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    War, What Is It Good For?

    I would be interested to hear the views of forum members on the issue of war and in particular whether they would actively participate in a war initiated by the government of the country in which they are a citizen of? Under what circumstances would you co-operate with any efforts to conscript your services either in a military or non-military function?

    It would only be fair to disclose to you that in my case the issue is entirely hypothetical as I am too old but the vast majority of you are not. If I was a young man I would refuse to participate in any war initiated by the government of the United Kingdom and would refuse to serve in any capacity whatsoever.

    What would you do? For those who are too old to fight what would you do if you were still young? Please give your reasoning!

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    effective propaganda


    WW1:

    The Bayonet Baby Effect | antzml


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    25/02/2011 · The Bayonet Baby Effect At the beginning of the WW1 (1914), the British press were reporting that Germans were tossing Belgian babies into the air and catching them with their bayonets like the Norman Lindsay described in his picture, The Bulletin (see Pictography reference). Arthur Ponsonby (op cit.) reveals that same story and a .




    WW2:

    Afterwards -
    Children during the Holocaust | The Holocaust Encyclopedia

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    The Germans and their collaborators killed children for these ideological reasons and in retaliation for real or alleged partisan attacks. The Germans and their collaborators killed as …
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    For jewish bankers and globalists to rearrange Europe to their liking and the establishment of Israel.


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    I was a conscript, back then I likely would have gone and fight if ordered to. Today I only would fight to defend myself, my family or friends.
    When men cease to fight — they cease to be — Men.
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    I think the main reason for the existence of unnecessary wars is economics... It's all about the money, honey.

    Eight Main Causes of War


    1. Economic Gain
    2. Territorial Gain
    3. Religion
    4. Nationalism
    5. Revenge
    6. Civil War
    7. Revolutionary War
    8. Defensive War


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    Aside from an ever increasing number of mortals who have willfully chosen to worship Satan and his minions, our battle has always been against the powers and principalities operating surreptitiously throughout this twisted world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    I was a conscript, back then I likely would have gone and fight if ordered to. Today I only would fight to defend myself, my family or friends.
    I suppose that if it was a war of entirely self-defence, ie to prevent an invasion I might have thought differently although not if nuclear weapons were used. In the case of wars that are initiated then as Jagdmesser has rightly pointed out one is fighting for Israel, for ZOG.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gareth Lee Hunter View Post
    I think the main reason for the existence of unnecessary wars is economics... It's all about the money, honey.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gareth Lee Hunter View Post


    Eight Main Causes of War


    1. Economic Gain
    2. Territorial Gain
    3. Religion
    4. Nationalism
    5. Revenge
    6. Civil War
    7. Revolutionary War
    8. Defensive War


    https://owlcation.com/social-science...easons-For-War


    These days rather than wars fought over religion (as in the past), wars are mainly fought to gain access to resources such as oil and for geo-political reasons, regime change etc. I forsee that in the future this will even extend to wars being fought over fresh water supplies.

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    Most young men of fighting age haven't got a clue about the larger political scenario and mostly believe whatever propaganda (be it somewhat true, exaggerated, or downright false). People seem to have a natural built-in thing about belonging to their group (you can see this in how sports team followers get so attached and sometimes violent due to sports situations) so most young men will go off to "fight for your nation" even if they haven't got a clue about the larger picture (or whether they are fighting for a good cause which is what they are pretty much always told whether true or not).

    What I know and think now would make me want every young potential recruit into Canada's armed forces to think and know more ... and hopefully they would agree that they would be used as pawns for illegal wars in the Middle East ... and not for a good cause or protecting Canada.

    It's odd that according to my current knowledge (hopefully reasonably unbiased), I would feel that protecting Germany in World War II was the real only good cause (the complete opposite of what I had been told for so many years and which I gradually looked into on my own) ... to defend a nation that had been given so many problems and harmed and used. To defend from all sides against a set-up of traitorous international gangsters posing as leaders of "free nations".


    These days rather than wars fought over religion (as in the past), wars are mainly fought to gain access to resources such as oil and for geo-political reasons

    Also in the case of the US wars in the last 17 years, it's been partially also to maintain oil producing nations stay using US dollars for their oil sales. This is a point rarely brought up (Ron Paul had a great article about this ...and that this is what props up US dollar value ~ ie , oil producing nations selling their oil using US dollars)

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    Most young men of fighting age haven't got a clue about the larger political scenario and mostly believe whatever propaganda (be it somewhat true, exaggerated, or downright false). People seem to have a natural built-in thing about belonging to their group (you can see this in how sports team followers get so attached and sometimes violent due to sports situations) so most young men will go off to "fight for your nation" even if they haven't got a clue about the larger picture (or whether they are fighting for a good cause which is what they are pretty much always told whether true or not).
    I think this may possibly apply to young men with a lower educational attainment. The better educated are more likely to resist any attempts to be used as cannon fodder. Speaking from the perspective of the United Kingdom national service was disbanded in 1963. Since then we have had the counterculture of the late 60s-mid 70s and it was clear back then that there had been a paradigm shift. Recent opinion polls of people aged between 18-24 indicate that in excess of 62% of them would resist any attempts at conscription. The only people who are in favour of it are those who are too old for conscription even in a wartime scenario; the majority having been too young or not alive when it did exist. They are free and easy about consigning others to do something which they would not have to do.

    What I know and think now would make me want every young potential recruit into Canada's armed forces to think and know more ... and hopefully they would agree that they would be used as pawns for illegal wars in the Middle East ... and not for a good cause or protecting Canada.
    People like you are invaluable for out of your own difficult experiences you can educate younger people into the dangers of militarism. I reminded of the US veterans that came back from the horrors of Vietnam, ready to speak out against the folly of war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    I think this may possibly apply to young men with a lower educational attainment. The better educated are more likely to resist any attempts to be used as cannon fodder.

    Here's one issue to ponder for modern times.


    I have seen an increase of drone use for wartime. This allows controllers of these devices to sit back safely away from any danger in a "game-like" scenario. It is a further depersonalization of combat (I could even imagine these controllers sitting drinking a coke and eating chips whilst sending a missile at some "suspected terrorist" and killing 50 people at a wedding).

    Perhaps human-piloted aircraft will become obsolete for the wealthy NWO partnership nations and also human soldiers may become replaced by robots. In this scenario, the need for human soldiers wanting to go to war would become obsolete.


    Sounds rather grim but I'm seeing a trend towards getting rid of pilots asa start to this trend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenrune View Post
    Here's one issue to ponder for modern times.


    I have seen an increase of drone use for wartime. This allows controllers of these devices to sit back safely away from any danger in a "game-like" scenario. It is a further depersonalization of combat (I could even imagine these controllers sitting drinking a coke and eating chips whilst sending a missile at some "suspected terrorist" and killing 50 people at a wedding).

    Perhaps human-piloted aircraft will become obsolete for the wealthy NWO partnership nations and also human soldiers may become replaced by robots. In this scenario, the need for human soldiers wanting to go to war would become obsolete.


    Sounds rather grim but I'm seeing a trend towards getting rid of pilots asa start to this trend.
    Wars will always require at least some boots on the ground.

    I did not vote in the poll as it is what I call a loaded poll, meaning the questions are asked in such a manner to control the outcome. War is as old as mankind and it is part of our nature as men, get over it there will always be a war somewhere for some reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave View Post
    Wars will always require at least some boots on the ground.

    I did not vote in the poll as it is what I call a loaded poll, meaning the questions are asked in such a manner to control the outcome. War is as old as mankind and it is part of our nature as men, get over it there will always be a war somewhere for some reason.
    The inability of man to learn from his ways is also a "part of our nature as men" but not something which is unavoidable unless you are maintaining that man is somehow programmed to act in a certain way, that he is little more than an automaton.

    Contrary to your assertion the poll is not framed in a certain way "to control the outcome". I asked a very clear question as to whether people would be willing to fight in a war which has been INSTIGATED by their country, so I am not talking about a genuinely defensive war but the sorts of wars that the USA and its vassal States have been waging for decades in various parts of the world to extend both its and Israel's hegemony. By not answering the question directly you have done so indirectly-that much is clear to me.

    Here's one issue to ponder for modern times.
    I have seen an increase of drone use for wartime. This allows controllers of these devices to sit back safely away from any danger in a "game-like" scenario. It is a further depersonalization of combat (I could even imagine these controllers sitting drinking a coke and eating chips whilst sending a missile at some "suspected terrorist" and killing 50 people at a wedding).
    Perhaps human-piloted aircraft will become obsolete for the wealthy NWO partnership nations and also human soldiers may become replaced by robots. In this scenario, the need for human soldiers wanting to go to war would become obsolete.
    Sounds rather grim but I'm seeing a trend towards getting rid of pilots asa start to this trend.
    Yes, these people are not warriors, not even soldiers but cold blooded killers. The depersonalisation of war was remarked upon in the many works of Ernst Juenger with the rise of the machine in warfare. The first generation of tanks were part of this mechanisation and it continues a pace today. The invention of violent video games which place people in virtual battlefields is all part of the desensitisation process of young males for it is that group which these games are aimed at. The solution is to kill war. To do this the people must resist all attempts by the elite for them to be used as cannon fodder and to remove those governments that are hell bent on war. This is why I intend to vote Labour whilst Corbyn remains the leader of the Labour party-the only party leader with a moral compass.


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