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    Prehistoric Warfare and the Origins of Conflict



    I find the culture of war highly engrossing, as, in the words of the Flemish priest Cyriel Verschaeve, "war is the highest form of cultural expression". Which is very true. It's an important aspect of our nature, spirit and activities. Without conflict and especially its purest and rawest form, that of war, there would be no truly great art. Life and art would be bland and sterile.

    From prehistory until at least the early middle ages war was at least partially ritualistic - and it could be argued it remained that way until the operetta wars of the 18th century, which were fashion shows and saw opposing generals exchanging gifts, including a full breakfast, prior to doing battle.

    And war and violence, or the threat thereof, are the primal forces shaping history, as well as the reason for societal stability, even if achieved through a period of instability.
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    Trey the Explainer is a very good channel. I've been a subscriber for a long time. And watched all his vids.

    The guy nails it in every video. Such as why giants never really existed. Or destroying all the cryptozoologists with proof and reason!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    I find the culture of war highly engrossing, as, in the words of the Flemish priest Cyriel Verschaeve, "war is the highest form of cultural expression". Which is very true. It's an important aspect of our nature, spirit and activities. Without conflict and especially its purest and rawest form, that of war, there would be no truly great art. Life and art would be bland and sterile.
    War itself is not cultural, it's merely a prelude to cultural blossoming, often a necessary means to an end. Where is the honor in gunning down people like ants from high above the sky? All aerial conflict is terror bombing, no matter how you look at it. On a side note, Hitler's remarks on the design of blimps not being adapted on nature is very sound if one considers how many disasters have occurred (i.e. Zeppelin). I think tank warfare epitomizes human nature better and can really be considered the pinnacle of combat.

    The socialist ideal can theoretically be realized without the Darwinist conflict and bloodshed, although such a peace effected without violence will be an extremely rare phenomenon considering what type of human beings run this world (Matthew 6:19). War is just one of many possible means of deterring stagnation. There are more than one ways for Earth (which the ancients considered to be an animal) to shake off it's poisons (man is ultimately bacteria hitching a ride on an organism). Consider the cosmic events described by Plato and monopolized by Christian prophets.
    Humans forget that revolution happens more than once and it doesn't end with one instance of renewal. There's a thin line of god's supervision and direct involvement throughout history. By paying homage to this thread and building on the foundation it laid, a world war can be potentially averted. The Copernicans represent one strain, Luther represents another. The Bavarian Illuminati also meets the qualifications.

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    And war and violence, or the threat thereof, are the primal forces shaping history, as well as the reason for societal stability, even if achieved through a period of instability.
    This tendency is only natural among the animals. In human society, this way of life was established by the Catholic Church's intolerance and can be rendered obsolete by eliminating the conditions that allow parasitism to exist. That's what distinguishes Hitler from the other great anti-Semites. Although he wished to expel Jews from Germany as soon as possible, he also conducted himself in a very generous manner. Jews were encouraged to leave and many of them left of their own accord. One way of eliminating parasitism among the human community is by preparing an atmosphere for a vegetarian diet, without compulsion (since such a diet is not suited for everyone i.e. the Dalai Lama).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminus
    War itself is not cultural, it's merely a prelude to cultural blossoming, often a necessary means to an end.
    Martin van Creveld, generally seen as the world's primary authority on military history, dedictated an entire, unique book to the matter. You find the culture of war in the world's military traditions, in the monuments we erect and documentaries on TV, in the rules of war, in battle dress throughout the ages and even militaria collectors and strategy gamers are partaking in the culture of war. War and the military are part of the broader culture.

    Where is the honor in gunning down people like ants from high above the sky? All aerial conflict is terror bombing, no matter how you look at it
    None. But the only war crime is losing, ultimately.

    War is just one of many possible means of deterring stagnation.
    Maybe, but I'm not thinking of socio-economic of cultural stagnation but Hobbesian stability.

    This tendency is only natural among the animals. In human society, this way of life was established by the Catholic Church's intolerance and can be rendered obsolete by eliminating the conditions that allow parasitism to exist.
    That's utopianism. There's never going to be peace and harmony and there never was. There was no shortage of wars before the birth of Christ either.
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