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    They probably learnt it in mass which was often conducted in Latin in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonPagan View Post
    I didn't reply to your post, Chlod, because I assumed it to be satire.
    It's true though, the holy inquisition's obsession with gathering evidence and writing down witness testimony is the basis of the modern judicial process. Historically it played an important role that way. So at least something good came out of it.

    "After the year 1900 people will become unrecognisable. When the time for the Advent of the Antichrist approaches, peoples minds will grow cloudy from carnal passions, and dishonour and lawlessness will grow stronger. Peoples appearances will change, and it will be impossible to distinguish men from women due to there shamelessness in dress and style of hair. These people will be cruel and will be like wild animals because of the temptations of the Antichrist. There will be no respect for parents or elders, love will disappear, and Christian pastors, bishops, and priests will become vain men, completely failing to distinguish the right hand way from the left. At that time the morals and traditions of Christians and the Church will change. People will abandon modesty, and dissipation will reign. Falsehood and greed will attain great proportions, and woe to those who pile up treasures. Lust, adultery, homosexuality, secret deeds and murder will rule in society." - St. Nilus, 430 AD

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Aesthete View Post
    They probably learnt it in mass which was often conducted in Latin in the past.

    If it were the case we would all be speaking some kind of romance today and the reformation would not have had such an impact it had, or perhaps would not have even happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mööv View Post
    If it were the case we would all be speaking some kind of romance today and the reformation would not have had such an impact it had, or perhaps would not have even happened.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/m...year-1.2166508

    Hard to believe, but it is true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Aesthete View Post

    Yes the masses were in latin, but did anyone actually understand any of it?
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    I do not ultimately trust christians or any follower of organized religion and I never will. However I have no issue with them so long as they keep their religion to themselves.

    Notice when christians have no power that they are allowed to practice their religion freely and are left alone. If they had power then you can be sure they would try to force their beliefs onto the rest of us in all aspects of life. As they always have. Inquisitions, witch hunts, and so on. They would want to control everything in all of their zealous fervor. All arguments and discussions would be debated with bible quotes like I see copy pasted on this forum. The disgusting "church" and all of its atrocities from the past would rule over all again. I am glad that era is gone and will never return again.

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    I believe in the separation of church and State. Jesus himself had no political ambitions. Mark 12:17 King James Version (KJV)

    17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marveled at him.

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    When I left my home in Alsace in 1957, my catholic friends were not allowed to read the Bible in their own language, they read it in Latin without understanding

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    I do not ultimately trust christians or any follower of organized religion and I never will. However I have no issue with them so long as they keep their religion to themselves.
    Organised religion makes a lot of folks (at the top) very rich because they are essentially run as businesses. The wealth and power amassed by the Catholic Church during the period being discussed here was quite obscene!

    Sadly, as with all products, there is a constant need for paying customers so it has to be promoted or the public will go somewhere else. The CC once had the market to itself and was utterly ruthless in enforcing its monopoly for several centuries, but ultimately its clients came to realise that the goods were substandard

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    Saudi women activists on trial after a year in detention

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