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    Aging = entropy progressing geometrically

    I have high cholesterol already and it sucks. The naughty treats I used to really enjoy are becoming rather grey these days but I do not think that I will ever have my 'fill', as the song goes, even though I keep doing it 'my way'.

    (Hey, did you like that? Ok, I will leave that one in then... :p)

    Apparently I look very much younger than I am, and I am not unhappy about that, but I worry about actually getting older. I want to stay young and adaptable.

    I already know that I have missed various boats and that sucks.

    I think that staying young whilst getting older is a good thing to aim for.

    Getting older and staying young means that you can help the next generation do the same thing, and be a good example to them.

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    There is a chapter in Primitive Mythology called The Impact of Old Age..

    vi. The Impact of Old Age

    Death is foreshadowed by the first signals of old age, which
    appear even today too soon for pleasure. How much sooner in the
    primitive past! When the woman of forty-five was a hag and the
    warrior of fifty an arthritic cripple, when, moreover, disease and
    the accidents of the hunt and of battle were everyone's immediate
    experience, Death was a mighty presence who had to be faced
    boldly even within the safest sanctuary, and whose force had to
    be assimilated.

    ...

    It is not in the writings of Sigmund Freud but in those of Carl
    Jung that the most profound analytical consideration has recently
    been given to the problem confronting all men throughout the long
    last portion of the human cycle of life: that, namely, of the ir-
    resistible approach of King Death. "A human being," Jung once
    wrote,

    would certainly not grow to be seventy or eighty years old if
    this longevity had no meaning for the species to which he be-
    longs. The afternoon of human life must have a significance
    of its own and cannot be merely a pitiful appendage to life's
    morning. The significance of the morning undoubtedly lies in
    the development of the individual, our entrenchment in the
    outer world, the propagation of our kind and the care of our
    children. But when this purpose has been attained and even
    more than attained shall the earning of money, the extension
    of conquests, and the expansion of life go steadily on beyond
    the bounds of all reason and sense? Whoever carries over into
    the afternoon the law of the morning that is, the aims of
    nature must pay for so doing with damage to his soul just
    as surely as a growing youth who tries to salvage his childish
    egoism must pay for this mistake with social failure. Money-
    making, social existence, family and posterity are nothing but
    plain nature not culture. Culture lies beyond the purpose of
    nature. Could by any chance culture be the meaning and pur-
    pose of the second half of life?

    In primitive tribes, we observe that the old people are al-
    most always the guardians of the mysteries and the laws, and
    it is in these that the cultural heritage of the tribe is ex-
    pressed."

    "As a physician I am convinced that it is hygienic," Jung de-
    clares elsewhere, with an apology for employing such a clinical
    term with reference to religion, "to discover in death a goal toward
    which one can strive; and that shrinking away from it is something
    unhealthy and abnormal which robs the second half of life of its
    purpose. I therefore consider the religious teaching of a life here-
    after consonant with the standpoint of psychic hygiene. When I
    live in a house that I know will fall about my head within the
    next two weeks, all my vital functions will be impaired by this
    thought; but if, on the contrary, I feel myself to be safe, I can
    dwell there in a normal and comfortable way. From the staijd-
    point of psychotherapy it would therefore be desirable to think of
    death as only a transition one part of a life-process whose
    extent and duration escape our knowledge." And in fact, as Dr.
    Jung then notes and all of us well know, "a large majority of
    people have from time immemorial felt the need of believing in a
    continuance of life. In spite of the fact that by far the larger part
    of mankind does not know why the body needs salt, everyone
    demands it none the less because of an instinctive compulsion. It
    is the same in things of the psyche. The demands of therapy,
    therefore, do not lead us into any bypaths, but down the middle of
    the roadway trodden by humankind. And therefore we are thinking
    correctly with respect to the meaning of life, even though we do
    not understand what we think." 10

    Observations such as these have earned for Dr. Jung the reputa-
    tion of being a mystic though actually they are no more mystical
    than the recommendation of a hobby to a mind becoming ossified
    in its office task would be. Jung has here simply said that in the
    afternoon of life the symbolism of King Death does in fact conduce
    to a progressive inclination of the energies of the psyche, and hence
    to maturity. Nor does he think it necessary, or even possible, to
    "understand" the ultimate secret of the force of such symbolic
    forms. For, as he asks,

    Do we ever understand what we think? We understand only
    such thinking as is a mere equation and from which nothing
    comes out but what we have put in. That is the manner of
    working of the intellect. But beyond that there is a thinking
    in primordial images in symbols that are older than historical
    man; which have been ingrained in him from earliest times,
    and, eternally living, outlasting all generations, still make up
    the groundwork of the human psyche. It is possible to live the
    fullest life only when we are in harmony with these symbols;
    wisdom is a return to them. It is a question neither of belief
    nor knowledge, but of the agreement of our thinking with
    the primordial images of the unconscious. They are the source
    of all our conscious thoughts, and one of these primordial
    images is the idea of life after death. 101
    Later,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Lyfing View Post
    Its something that will happen to everyone of us, if it hasn't already. I find pros and cons to aging, the biggest con would of coarse be death. I am wondering for the older ones, how have you handled aging? Do you think of death more at a later age? For the younger crowd...can you imagine yourself at 50?

    What age would you like to live to see?

    I`m forty six now. But forty six now isn`t the same as even my mum`s generation. Her generation were expected to behave `old` when they reached thirty-ish...short neat hair, mumsy, you know? Respectable.

    And whilst I AM respectable I refuse to let society dictate how I should look, act and feel to a certain extent. For one thing, I`m generally fitter at my age than a lot of my mum`s generation, most of whom chain smoked, drank and didn`t really exercise.
    Of course you can feel the betrayal of your body as you grow older...I work harder at it to keep my weight stable (at five foot and eight and half stone I feel a peedie bit overweight and am working on losing a few pounds) and of course I don`t have the same energy I had at eighteen when I would work a days work, go out to a dance in the evening, spend a night poaching and get two hours sleep to be back at work in the morning!
    I like six hours sleep now but being an insomniac don`t achieve that, my biggest bugbear.
    I do think of death being closer, have to admit. But what that`s done is to make me appreciate my life even more. Death is inevitable, why worry?
    "The skein of my life, the day of my death, was woven long ago "
    so as long as I do what I can to prevent death, to the best of my ability...by diet, exercise (which is also often my work, which is labour intensive) and a healthy lifestyle, then at fifty I hope to be trundling along much as I am now.
    Obviously, one of the key things in ageing in healthy individuals is the loss of youthful looks, also being discussed elsewhere I believe.
    Since I`m too poor..and too squeamish plus not that fussed really...to go under the surgeons knife, I have to make the best of what I have.
    I`m a fairly plain looking woman, I wouldn`t say ugly but nobody is going to turn around twice to look at me.
    Which is fine by me, what you never had you don`t miss, so the older I get the less I worry about the loss of looks. Instead I concentrate on health, aiming for clean and glowing skin (even with wrinkles! ), clear eyes and shining hair.
    In the end, we`ll all get old, and with more older folks living now than ever before, maybe we should be considering what impact that`ll have on society, and look at the attitude towards elders now, for pointers as to how we may be treated by society in the future.

    I have goals, more so now than I did when younger, because youth makes you think you have all the time in the world, it gives a false sense of immortality sometimes.
    One of those goals is to be as self sufficient as possible for as long as possible, which means I won`t retire from work, and will always continue, for as long as I can, to be physically active and fit.
    Age, well, it`s a double edged sword. On the one hand, you become more relaxed in many things, your mindset changes and different priorities take effect....life seems to become more `real`, if that makes sense, though I`m not saying life isn`t real for younger folks!
    Och, rambling, sorry, tsk...

    But also, you do become more aware of your mortality and yes, at times, in the dark of the night or if you lose a friend or another older relative..well...that shiver of anticipation running up your spine can take on the stamp of Death`s foreboding footprint.

    Oh, ps...On how long I`d like to live, well, really, I`d love to be immortal. All those movies I love where someones says "Do you wanna live forever?", I`m usually shouting, "YES!"

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    My guru has said that the desire to keep young is the manifestation of the yearning of the soul to become pure.

    The desire for immortality is godly and right, we should seek to live for as long and as healthily as we can.

    I am simply not 'with' the have-fun-while-you-are-still-young excuse which is used to promote destructive behaviours in young people or people of any age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Lyfing View Post
    For the younger crowd...can you imagine yourself at 50?
    Will they have flying cars by then?!

    But naah... 50? I can't even imagine it, there are just too many unknowns before I reach that age. I hope I'll have had a nice family, still be active, and have a nice money pit to roll around in.

    But really, with age I'm more worried about fitting everything in than the actual number I reach. What's the point of living until you're 120 if you don't take any risks? Never leave the town you were born in? I'd rather live life to the full and die contented at 70 (bet the kids will be happy to inherit the money pit )
    I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

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    17 seems like yesterday. The twenties have flew by and left me at almost 27 years old...

    My mom and Aunt went to visit my grandmother's ( who died at 79 ) sister this past Sunday, she is 101 years old. Can you imagine? If I'm only that lucky.

    There was an old women, Mrs. Shetters that lived near me and my husband when we were kids, and man was she ancient then. She is still alive and kicking at 100 years old. She asked me to mow her yard once and while doing so the mower hit a rock which flew toward her front glass door shattering it to pieces. I was 11 or so, she said it was OK! It was an accident! Lucky for me she wasn't one of those grouchy old ladies.

    Aging is unstoppable and I plan to take it with grace. I won't worry about this or that, I will just be happy with everyday that passes and be thankful I am still around.
    "We've become a nation of strangers. There seems to be very little in common to bond us to our fellow Americans outside of our immediate families,some don't even have that to fall back on."

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    Aging is unstoppable and I plan to take it with grace. I won't worry about this or that, I will just be happy with everyday that passes and be thankful I am still around.
    I like that attitude. It really puts things in perspective. Twice I`ve came close to death, both times, my heart packing in on the operating table (It`s a glitch thing with general anaesthesia) and each time afterwards, it sharpens life and reduces priorities to essential things like health, love, family and friends. Shallow things that used to be important to me long ago ceased to be, and if there`s one thing I`d like when I end my days, if there`s time to reflect, it`s to have known that I lived life well.
    (mind you, I read somewhere that Scorpios tend to die violently, but since they no longer allow middle aged women to run screaming at the enemy waving a battleaxe, it`ll probably be an unnoticed oncoming bus or something...tsk...)

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    I had a great nana who died just last year at the age of 96. Before she turned 90 she had still been enthusiastic aboout life and knew that she was going to reach that milestone. After turning 90 it seemed that she almost gave up on living, as she never believed she would reach 100. She suffered numerous strokes and was barely able to talk when she did eventually pass away. When she died we were all very sad but also relieved that her suffering had ended. I think those last few years she wasn't living for the enjoyment it gave her but she was hanging in there for her families sake. The most amazing thing is that by living to that age she has been able to see 9 of her great grand children, being apart of all of their lives in my case until I was 18. Now that's something worth staying alive for
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    How Do You Feel About Ageing?

    How do you feel about ageing? Both females and males, and about both genders...

    Do you find older males or older females less attractive?

    How do you feel about yourself getting older?


    Personally... looking in my own past... I think I took for granted my youth without appreciating it properly. I didn't think highly enough about myself and about my looks, for example, and seeing now older pictures of myself I'm thinking 'How beautiful I was and how stupid I was to think I was not beautiful!'...

    Sometimes I feel older and getting older freaks me out!

    Recently I was looking at videos of female singers I used to like as a child or teenager.. and I also looked at videos of how they look now... What a difference! Personally I find younger females much more attractive... I love their innocent looks, their purity and that hint of childishness. I'm concerned about losing these traits myself... hopefully I won't, but... time will tell. I don't want to get older! I wish to stay young and pretty and cute forever!

    No matter what cosmetics women use, they still age... and it's visible... it's not something you can totally hide. I mean, celebrities, for example, use lots of expensive things to look younger, even cosmetic surgery, and they still don't look like in their 20s anymore!

    Do you find older women less attractive? Well, I do...

    But I find older men more attractive than younger men... so here I think men have an advantage! At least in my opinion...

    Personally I find women in their 20s the most attractive, while I find men in their 30s or 40s the most attractive...

    And I'm a bit scared of ageing... When you grow older together with your loved one you don't think about it (I was not!), but when you suddenly find yourself single... and much older than before the long-lasting relationship you had... it feels a bit weird... and hopeless...

    I suppose there are men who like older women more, but well, personally I don't feel so good about not being in my 20s anymore...

    Women or girls still in your 20s (or even younger), don't take your youth for granted, as you won't have it forever! I wish I was wiser in my 20s... I was much more beautiful and I didn't have enough self confidence about the way I looked... I feel a bit like an old woman now... even though I'm just in my early 30s...

    I suppose a woman in her 40s or 50s or older would laugh at me saying the same about me as I am saying about women in their 20s...

    I was discussing with my grandma a while ago about ageing... and she said that in her 50s, for example, she felt old... but now she thinks she was still so young in her 50s... she wishes she could still be in her 50s now... or at least in her 60s...

    It seems like age is relative, isn't it? Or just a number...

    How do you feel about it yourself? Do you feel old and left behind or do you feel younger than ever?
    Die Farben duften frisch und grün... Lieblich haucht der Wind um mich.

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    I have not yet think ageing much ... I just become adult ... LOL. But yes...it is something everyone will face in their life.

    I think my mom looks fine, but in old photos ... she was even very pretty.

    I guess the ageing issue will worry me more then I'm 25 than today as 20.

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