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    It looks so beautiful (like Valyrian steel but Damascus steel is real life).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire spirit View Post
    It looks so beautiful (like Valyrian steel but Damascus steel is real life).
    I'm pretty sure they got the idea for Valyrian from Damascus.

    True Damascus steel is actually cast and left to cool in a crucible, or so theory says. What people call Damascus today is actually Pattern Welded steel. The technique for pattern welding was perfected in Europe during the Germanic Migration period probably by the Franks. The Japanese also used pattern welding some 500 years after it was invented in Europe. There is much debate about which is better Japanese or European, and so far from the test I seen the Japanese Samurai swords is a mere play thing compared to a European broadsword.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave View Post
    There is much debate about which is better Japanese or European, and so far from the test I seen the Japanese Samurai swords is a mere play thing compared to a European broadsword.
    Based on quality of steel or as weapon as a sword?

    It is good to keep in minds...Japaneses had many different length of ''katanas'' plus some slightly bit more curve than others. Normal one (size/length) was practical as you can throw it quickly from waist case ... using only one hand. It was sword to be able react fast.

    But for example Nodachi/Odachi....no men could do the same (humans arms are too short). But if it is already outside and skillfull hands ....



    Sorry...via martial arts ...I'm interesting exactly this part of Japanese culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    Based on quality of steel or as weapon as a sword?
    Both, it is two totally different styles of weapons and fighting. My opinion the European steel was better based on the iron ore available..the Japanese had to refine their base steels much more. The Japanese swords get better media attention via through Hollywood movies and the mystique woven about the.

    Keep in mind I'm a little biased in this topic, as I put my own people first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave View Post
    Both, it is two totally different styles of weapons and fighting. My opinion the European steel was better based on the iron ore available..the Japanese had to refine their base steels much more. The Japanese swords get better media attention via through Hollywood movies and the mystique woven about the.

    Keep in mind I'm a little biased in this topic, as I put my own people first.
    Like this?


    But yes....different type of use, like you said. If anything ... European swords had much better hand covers.
    What about Arabic sabres?

    Anyway .... I guess it is not huge surprise that exactly Africans did't have any kind of steel. LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    Like this?
    Yes, if you mean by the Hollywood, influence. Another good example of Hollywood magic is the movie "Kill Bill".

    But yes....different type of use, like you said. If anything ... European swords had much better hand covers.
    In Europe since Roman times at least there was plate armor and chain mail to contend with. Most migration period swords have a small handguard compared to later times. To me European swords were for chopping and thrusting, while the Japanese swords are for slicing.
    What about Arabic sabres?
    I have never studied Arabic swords other than the video I posted above and a little reading about them, I guess my interest has always been in Germanic weapons.

    Anyway .... I guess it is not huge surprise that exactly Africans did't have any kind of steel. LOL.
    Well giving credit were credit is due, Africans did smelt iron ore into wrought iron, but not carbon steel.
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