelled his weekly coalition talks.

    The shooting took place around the 24 Oktoberplein junction at about 10:45 local time (09:45 GMT). Three helicopters have been despatched.

    Security services have reportedly told Utrecht's University Medical Centre to open the dedicated emergency ward to help care for the injured.

    "A man started shooting wildly," one eyewitness told Dutch news site NU.nl.

    Another witness told Dutch public broadcaster NOS he saw an injured woman with blood on her hands and clothes.

    "I brought her into my car and helped her," he said. "When the police arrived, she was unconscious."

    It is unknown how many were injured or how seriously they were hurt.

    Utrecht's transport authority said some tram services were again running in the city, although warned travellers to "take into account additional travel time".

    Dutch PM Mark Rutte has commented on the shooting, stating that the government is holding crisis talks following the incident.

    An eyewitness told RTV that he saw four men shoot a woman in the square and then fled the scene in different directions.

    According to local journalists, police are still searching for the perpetrator.


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    Confirmed: it was a terror attack and the shooter is a Turk: Gökman Tanis (37). In the last few days Erdogan made a big stink about the terror attack in NZ, because Tarrant is very anti-Turkish in his manifest and even spoke of reconquering "Constantinople" - maybe that's the explanation for what happened: a Turk wanting to "avenge" Christchurch.



    Curiously, there's little information available, we don't even know how many victims there are officially (unofficially it's one dead and four seriously wounded tram passengers) but several police actions are still going on across Utrecht.

    Reports also say four men rushed towards a woman at the time of the shooting, grabbed her while she screamed "I've done nothing wrong" - then there was shooting - the men dropped the woman... picked her up again - only to let go of her again when there was more shooting.

    UPDATE: there are three dead and nine wounded.
    UPDATE 2: we know a bit more about the shooter. He comes from a strict, religious family, he's also a suspect in a rape case and he appeared accidently on a TV show once in 2011, in which he insulted a Dutch journalist for the way she was dressed, talking about how he could see her butt and he called her a "democrat" as she was walking in the streets, interviewing people.
    UPDATE 3: before the shooting Tanis carjacked "a red car" and later also fled in the vehicle.
    UPDATE 4: he was already known by the police for threatening a cop and burglary.
    UPDATE 5: Tanis yelled allahu akbar during the attack.
    UPDATE 6: a message written on paper was attached to the car the shooter used during the terror attack, a woman the Dutch state TV interviewed read some of it but refuses to disclose what she read. I'll leave it to everyone's imagination as to what is written on there and why she refuses to say it.
    UPDATE 7: there are many reasons to think the violence is an islamist terror attack according to the government, but maybe it was an honor murder involving the sister-in-law of Tanis. They don't fully exclude that possibility but don't think in that direction. Maybe it's both, because what kind of honor killing ever ends in mass murder in broad daylight in Europe?
    UPDATE 8: A guy with the same name as Tanris fought in Chechnya, but another guy with his name was responsible for another shooting in Utrecht from a few years ago, also related to honor murders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    UPDATE 8: A guy with the same name as Tanris fought in Chechnya, but another guy with his name was also responsible for a shooting in Utrecht also related to honor murders.
    According to the NOS it could have been his brother. Also that Tanris and his family are members of the Kalifaatstaat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    Confirmed: it was a terror attack and the shooter is a Turk: Gökman Tanis (37). In the last few days Erdogan made a big stink about the terror attack in NZ, because Tarrant is very anti-Turkish in his manifest and even spoke of reconquering "Constantinople" - maybe that's the explanation for what happened: a Turk wanting to "avenge" Christchurch.
    .....
    I wonder how all the politicians and pundits that condemned the NZ-attack so blatantly, will deal with this attack now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theunissen View Post
    I wonder how all the politicians and pundits that condemned the NZ-attack so blatantly, will deal with this attack now?
    Since only white people are evil, and being murderers is just the natural culture of third world scum (and therefore not to be criticized,) they will grab guns from white people. Because we have no organized political defense. Because that would be "racist." And "racism" is illegal.


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    The MSM are already blaming the shooting on a confused man and junkie and claim there's nothing more to see here - it doesn't explain the many casualties nor the guy screaming "allahu akbar" but the MSM seem to have made their mind up on the narrative - it was not a terror attack to them, I suppose the authorities will say the same thing. Other questions obviously remain. Like what was the message the shooter left attached to his car? The guy is indeed a known troublemaker though, guilty of all the things I mentioned in the updates.

    All in all, the whole thing reminds me of what's been going on in Europe in the last few years, when violent attacks against the public were accompanied by Muslims screaming "allahu akbar" according to witnesses, these things looked like terrorism, but then the authorities & media said we got it all wrong and the violence was just the work of "a confused man" with no political motive for his actions.

    The four people carrying a woman were tram passengers who tried to remove her body from the rails, as the tram had stopped due to an obstacle on the rails - she and a man who was with her were the first victims of Tanis - a crowd then gathered around the dead or dying woman and that's when the shooter struck again, firing rounds into the group of onlookers.

    The prime minister is now criticized too because he implied there had been a terror attack in his address to the nation - it's why I called the shooting a terror attack in the first place yesterday, figuring the PM would know what he was talking about. But maybe he was.
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    The NOS reports the investigation has revealed no connection between Tanris and his victims. But the authorities are now seriously considering that it could have been a terrorist attack after studying what was written on the letter that was found in the car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GroeneWolf View Post
    The NOS reports the investigation has revealed no connection between Tanris and his victims. But the authorities are now seriously considering that it could have been a terrorist attack after studying what was written on the letter that was found in the car.
    But the left influenced mainstream media in the Netherlands will deny everything linked to Islam. So it won’t be marked as a terrorist attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilhem View Post
    But the left influenced mainstream media in the Netherlands will deny everything linked to Islam. So it won’t be marked as a terrorist attack.
    The matter is not even an item anymore in the international press and has not been for the last few days. At the same time NOS gave us a glimpse of the truth, as mentioned by GW, the online edition of the papers in my country still stuck firmly to the "psycho" narrative. The story already disappeared into the memory hole.
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