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    Question about Samurai and Aryans...

    Some time ago I read a short article that advanced the idea that the Japanese Samurai had their origins in a group of Aryan folk, the Samaritan/Alani, that moved through China in the past. The Japanese hate the idea but there appeared to be some evidence supporting the theory. Same way the Chinese hate and suppress the history of the Tocharian people. Anybody have any info or ideas for further research?
    I have nothing against the Japanese and admire their accomplishments. I just would like to know the truth...were he Samurai actually of Aryan descent? Many of the 19th century photos show them with different facial features.
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    To make it short: No, there isn't any indication of something like that in either genetics, anthropology, archaeology or linguistics.

    I've never heard of any Samartians/Alans or any other (mostly) Europoid steppe people roaming freely across China. It's about 4.000 kms airline from the Tarim Basin(the nearest place with evidence of the physical presence of Europoids) to the nearest point of Japan and even if they had made the trip, it's entirely inconceivable that they were still even genetically and culturally Europoid/European.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rodulf View Post
    The Japanese hate the idea but there appeared to be some evidence supporting the theory.
    Pretty sure 99,9 % of the Japanese haven't even heard of that theory, just like me, and would probably just laugh about it.

    Same way the Chinese hate and suppress the history of the Tocharian people.
    In what way? That Tocharians/the inhabitants of the Tarim Basin were Europoid, is pretty uncontroversial, even in China. They allowed genetic testing on the Tarim Basin mummies, in any case.
    If anything, they're worried about separatism by the local Uyghurs, who are some strange mixture of those local Europoids and Turkic Mongoloids and who are also mostly Muslim, and try to use the Tarim Basin Mummies for their goals.
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    Theres white blood in the Japanese just look at the way they look. Its probably the Ainu that originally lived
    on Japan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    Pretty sure 99,9 % of the Japanese haven't even heard of that theory, just like me, and would probably just laugh about it.

    If people had never heard of an idea, and they immediately laugh about it, that does not mean there can't be something in the idea. There are many things most people laugh about (or get angry about ... such as requestioning the taught story of WWII or questioning 9/11, etc).


    I've never heard of this idea but it I'd like to search about it.

    I wouldn't be surprised about people being able to travel to Japan. I feel there was a lot of travel going on a long time ago that we aren't told about (Europeans going across to North America well before the Vikings ... some DNA with eastern aboriginals are interesting).

    The Silk Road had trade from the Mediterranean to India and eastern China and even into Indonesia.

    I think there is some evidence that China did have some ships reach the California region in the past too.


    Anyway, he idea is interesting but I know nothing about it (my initial search is getting mostly mainstream typical narrative so I'll have to wade through that)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    To make it short: No, there isn't any indication of something like that in either genetics, anthropology, archaeology or linguistics.

    I've never heard of any Samartians/Alans or any other (mostly) Europoid steppe people roaming freely across China. It's about 4.000 kms airline from the Tarim Basin(the nearest place with evidence of the physical presence of Europoids) to the nearest point of Japan and even if they had made the trip, it's entirely inconceivable that they were still even genetically and culturally Europoid/European.




    Pretty sure 99,9 % of the Japanese haven't even heard of that theory, just like me, and would probably just laugh about it.


    In what way? That Tocharians/the inhabitants of the Tarim Basin were Europoid, is pretty uncontroversial, even in China. They allowed genetic testing on the Tarim Basin mummies, in any case.
    If anything, they're worried about separatism by the local Uyghurs, who are some strange mixture of those local Europoids and Turkic Mongoloids and who are also mostly Muslim, and try to use the Tarim Basin Mummies for their goals.
    The Chinese most certainly DO suppress research into the Tocaharian and other non-Chinese people of that time. They even destroyed some of the mummies. Fact and known. My point would be that there is extremely little known about Aryan people's involvement with ancient Japanese culture and that is because of political correctness. The Ainu origin of Samurai has been kicking around for some time, and, yes, the Japanese are very prejudiced against it.
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    An article you might find interesting.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...=.28f811582d87

    I have a friend who majored in anthropology who said something to me along the lines that white/Nordik-ish features in non-European groups isn't a result of some lost Aryan/Euro migrations, but that these traits (lighter hair/skin, narrow noses, etc.) are just seen as more aesthetically pleasing. In primitive societies, the warlord and his posse get their choice of more than one of the prettiest females, and so reproduce a lot more, have a higher chance for their offspring to survive, and then as nobility/aristocracy starts to become entrenched in the society, their children marry each other and keep the traits in certain clans.

    It's not my theory, I don't know much about anthropology enough to feel justified in stating an opinion, but I suppose it makes sense. He said that's the explanation for the blonde Incas described by the Spanish, the European features of many Japanese, especially of samurai descent, and 19th century colonial belief in the descendants of Ham ruling over the Africans. See Michael F. Robinson's "The Lost White Tribe" for reference to ideas about "white Africans" and also the beliefs from the 18th and 19th centuries about aesthetics/beauty being an exact measurable science.

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    "...............descendants of Ham ruling over the Africans.............."
    During my stay in Algeria in the military, we came across mountainous people with a tan skin, blue eyes and blond hair. No doubt that the Romans intermarried with locals. Where those locals Arabs? Semites? Lost tribes?
    Also a lot has been written about British-Israelism and the lost tribes of Israel.........
    To me, bloodlines have been mixed, remixed many times in the last thousand of years, there is no real accurate telling about accuracy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism

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    Oh, yeah, I wouldn't doubt it. Not sure on the B.I. stuff, but as far as Middle Eastern populations with European features, that's a fact. The Middle East was different before the Arab-Islamic conquest and subsequent slave trade of sub-Saharan Africans that followed. While there's significant African DNA now in the M.E., you come across some blue eyed figures like Bashar al-Assad, or even gingers like Izzat al-Douri and (I think, though I've only seen one colored picture of him) grand mufti Amin al-Husseini. When they talk about North African DNA in parts of western Europe, that's the sort they're likely talking about, from pre-Arab Neolithic times.

    I remember Houston Stewart Chamberlain saying the upper classes of Morocco often had genealogical tables tracing their ancestry back to Vandals, so even blond Nordik traits I guess might not be so surprising in certain places.

    Mind me asking the name of the tribe you encountered, or the area they were from, if you remember?

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