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    The obvious solution to reduce the number of abortions is to sterilize the liberals, the third worlders and welfare recipients. We would not need abortions if the lebensunwertiglebern never got pregnant in the first place.

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    Although it's undesirable that abortion should be foisted upon the German people, one must also call out those people who despise the products of illegitimate births.

    As for infants, who's to say they even have a soul? Their consciousness gradually develops from environmental, external stimulus. Even if they did have a soul, then babies who die in miscarriage are just supposed to be burning in hellfire? Where does the Bible make exception for infants? All I know is that it suggests they should be dashed against the stone.

    It's also worth noting how animal babies can quickly get up on their feet and walk on their own while humans are literally born crippled, wrapped in clothes instead of being exposed to the bare elements. I believe this was mentioned by Rousseau.

    The Spartans maintained a higher conception of right than Roman/Western civilization.

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    Michelle Williams thanks God for abortion; pro-life women respond: Babies worth more than trophies

    Michelle Williams thanks God for abortion; pro-life women respond: Babies worth more than trophies

    After Michelle Williams used her platform to promote abortion at the Golden Globes Sunday, pro-life advocates and conservative leaders took to social media to condemn the actress’s “sad” comments.

    Williams, who won Best Performance by an Actress in a Limited Series or TV Movie for her role on "Fosse/Verdon," told the crowd Sunday evening that she was “grateful to have lived at a moment in our society when choice exists, because as women and as girls, things can happen to our bodies that are not our choice.” “I've tried my very best to live a life of my own making and not just a series of events that happened to me, but one that I could stand back and look at and recognize my handwriting all over it — sometimes messy and scrawling, sometimes careful and precise, but one that I have carved with my own hand.” “I wouldn't have been able to do this without employing a woman's right to choose,” she added. In an interview afterward, when asked by a reporter if she had personal experience to back up her statement, Williams refused to elaborate.

    The actress, who also used the occasion to show off her new pregnancy at the ceremony with fiancé Thomas Kail, a film director, encouraged women to vote to support abortion. “I know my choices might look different but thank God or whomever you pray to that we live in a country founded on the principle that I am free to live by my faith and you are free to live by yours," Williams said. "So women, 18 to 118, when it is time to vote, please do so in your own self-interest; it's what men have been doing for years,” she added.

    Williams’ speech came after British comedian Ricky Gervais
    urged Golden Globes attendees to avoid political issues. “So if you do win an award tonight, don’t use it as a platform to make a political speech,” he said. “You’re in no position to lecture the public about anything. You know nothing about the real world.”

    While Williams’ speech was met with applause from the audience, pro-life advocates and conservative leaders took to social media to condemn her comments.

    Lila Rose, anti-abortion activist and founder of Live Action, tweeted. “No trophy is worth more than a child's life. Sacrificing our children to pursue our dreams is the total antithesis of women's empowerment.” She later added, “Babies do not keep us from our dreams. Babies make us better, more loving, more giving. They are the source and inspiration for our best dreams. So grateful that I’ve been privileged with the precious gift of being a mother.”

    Planned Parenthood Director turned Pro-Life Advocate Abby Johnson tweeted: “Michelle Williams wants you believe that you have to kill your children in order to be successful. Well, I have eight children and have met all of my educational and career goals. To say that we must choose is an insult to the strength of women and motherhood.” “How sad it must be to trade an innocent human life for a tiny golden statue. Praying for Michelle Williams,” she added.

    Conservative writer Matt Walsh tweeted, “Michelle Williams got up on stage while pregnant and bragged about killing her child, then the audience full of rich, drug addled narcissists applauded while crying tears of joy. Hollywood is a cesspool. Gervais was way understating the case.”

    Author Melissa Ohden, a pro-life advocate who survived a botched abortion, wrote: “As usual, the Hollywood elite take a stand on abortion and show how little they really know about the issue. It’s sad, really, to see Michelle Williams (currently pregnant, nonetheless), state that she’s achieved what she has because of her “right to choose.” Clearly, she’s achieved what she has in spite of abortion, not because of it.”

    Williams’ speech came just a week after a group of Republican lawmakers submitted a brief to the Supreme Court urging it to reconsider the landmark case Roe v. Wade. In an amicus brief signed by 38 senators and 168 members of the House, the federal legislators urged the nation's highest court to revisit the core holdings in the cases that have enshrined abortion as a constitutional right for decades, particularly Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, a 1992 decision that upheld and reinforced Roe and created the “undue burden” standard to evaluate laws that restrict abortions.

    On Twitter, the pro-life group Americans United for Life said Williams had clearly embraced the “false” choice of Planned Parenthood v. Casey. The group tweeted, “Michelle Williams embraces the false choice of SCOTUS's Casey decision, which ignored the morality of abortion itself and lamely claimed that women can only achieve equality through the violence of abortion. We can do better.”

    Legitimate ... legal ... taking the life of a human child. Life begins at conception, heartbeat 6-8 weeks, then brain waves then "fully formed" by 12 weeks ... After conception, its NOT "her" pregnancy, its not "her body". It technically belongs to the family and the WORLD actually, the PRIVILEGE of maternity/motherhood, Christian / non-Christian alike. Think of the father, brother, sister, aunts, uncles, grandparents, neighbors, future school mates and possibly college room mates, and those in the future who may be "assisted", cured, housed, fed, etc ... Wake up, grow up, get educated, reoriented, whatever. Your real choice ...

    To be fair and honest, do we really want the Hollywood-crowd to procreate?

    Michelle Williams thanks God for abortion; pro-life women ...

    17 II 2020.

    Acting is the profession where not toeing the party line is just the total end of your career.
    And people think we live in the 'free world' but it's not free of 'head hunters'.

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    Abortions leave very few children to adopt among infertile couples. I knew a few young women who could not have children and adopted during the nineties. If these babies were aborted, many adoptions would have never taken place. Now, some whites will go to ridiculous ends to adopt children from Asian, Central American, and African countries to fulfill their family desires, but they don't understand that the child has been removed from their own cultural lands with little to no voice during the process. This can also create a faster artificial "drain" from their dwindling birth rates like Russia or Korea. Governments and nonprofit religious organizations make some profit and employ their peoples in these fields for "legalized" shifting populations around the globe.
    Oddly, at the end, conservatives and more religious-minded people will have families as true liberals will breed 0-1 child policy. Then, they advocate mass immigration to fill in the voids of population losses. I personally know Christian families who have 3 to 5 children without any government aid. They'll not go extinct as the the Bible says: "Be fruitful and multiply." Religion tends to co-exist with a natural order of things unlike artificial government policies. Liberals don't invest in their own people and frequently berate them for having children through unfavorable government policies and shunning social attitudes.

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    Viral Video of Girl Cheerfully Getting Abortion at Planned Parenthood Draws Horror

    A widely viewed TikTok video that has drawn horrified responses shows a girl laughing and apparently having fun as she reveals her pregnancy and heads to Planned Parenthood for what appears to be her second abortion attempt.

    The video shows the girl exposing her somewhat swollen abdomen and laughing in the car, apparently on her way to Planned Parenthood to have an abortion.

    It continues with footage of her smiling as she actually undergoes the abortion, and a close-up of the ultrasound image as her baby is aborted.

    According to previous TikTok posts, the girl had taken the Plan B “emergency contraceptive” pill in an attempt to terminate the pregnancy.

    Lila Rose


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    video w/

    4M views shows girls cheerfully walking into Planned Parenthood & one killing her baby on camera. It’s in violation of countless Community Guidelines against: "Violent content" "Depictions of deaths" "Dismembered humans" & others RT!

    Live Action President Lila Rose tweeted the video, noting the post is “in violation of countless Community Guidelines against ‘violent content,’ ‘depictions of deaths,’ and ‘dismembered humans.’”

    Rose referred to the fact that, last June, she announced Twitter had again banned both of her accounts and that of her organization from all ads.

    Lila Rose



    Jun 4, 2019
    Twitter banned


    & my account from all ads. When we asked why,


    said we could resume ads, only if we deleted the following content from our Twitter AND website: -Anything about abortion procedures -Investigations of Planned Parenthood -All ultrasound images




    Viral Video of Girl Cheerfully Getting Abortion at Planned Parenthood Draws Horror

    28 II 2020.

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    Girl brags about 'getting her second abortion' in TikTok video where she documents her trip to a California Planned Parenthood leaving pro-life and pro-choice advocates shocked

    • The since-deleted video, titled 'Abortion time, take 2,' shows the young woman getting dressed in front of a mirror while her friend holds a pregnancy test
    • Clip jumps to show the young woman poking her stomach out before it jumps again to show the front of a Planned Parenthood in Pasadena, California
    • She goes into the facility and mocks another couple that are there before she is seen by a medical personnel
    • Video's caption suggests that this is also her second abortion
    • Lila Rose, president of the pro-life group Live Action, posted the video to Twitter before it was removed for violating the platform's rules

    She appears to be wiping something from her eye, suggesting that she may have been crying after learning the news of her pregnancy.

    'How do you feel Ashley,' the girl's friend can be heard asking as the woman looks in the mirror.

    The clip jumps to show the young woman poking her stomach out before it jumps again to show the front of a Planned Parenthood in Pasadena, California.

    Inside the clinic, a couple sits solemnly in a corner of the facility. Ashley and her camera person caption the segment: 'There's two abortion moods.'

    The camera pans to show Ashley doing the shoot dance.

    The clip comes to an end showing Ashley sitting on a hospital bed and getting an ultrasound.

    It is unknown if she actually underwent the procedure.

    Lila Rose, president of the pro-life group Live Action, posted the video to Twitter before it was removed for violating the platform's rules.

    'Twitter just locked my account until I removed the TikTok video of the girl joking & filming her abortion at @PPFA,' she said in a follow up tweet.

    'After your RTs & outcry, TikTok removed the girl’s account. Let’s pray for her & work to end the “pro-choice” brainwashing that dehumanizes & kills helpless babies.'

    And while many agreed with Rose's sentiment, there was a pro-choice advocate who continued stressing why some take the step.

    'Whilst the video is distasteful to say the least, the rights of the mother must always come before the rights of the foetus,' said the user. 'Pro-Choice is not brainwashing. It's giving someone their basic human right- freedom. Freedom to make their own choices about their own life.'

    Both #Prolife and #abortion tags on TikTok have well over 70 million views on the social media platform.

    A shocking TikTok video shows a California woman undergoing her 'second abortion'.

    The since-deleted video, titled 'Abortion time, take 2,' shows the young woman getting dressed in front of a mirror while her friend holds up a positive pregnancy test.

    The video's caption suggests that this is also her second abortion. A remix of Bruno Mars' 'It Will Rain' plays in the background.

    Source: Dailymail
    “We think that we are born today tabula rasa without a history, but man has always lived in the myth. To think that man is born without a history within himself — that is a disease. It is absolutely abnormal, because man is not bom every day. He is born into a specific historical setting with specific historical qualities, and therefore, he is only complete when he has a relation to these things. If you are growing up with no connection from the past, it is like being born without eyes and ears and trying to perceive the external world with accuracy. Natural science may say, “You need no connection with the past; you can wipe it out”, but that is a mutilation of the human being.” – Carl Gustav Jung, 1957

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    Human Rights Court Rules Against Christian Midwives Who Will Not Abort Babies

    The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) has dismissed the case of two Christian midwives who were denied jobs in Sweden for refusing to perform abortions, ruling that the violation of the women’s consciences was “justified”.

    After losing several court battles in Sweden, the two women — Ellinor Grimmark and Linda Steen — took their plight to the European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR), which announced this week it will not take up the case.

    Swedish law obliges all midwives to perform abortions and makes no allowance for conscientious objection based on religious faith.

    In dismissing Ms Grimmark’s complaint, ECHR judges
    recognised there had been “an interference with her freedom of religion under Article Nine” of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) — but insisted that this interference “was proportionate and justified with the view of achieving a legitimate aim.”

    The interference “had a sufficient basis in Swedish law,” the judges claimed, and “pursued the legitimate aim of protecting the health of women seeking an abortion.”

    “Sweden provides nationwide abortion services and therefore has a positive obligation to organise its health system in a way as to ensure that the effective exercise of freedom of conscience of health professionals in the professional context does not prevent the provision of such services,” the judges declared.

    Both women received statefunding for their training in Sweden as midwives, but despite Sweden’s acute midwife shortage, they were refused midwifery jobs when they revealed they would be unwilling to carry out abortions.

    Ms Grimmark applied for a job at the women’s clinic at Värnamo Hospital, which denied her the position but offered her counselling “in order to come to terms with abortions and to change her mind.”

    The women attempted to redress the wrong through Sweden’s legal system, arguing unsuccessfully that they had suffered discrimination because of their Christian faith and that their freedom of conscience had been violated.

    The European Court ruling echoed a recent report from the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Religion or Belief, which stated that religious liberty must surrender to “human rights” such as the right to an abortion or same-sex marriage.

    UN official Ahmed Shaheed lamented religiously-informed “laws and policies that restrict sexual and reproductive rights,” including “partial or total bans on access to abortion and contraception.” In his report, Mr Shaheed explicitly condemned the appeal to conscientious objection to avoid having to perform abortions. “One area of particular concern regarding accommodations to national law for religious beliefs is the use of conscientious objection by healthcare providers and institutions unwilling to perform abortions or provide access to contraception on religious grounds,” the Special Rapporteur stated. Shaheed said that the Human Rights Committee “has called on States to ensure that women have access to legal abortion notwithstanding conscientious objection by medical practitioners, which it has referred to as a ‘barrier’ to access.”

    Murdering an unborn living child is now a “legitimate aim”?

    The UN seems to also agree with the European courts.
    That's why the United States must pull out of the United Nations.
    Pack up their New York headquarters and send them packing!
    Endorsement of infanticide is pure evil.
    Europe will reap what it sows.

    There is NO FREEDOM..... without Freedom of Conscience!

    European Human Rights Court Rules Against Christian Midwives Who Will Not Abort Babies

    14 III 2020.

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    New Zealand PM rushes world’s most extreme abortion legislation into law while country distracted with pandemic

    New Zealand MPs have introduced the most extreme abortion law in the world after the Abortion Legislation Bill passed its third reading in Parliament.

    The bill passed by 68 votes to 51 – a much narrower margin than at the first and second reading. The new law will mean that New Zealand has the most extreme abortion law in the world, this will include:

    - Abortion will now be available on-demand, for any reason, up to birth

    - Sex-selective abortion will be legalised

    - The current 20 week limit for disability-selective abortion will be scrapped and abortion will be available up to birth for disabilities including cleft lip, club foot and Down syndrome

    - There will be no requirement that a doctor must be involved with providing an abortion

    - There will be no legal requirement that babies born alive after a ‘failed’ abortion are given medical support

    - There will be no legal requirement that pain relief be given to babies being aborted between 20 weeks and birth

    - There will be no legal restrictions on controversial methods of abortion such as intact dilation and extraction abortions (also knows as partial-birth abortions)

    Polling shows that the new law is strongly opposed by the public in New Zealand and in particular by women, with only 2% of women supporting abortion being available on-demand up to birth, 93% of women opposing sex-selective abortion being legal and 94% of women supporting the current legal standards for abortion providers and premises.

    Given the extremely low public support for the change and that the gap between MPs opposing and supporting was quickly closing, Jacinda Ardern’s Government rushed the final stages of the Bill’s progress through Parliament while MPs, media and the country were distracted with dealing with the Coronavirus pandemic. This included progressing the final sitting of the committee stage and the Bill’s third and final reading through Parliament on the same day.

    The Bill has also seen a very large backlash from the disability community with over 1,200 people with Down syndrome and their families calling on the Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, to keep a pre-election promise to not introduce abortion up to birth for Down syndrome.

    An amendment hoping to put the issue to a public referendum failed in a conscience vote by 100 votes to 19 votes, denying the public a final say on the legislation.

    Additionally, the Abortion Legislation Committee only heard from 139 people who wanted to give oral feedback on the Bill, despite over 25,000 submissions.

    By way of comparison, the Climate Change Response (Zero Carbon) Amendment Bill received just 10,000 written submissions, but the Environment Committee heard 1,500 oral submissions.


    Most extreme abortion law in the world

    Canada is the only country in the world that has no abortion law, as their law was struck down by a case brought to their Supreme Court in 1988. Amongst the rest of the jurisdictions in the world that have abortion legislation, Victoria, Australia, currently has the most extreme law.

    The law in Victoria allows for abortion right through to birth on physical, psychological and social grounds when approved by two doctors; this can be the abortion operating surgeon and anaesthetist. This has, in practice, allowed for abortion on demand, for any reason, right through to birth in Victoria, Australia.

    Ahead of the legislation being introduced in Victoria in 2008, abortion activists claimed that, although abortion would, in practice, be allowed for any reason, doctors would ensure that the vast majority of abortions would only occur in rare circumstances, such as when a baby had a condition where they would either die in the womb or shortly after birth (a fatal foetal abnormality or life-limiting disability) – similar claims are currently now being made about the proposed NZ abortion law by abortion campaigners and MPs in New Zealand.

    Data from the 12 years of the law being in operation in Victoria shows that this has not been the case. Right To Life UK’s Public Affairs team have undertaken an extensive analysis of published abortion data on late-term abortions in Victoria from The Consultative Council on Obstetric and Paediatric Mortality.

    This data shows that since the law changed in 2008, 1,418 late-term abortions (between 20-weeks’ gestation and birth) have been performed, allowed by doctors for ‘psychosocial’ reasons – these were terminations where the baby did not have a disability and the abortion was performed on social grounds. In 2011, one of these abortions on social grounds occured at 37 weeks.


    The new abortion law in New Zealand is even more extreme than the law in Victoria, Australia – making it the most extreme abortion law in the world.

    It would allow abortions between 20-weeks’ gestation and birth with the go-ahead from just two health practitioners (this could include nurses and midwives) rather than the higher threshold of two doctors that are required in Victoria.

    In the proposed legislation in New Zealand, the Abortion Legislation Committee widened the, already loose, criteria to include “overall well-being” – making it even easier for abortions to happen between 20 weeks and birth in New Zealand. These are undefined terms and it will be up to the healthcare practitioner involved as to how they interpret them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagdmesser View Post
    European Human Rights Court Rules Against Christian Midwives Who Will Not Abort Babies
    At least, this is not (yet?) possible in Germany. Here, every doctor can refuse to do abortions and doesn't need to fear for his job. But I wonder for how long.

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