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    How Do We Know Jesus Was Really Who He Said He Was?

    How do we know Jesus was really who he said he was?


    What evidence is there that Jesus existed? How are we supposed to reconcile conflicting reports? Abdu Murray responds at an open forum at Yale University.
    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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    First century contemporaries never mention Jesus (overwhelming lack of testimony). Blatant interpolations are found in the works of Josephus, Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, Longinus (On The Sublime), and even Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius (2nd century), which suggest that the Church attempted to establish his presence in the first century. Acts of the Apostles and Eusebius are obviously unreliable sources.

    What then?

    Jesus lived before the first century. I believe this was first put forth by clairvoyants, who certainly aren't absolute about their claims, but it's still one which is very much merited.

    There are indications that Jesus' teachings (Golden Rule, Sermon on the Mount) weren't unique, that he had visited the Orient, and that his personality seems to be an amalgam of different individuals (i.e. one aspect of Jesus being that of an agitator who wishes to disrupt the status quo), but as I've previously argued, he demonstrates unprecedented familiarity with the Jewish mentality and was acquainted with the non-Jewish custom of cutting one's right hand off, which would later be interpreted by Hitler as applying to the body politic. Plus there's the testimony about him being the son of a Roman soldier and the fact stands that his rehabilitation as a non-pacifistic, non-suffering, non-gloomy non-Jew is necessary to reform the Christian religion.

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    The problem is that there's about a 30-year gap between his birth and his brief reappearance and what little has been told about him (miracles etc..) is almost certainly invented.

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    Cause I just know Jesus is exactly who He is.

    Some things can't be explained with words that only fall on doubtful ears, so I don't even try.
    Not all in life is at it appears to be.

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    The Mormons claim he was in America...............LOL

    Because he lives, I can face tomorrow...........
    I love that song............

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    Tacitus Annals AD 116:

    Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind.
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    Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired. Nero offered his gardens for the spectacle, and was exhibiting a show in the circus, while he mingled with the people in the dress of a charioteer or stood aloft on a car. Hence, even for criminals who deserved extreme and exemplary punishment, there arose a feeling of compassion; for it was not, as it seemed, for the public good, but to glut one man's cruelty, that they were being destroyed.[13]
    Most modern scholars consider the passage to be authentic. William L. Portier has stated that the consistency in the references by Tacitus, Josephus and the letters to Emperor Trajan by Pliny the Younger reaffirm the validity of all three accounts. Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to be of historical value as an independent Roman source about early Christianity that is in unison with other historical records. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ
    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonPagan View Post
    The problem is that there's about a 30-year gap between his birth and his brief reappearance and what little has been told about him (miracles etc..) is almost certainly invented.
    Joseph of Arimathea who gave his tomb for the burial was a wealthy tin merchant, and may have been the richest man in that part of the world at that time. He made many trips to Britain where he had tin mines. It is possible that Jesus Himself accompanied Joseph on voyages there during His childhood.
    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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    It is possible that Jesus Himself accompanied Joseph on voyages there during His childhood.
    And equally possible that he didn't

    Either way, we don't gain any more of an insight into Jesus as a person before the age of 30.

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    Fake news were not tolerated those days............CNN was not there yet.........LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonPagan View Post
    The problem is that there's about a 30-year gap between his birth and his brief reappearance and what little has been told about him (miracles etc..) is almost certainly invented.
    Jews boast about how their ancestors went into the desert for answers. The NT describes him going up to the mountains to pray alone. That's what the Samaritan described her worship custom as in John 4. The Jews even counted him among the Samaritans, which points to a non-Jewish origin.

    Besides Moses, what other Jewish figure ever climbed a mountain?

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    Tacitus Annals AD 116:
    Suetonius' Chrestus was a Jewish revolutionary agitator/leader, not Christ.

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    The Mormons claim he was in America...............
    A sympathetic author attempted to a similar trick in the book "He Walked the Americas" by invoking the authority of Polynesian Sir Peter Buck. Mr. Buck never explicitly mentions Jesus in his book when he recounts the visitation of a certain healer figure. It's blatant cultural appropriation at best.

    On the other hand, I find it plausible that Jesus may have visited India.

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