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    The Duke was a badass both in the movies and real life, he left his imprint on America and the world and he will be immortal via his films.

    The looney left despises the Duke because he called out their bullshit and crazy ideas with common sense and macho character that women want and young men want to be like.
    Life is like a fire hydrant- sometimes you help people put out their fires, but most of the time you just get peed on by every dog in the neighborhood.

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    I prefer to think of John Wayne as just another opportunistic individual with both good and bad qualities, much the same as anyone else.

    "Wayne was full of contradictions. Although the star of countless Westerns such as John Ford’s 1939 “Stagecoach” and 1953’s “Hondo” owned a ranch, the Duke “didn’t particularly like horses and preferred suits and tuxedos to chaps, jeans and boots,” according to his son, Michael Wayne. The prototypical cowpoke also favored the sea over the prairie.

    Although he often was paired on screen with Irish redhead
    Maureen O’Hara, Wayne’s three marriages were all to Latinas. According to San Antonio-born actress Karen Kramer, who’d worked with Duke in 1954’s “The High and the Mighty,” while Wayne was shooting “The Alamo” near her hometown, he asked Kramer to accompany third wife Pilar when she shopped there. “She was Hispanic, you know,” Kramer said in an interview. “Texas was very reactionary and Duke was afraid she’d be maligned” unless the blond actress rode shotgun for Mrs. Wayne.

    While many of his contemporaries, including Henry Fonda, Clark Gable and Ronald Reagan, served in the armed forces during World War II, the lead in such wartime sagas as 1945’s “They Were Expendable,” 1948’s “Fort Apache” and 1968’s “The Green Berets” did not. Wayne was not only missing in action during the 1940s’ liberation of the Philippines and Europe, he wasn’t a cavalry officer, a Vietnam commando or a Leatherneck — flying or otherwise — for he was never in the military.

    Wayne was, in reality, a draft dodger. America’s archetypal soldier was in fact a chicken hawk. He was a cheerleader and champion of militaristic patriotism and combat he had never experienced. Wayne had “other priorities” during WWII — achieving superstardom (and saving his neck) was more important than defeating fascism. Much like Vice President Dick Cheney, who sought numerous deferments during the Vietnam War, Wayne was the quintessential war wimp.

    According to Pilar Wayne, her husband “would become a ‘superpatriot’ for the rest of his life trying to atone for staying home” during WWII. Like Wayne, the current crop of GOP chicken hawks are great actors, overcompensating for their previous patriotic failings (draft dodging, etc.) by sounding the jingoistic battle cry for a new generation of working-class sons and daughters to go to war. Or, as George W. Bush did in a priceless moment of Hollywood flourish, dressing up in a flight suit to declare a failing and deadly war in Iraq a “mission accomplished.”"

    Believe what you will. Faux or real, I liked the manly image the "Duke" maintained onscreen.



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    John Wayne was fairly typical of the politics of the day. The left has moved the goal posts so far that anyone remotely sane
    is considered a nazi.

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    J. W. Den fresse ich auf, ich habe Hunger!
    J. W. I'll eat that, I'm hungry!
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    Correct translation would be I'll eat him

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    Correct translation would be I'll eat him
    Or you? That would be the right translation?
    Last edited by Blod og Jord; 1 Week Ago at 03:10 AM. Reason: non-English content.
    Wenn einmal ein deutsches Strafgericht hereinbrechen wird über diese ganze, Deutschland hassende Gesellschaft, dann haben sie es zehnfach verdient. Wir hoffen auf diesen Tag des deutschen Gerichts. Aus: Kampf um die Macht / Aufsätze von 1921-1932 (Seite 55)
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    My Dad was a big John Wayne fan.

    I grew up on his films

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    On a pedantic note: wouldn't 'that' & 'him' both be correct?

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    I learned English watching cowboy movies in the sixties.

    Concerning the translation, he was referring to JW, a masculine person, which cannot be a "that"

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    Ah, gotcha!

    I actually thought that was a quote from JW.

    Do you see what I mean when you look at it again?

    J. W. Den fresse ich auf, ich habe Hunger!
    J. W. I'll eat that, I'm hungry!

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    I get you........
    He should have elaborated what he meant...........
    The guy is hard to read.
    I guess I have to close "meine Klappe" LOL!

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