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    "1 in 5 Men Aren't The Father"

    That's certainly disturbing.

    Of course, there's a much simpler explanation for this staggering figure, as previous research has shown cuckoo children are 1/100 at most. Namely: dads, or men who thought they were dads at least, who buy a DIY paternity test kit already have a specific reason to doubt whatever their girlfriend or wife said. As such their cases can not be representative for the full picture.



    Thousands of dads are left in shock as DIY paternity tests soar

    Up to 30,000 tests are being performed every year, says Alphabiolabs
    The DNA tests can be carried out with just a simple cheek swab
    20 per cent of men will learn they are not the father of the child they are testing

    Sales of ‘secret’ paternity tests are surging, according to suppliers of DIY home kits.



    The DNA tests, which can be carried out with simple cheek swabs, are leading to growing numbers of men discovering they are not the biological father of children they had been led to believe were theirs.

    AlphaBiolabs, the leading British home test supplier, says up to 30,000 paternity tests are being performed in this country every year – and that the figures are rising by ten per cent per year.

    ‘Of these, around 20 per cent of men will learn they are not the father of the child they are testing,’ says the company’s director, David Thomas. He added that in some regions the figure is higher, including the North East, where it is 30 per cent.

    The explosion in demand for the tests has been fuelled by the ease with which definitive DNA paternity results can now be obtained. For about £99, testing kits which promise 100 per cent accurate next-day results can be bought online.

    Instead of requiring the physical presence at a clinic of both parties being tested, they involve only swabs taken from the inside cheeks of father and child, which are then packaged up and posted to the company.

    As long as the man is named on the child’s birth certificate, or has parental responsibility, no permission is required from either the mother or child, meaning the tests can be carried out in total secrecy.
    More: Daily Mail.
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    I REALLY doubt that number is accurate.

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    When I was on the Family Tree DNA forum years ago I read that it is 1 in 3. 1 in 3 are "non paternal events".


    My father and I had blood tests done years ago and it proved he is my biological father. He still isn't in my life. Doesn't count me as one of his children. He has a son (my half-brother, supposedly) that he dotes on and loves but I don't believe he is my father's biological son. My half-brother looks nothing like my father. He looks like my father's sister's ex-husband. That is who I think his real father is. But I doubt my father would ever get his beloved son DNA tested.

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    One in five children being raised by unknowing cuckolded fathers is probably a gross exaggeration. More reliable studies seems to point at between two and four percent.

    "In addition, using a second method that
    was based on the population genetic traces of a past immigration
    event which happened at the end of the sixteenth century,
    we estimated the EPP rate at around 2%."
    - Belgian study

    "Studies based on populations not being tested for paternity suggested a 3.7% rate, (...)" - One in 25 fathers is not biological parent - study

    Not extremely high, but high enough to be vigilant.

    Here's a list of studies made on the subject, estimated percentage of occurrence noted in the middle column: http://www.childsupportanalysis.co.u....htm#baker1990
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    What a disturbing topic. This happened to a man I know, and he was completely besotted with his infant daughter, and was devastated to later learn that he wasn't her father.

    Quote Originally Posted by elizabeth View Post
    My father and i had blood tests done years ago and it proved he is my biological father. He still isn't in my life. Doesn't count me as one of his children. He has a son (my half-brother, supposedly) that he dotes on and loves but i don't believe he is my father's biological son. My half-brother looks nothing like my father. He looks like my father's sister's ex-husband. That is who i think his real father is. But i doubt my father would ever get his beloved son dna tested.
    I'm so sorry to hear that your father isn't in your life, Elizabeth.
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    Even though I'm at least 90% convinced I have a daughter by what proved to be a far less than virtuous woman who walked out of my life, there is still that nagging 10% doubt in my mind. But I've accepted the fact I'll never really know for sure.
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    In my case there's no doubt my father is my biological father. We look too much alike.
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    Say it ain't so.



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    I think it's clear just from the first 8 posts that nobody has a clue and the figures are pure guesswork.

    I've seen estimates of 1 in 5, 1 in 50, 1 in 25 and now 1 in 10

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonPagan View Post
    I think it's clear just from the first 8 posts that nobody has a clue and the figures are pure guesswork.
    Not really. Different studies are done on different premises and with different methods, so a discrepancy in results is only logical. If you go through the list of studies I posted a link to, you get a little bit clearer picture of the phenomenon. Demography seems to influence the results a lot, and so does the reason for why the subjects were tested in the first place. Judging from the studies of White Westerners, which have used a sound methods and fairly indiscriminatory groups of subjects, the percentage of children raised by men who unknowingly are not their biological father, quite consistently lands at around 2 to 4.

    In Iceland, for instance, around a third of the population has had their genome tested and stored in a genetic databank, in a large-scale genetic program they've got going on. From this information, they've estimated around 1.5% of children are brought up by an unknowingly unbiological father.

    This study (included in the aforementioned link) also seems quite reasonable and trustworthy:
    "Cotterman and Snyder studied the ability to taste phenyl-thiocarbamide among 800 families. Most people find this chemical tastes intensely bitter, but some cannot taste it at all. The ability to taste is inherited as a simple Mendelian dominant. Non-tasters are homozygous for the recessive non-taster allele. Two non-taster parents therefore should not have any taster children. Yet out of 223 children born to such couples, 5 (2.24% of the total) were tasters".
    ".... The full incidence would be higher, because even with cuckoldry not all of the offspring of non-taster women would be tasters.... The value of p in the study population can estimated from the fact that 86 of the 800 families (10.75%) contained two non-taster parents. Since the proportion of non-tasters in the population is q-sq., the proportion of couples in which both partners are non-tasters should be q-to-the-4. This gives a value of about .573 for q and .427 for p. The full incidence of cuckoldry implied by these data is therefore 2.24%/.427 =5.25%."
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