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    The footage isn't HD quality of course. And neither was the footage I've seen of the shooting - but something that I found a little odd at the time of seeing the shooting for the first time yet explained away, was how you can see someone ( a vague black shape), one of the Muslims present at the mosue, crawl out of the prayer room "into the wall" when Tarrant entered if for the second or third time and shooting survivors. Tarrant didn't notice this person nor shoot at him, even though he was shooting people lying on the ground next to this figure. I did notice, but I had to pause the video and rewind it to make sure.

    What to make of that? What I thought at the time was that maybe the wall of the prayer room is really just a glass wall, a large window - which was damaged and broke due to the gunfire. And that this person, this crawling human form, was wounded and escaping through a hole in the window on all fours, perhaps partially covered by semi-transparant curtains, making his shape appear vague in the video. And that this is how he managed to get outside, in the open air. This may be the case. But remembering what I saw very clearly, I can only say that if the prayer room wall is a solid wall, the footage of the shooting can not be completely real - then the crawling figure is CGI. So that's something to be on the look out for - we should find out the details about the structure of the prayer room and what its walls were made of.
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    At 07:19 in the video, it is clearly visible that a person crawls/jumps out of a window on the side of the prayer room. No CGI or magic funny-business involved. The reason he is not shot after, is because a larger group of people in the corner are doing the exact same thing - trying to flee through a window. So they become a primary target, and the aforementioned man manages to escape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    At 07:19 in the video, it is clearly visible that a person crawls/jumps out of a window on the side of the prayer room. No CGI or magic funny-business involved. The reason he is not shot after, is because a larger group of people in the corner are doing the exact same thing - trying to flee through a window. So they become a primary target, and the aforementioned man manages to escape.
    I didn't see anything clearly, but I didn't download to torrent to see the best available quality footage - yet jumping can't have been the case since all of this happened on ground level, unless of course it didn't, that's why it would be nice to look at a lay out of the structure.

    The reason he is not shot after, is because a larger group of people in the corner are doing the exact same thing - trying to flee through a window.
    I saw them huddled together in a corner, most pretending to play dead. Hardly anyone moved, except for the crawling figure. He was the only one trying to escape the room this way during this particular shot.

    Ben Shapiro's opinion on the shooting was annoying as hell. He's as liberal as the liberals when it suits him, and a Jewish supremacist when it doesn't. His ideology has killed more whites and Muslims than any "white supremacist" ever did, but he still uses the opportunity to bash "white supremacy", hence he's doing what he blames AOC for, namely political recuperation.



    Hmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    I didn't see anything clearly, but I didn't download to torrent to see the best available quality footage - yet jumping can't have been the case since all of this happened on ground level, unless of course it didn't, that's why it would be nice to look at a lay out of the structure.
    Sure you can jump while on ground level. Goalkeepers do it all the time. I read the goalkeeper for the New Zealand National futsal team was killed in the attack. Perhaps this guy was the reserve.

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    I saw them huddled together in a corner, most pretending to play dead. Hardly anyone moved, except for the crawling figure. He was the only one trying to escape the room this way during this particular shot.
    It's not easy to spot, but there does seem to be people moving in the corner at the same point in time (on the left hand side in the prayer room, when coming in from the entrance hall), which makes sense, since he hadn't let loose many shots in that direction previously. At 11:25, during his last entry into the prayer room, you can clearly see one person lying half-way through (or in) the window, showing signs of an attempted escape out of the building, most likely shot while this other man escaped through the side window.
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    I didn't download the footage, I can't rewatch it anymore, maybe one guy tried to follow the example of the crawler, probably afterwards, not sure. Knowing there's indeed a body lying half outside, half inside the prayer room, makes me just more eager to find out what the mosque looks like. I only saw the 8:30 version of the video anyway.

    Another thing: when he's firing in the prayer room, the shooter once in a while returns to the hallway, probably to reload, but before he does so he always looks behind his back to and when does he sees people scurry away, these people are not in the main prayer room but in rooms adjecent to it and you can see them through the doorless passage - I think this happens every single time he turns around - not saying that it's staged because of that... these Muslims may very well have been hiding until that very moment when they decided to get up and run - but it's a little odd that in combination with this fact you don't see him hit any of the runners despite firing at them. You see none of them tumble or fall. One of these "runners" makes it to the main entrance door actually, Tarrant fires at this figure right as he wants to open the door - but then quickly turns around before you can see the impact of his volley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    Another thing: when he's firing in the prayer room, the shooter once in a while returns to the hallway, probably to reload, but before he does so he always looks behind his back to and when does he sees people scurry away, these people are not in the main prayer room but in rooms adjecent to it and you can see them through the doorless passage - I think this happens every single time he turns around - not saying that it's staged because of that... these Muslims may very well have been hiding until that very moment when they decided to get up and run - but it's a little odd that in combination with this fact you don't see him hit any of the runners despite firing at them. You see none of them tumble or fall. One of these "runners" makes it to the main entrance door actually, Tarrant fires at this figure right as he wants to open the door - but then quickly turns around before you can see the impact of his volley.
    He does kill one of the people running for the entrance door. At his first entry, when he opens the spree with his shotgun, there's only one man lying dead in the entrance (on his back, feet pointing towards the outdoors). And when he leaves the mosque for the last time, there is one more man lying in the entrance (on his stomach, feet pointing into the mosque).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    He does kill one of the people running for the entrance door. At his first entry, when he opens the spree with his shotgun, there's only one man lying dead in the entrance (on his back, feet pointing towards the outdoors). And when he leaves the mosque for the last time, there is one more man lying in the entrance (on his stomach, feet pointing into the mosque).
    Okay, but that also happens in the part of the video I haven't seen. I can't make statements about that.
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    Oh, look, the video has been taken down...for our safety, no doubt...

    This also serves as a great way to test their control over information and ability to hunt down specific posters and content. You know, so we don't get bad thoughts or believe wrong things...
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    Christian Living In A Muslim County ‘143 Times More Likely’ to Be Killed By A Muslim Than Vice Versa


    Terrorist attacks against Muslims in the Western world are extremely rare. This morning’s carnage in two mosques in New Zealand, with the death toll currently at 50, is the first major event of its kind since the Quebec City mosque shooting—over two years ago – which killed six persons.



    (As for the alleged “Islamophobic incidents” in general, overwhelmingly they are either unverifiable or too trivial to be taken seriously.)


    While 56 dead in two years is 56 too many, this regrettable incident will dominate the headlines infinitely more than any comparable carnage involving Christians,notably the 2017 Palm Sunday church bombings in Alexandria; it killed 45 people, and was all but ignored by the Western media and politicians. The developing frenzy of compassion with the victims of Christchurch will result in a number of mathematically predictable consequences:



    • The ruling elites and their media cohorts all over the Western world will have a field day equating “violent extremism” (which has nothing to do with “true Islam,” of course) with the neo-nazi, right-wing, white, Christian-inspired racism, xenophobia, Islamophobia, and all other traits of the deplorables; and yes, it will be Trump’s fault to boot.




    • Various Islamic activist in the West, such as the sharia-promoting CAIR in the U.S. and its fellow-conspirators elsewhere, will clamor for ever more stringent laws criminalizing “Islamophobia,” effectively defined as any form of meaningful debate of Islam, its scriptural message, historical practice, and current ambitions.




    • Such demands will be promptly translated into legislative proposals by the jihadophile liberal class which will proclaim zero tolerance of “Islamophobia” as defined by CAIR et al. And, of course, they will demand additional Soviet/Nazi style gun laws.


    Six years ago in these pages I defined jihadophilia as a mental disorder affecting members of the Western (including Anglo-Antipodean) elite class, which is characterized by a breakdown of the ability to name Muslims as perpetrators of the acts of Islamic terrorism, by the tendency to systematically ignore Islam as a factor in terrorist attacks or to deny its relevance in such attacks, and by an acute deficit of the capacity or will to provide appropriate institutional or legal responses to such attacks. This psychosis, hard to cure ab initio, will be let loose now like never before.


    For starters, there will be no attempt to place today’s killings “in perspective,” as is invariably the case after Muslim terrorists strike Western targets—in Nice, Paris, Berlin etc.—killing hundreds of people. That “perspective” should include the fact that some 30 million Muslims reside in the Western world today (many more on their own reckoning), which makes the probability of any one of them falling victim to a deplorable attack in any given year roughly one in ten million.


    These odds may be higher than being eaten by a great white shark, but they compare rather favorably with the probability of a Frenchman being killed by a Muslim fanatic. Be patient, dear reader; let us recoup with precision, lest we be accused of inflammatory rhetoric:


    • 7-9 January 2015: Charlie Hebdo attacks kill 22 people.




    • 26 June 2015: In Saint-Quentin-Fallavier, a Muslim decapitated a Frenchman and rammed a van into cylinders at a gas factory trying to start an explosion.




    • 13-14 November 2015: The horrendous Paris attacks killed 137 people in the single deadliest terrorist outrage in French history




    • 13 June 2016: At Magnanville, a policeman and his wife were murdered by a jihadist.




    • 14 July 2016: A truck was driven into crowds celebrating Bastille Day in Nice. The driver, Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, killed 86 people.




    • 26 July 2016: In Normandy two jihadists attacked a church during mass, killing an 86-year-old priest.




    • 1 October 2017: A Muslim stabbed to death two young women at a Marseille train station. Before he was shot dead he shouted Allahu Akbar.




    • 23 March 2018: A Muslim stole a car in Carcassonne, killing the passenger, went to Trčbes, attacked a supermarket, killed three people and injured several others.




    • 12 May 2018: A Chechen-born “Frenchman” stabbed to death one pedestrian and injured several others near the Garnier Opera in Paris.




    • 11 December 2018: In Strasbourg a gunman opened fire just outside the Christmas Market, killing 5 and injuring 11.


    That makes 261 dead and many more injured, in attacks by Muslims on non-Muslims, in less than four years, in only one country, France (pop. 66 million). With 66 dead a year on average, Frenchmen are exactly ten times more likely to be murdered by a Muslim than a Muslim being killed by a non-Muslim terrorist anywhere in the Western world.


    The score is incomparably worse if we look at the situation of Christians in the Muslim world. It is the most egregious example of human right violations in today’s world: according to “Open Doors,” at least 4,305 Christians known by name were murdered by Muslims because of their faith in 2018. Aid to the Church in Need, in its latest “Religious Freedom Report,” warned that 300 million Christians, overwhelmingly in the majority-Muslim countries, were subjected to violence, making it “the most persecuted religion in the world.”


    This makes the odds of a Christian in a majority-Muslim country being murdered by a Muslim—simply for being what he is—approximately one in 70,000. This means a Christian living in a majority Muslim country is 143 times more likely to be killed by a Muslim for being a Christian than a Muslim is likely to be killed by a non-Muslim in a Western country for being what he is.


    These are some of the facts that need to be taken into account as we face today’s onslaught of massive Agitprop and self-hatred inducement from every screen and every printed page in every Western country. The victims and their families in New Zealand deserve sympathy. So do the victims of jihadism, which is the most murderous ideology in human history, incomparably more lethal than Bolshevism and National Socialism combined. That cannot and will not happen for as long as the people whose faces you’ll see on TV today, and their bosses, control the discourse.


    A very strong medicine is needed to cure the ailment. Jihadophilia’s behavioral consequences invariably lead to chronic morbidities, such as the advocacy of native European and European-descended population replacement by the unassimilable—in Europe’s case overwhelmingly Muslim—immigrant communities. Psychotherapy and vocational and social rehabilitation are ineffective. Involuntary hospitalization will be necessary when the social and political conditions make long-overdue effective treatment methods possible, probably a decade or two from now.




    Christian Living In A Muslim County ‘143 Times More Likely’ to Be Killed By A Muslim Than Vice Versa
    18 Mar 2019.


    Christian Living In A Muslim County ‘143 Times More Likely’ to Be Killed By A Muslim Than Vice Versa - do facts speak for themselves or not. Who threatens who then?


    MSM shuns 'free speech' and debate giving them a totalitarian monopoly on information.

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    Christian Living In A Muslim County ‘143 Times More Likely’ to Be Killed By A Muslim Than Vice Versa
    Yes, and it's the same with black-on-White crime which is far more prevalent than White-on-black.

    Look, here's Diane Abbott claiming that she lives in fear of being raped by White men Can someone tell me the last time a White man raped a Negress in the UK because I honestly don't recall a single case of this ever happening!!!

    Diane Abbott fears she will be raped or murdered by trolls and extremists



    What planet is she on

    (..please, don't say 'Planet of the Apes', it's too obvious )

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