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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterland View Post
    I think it's quite difficult to fake the long SIMS and training of 100 plus NASA engineers for each mission
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    https://www.aulis.com/record.htm

    Apollo Flight Director Gene Kranz recounts these simulations on page 234 of his book, Failure is not an Option (Fig. 17):

    In the late 1960s our simulation technology had progressed to the point where it became virtually impossible to separate the training from actual missions. The simulations became full dress rehearsals for the missions down to the smallest detail. The simulation tested out the crew’s and controller’s responses to normal and emergency conditions. It checked out the exact flight plan, mission rules, and procedures that the crew and controllers would use for a later flight.

    The beginning section of this statement by Kranz appeared verbatim in an interview that he gave for the 2003 History Channel documentary of the same name:

    KRANZ: The simulations were so real that no controller could discern the difference between the training and the real mission.
    Also, as a precedent of secrecy:

    Manhattan Project - Wikipedia

    A 1945 Life article estimated that before the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings "probably no more than a few dozen men in the entire country knew the full meaning of the Manhattan Project, and perhaps only a thousand others even were aware that work on atoms was involved." The magazine wrote that the more than 100,000 others employed with the project "worked like moles in the dark". Warned that disclosing the project's secrets was punishable by 10 years in prison or a fine of US$10,000 (equivalent to $144,000 in 2020), they saw enormous quantities of raw materials enter factories with nothing coming out, and monitored "dials and switches while behind thick concrete walls mysterious reactions took place" without knowing the purpose of their jobs.[246][247][248][249][250]
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    along with test pilots, at Mission Control and to replicate their emotional states when they landed on the moon. NASA did recruit the brightest engineers, mostly Germanics, across the country when they built the space program, so it can be equally insulting to say that they falsified the historical Apollo landings. Most Apollos never landed and only orbited. Von Braun also helped with rocketry, and there was Arthur Rudolph's Saturn V rocket design. Of course, Jews ranted over the granting of US citizenship to the father of Apollo rocketry. The questioning of the Apollo landings could equally well be by Jewish groups and/or Russians to discredit the entire program. Saturn V was probably the most successful rocket ever designed even over the space shuttle. NASA did not fake the explosions as well on launch pad or mid air disasters but showed air-flight failures.

    Yes, I think we really had the technologies to travel to the moon and land safely as it seemed pointless to support a large hoax and silencing so many former employees. Maybe, some of the photo releases were declassified photo ops (?) for general public viewing to prevent theft of technological information, if they're fakes. Currently, I don't think NASA could really re-create their brilliant past engineer employees due to a slow intellectual decline from universities and differing hiring practices. To state, we had different men back then.
    It is an amazing feat they can achieve low earth orbit (LEO) and send craft beyond LEO (regardless of whether humans have ever gone beyond LEO).

    Check out American Moon sometime:



    American Moon (2017) - IMDb


    This documentary examines the authenticity of the photographic record of NASA's Apollo missions.
    You can find the free versions online. I would link one, but I just worry about it disappearing if it becomes too popular; I think it's 5 bucks otherwise.

    Edit: I think the film producer is fine with people being able to watch it for free off youtube (until youtube deletes it ):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpuKu3F0BvY
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    I believe the 6 moon landings happened since you can see current aeronautical and computer advancements today. If you ever toured NASA Mission Control room during the mid 70's, they had massive Mainframe computers behind the control center. Also, some missions weren't successful like Apollo 13 that never landed. Why did we drop Saturn V model? "Another reason we're not reusing the Saturn V is the same reason it was cancelled in the first place: cost." During the 80's, US planned to make it to Mars before our decline. Many missions were delayed and sabotaged starting with the Carter administration because of costs, the Skylab program for example. Welfare became more important and mini wars over space exploration. Many average citizens complained about "wasted monies" and did not see the importance of it. At one time, no one, including historians, believed that the Vikings sailed to the New World in an open longboat either until they discovered artifacts!

    Our elite do not back our educated white men and/or managerial class. Over the last 40 years, our current Democrats and Black population never supported space exploration and prefer to harp on the racial injustices of the past. What really bothers me is the decline of the intellectual man. US once pooled their genius men to compete with the Russians and rising Asian economies. We once had leading STEM education centers too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterland View Post
    I believe the 6 moon landings happened since you can see current aeronautical and computer advancements today.
    We've certainly advanced in terms of computers and aeronautics since the end of Apollo; however, this raises the question of how it was possible to go then, but not in the subsequent five decades by any nation (technological advancement tends to make things easier).

    The skeptic thesis is that they just stayed in low earth orbit, and the rest was staged.

    They cite footage like this as evidence:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrO7eHKNTUU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpPMoIv1lxI

    I'm not saying it demonstrates the moon landing was a hoax, but there's a lot of other stuff: https://www.aulis.com/moon_pt1.htm https://www.kilibro.com/books/0932813909/dark-moon

    'Since' Apollo, no ships with humans onboard have gone through the radiation belt.

    Unbeknownst to most American citizens, at about 1000 miles above the surface of the Earth, which is 750 miles above where the international space station presently orbits at just 250 miles, lay bands of lethal radiation, nearly 30,000 miles thick, called the “Van Allen Radiation Belts”, humbly named after their founder, Dr. James Van Allen, who discovered the radiation belts in 1958 by putting a Geiger counter (radiation meter) on an unmanned probe launched toward this region of space. The radiation belts are a collection of intense radioactive particles, mostly from the sun, which have collected around the Earth ever since its creation, and are permanently held there in place by the Earth’s magnetic field. The only time humans have ever claimed to have gone through this dangerous radiation field is during the “honorable” Nixon administration from 1969 to 1972, a course of travel necessary to reach the moon and return. All other manned space flights, of all time, except for the “Apollo” missions, were well below this dangerous radiation, in low Earth orbit, the very place where the space station presently safely resides.

    Twenty-five years later, in 1997, when the space shuttle flew to its highest altitude ever, 380 miles, the record-breaking shuttle crew made an alarming discovery when their safety instruments notified them of the approaching radiation danger, though it was still 620 miles away. So severe was the radiation, even at more than 600 miles distance, that NASA never sent the shuttle to this hazardous altitude ever again. Because of this encounter, CNN reported at the time . . .

    “The radiation belts surrounding Earth are MORE DANGEROUS THAN PREVIOUSLY BELIEVED.” (“Previously believed” being the knowledge gathered by the “Apollo” moon missions, the only ones ever to have claimed to have successfully traveled through the radiation belts.)

    I believe the skeptics suggest people could pass through (only takes 2-3 hours) but it would likely make them sick (without a 6 foot shield of water or lead apparently). If they stayed in it for a couple days, without shielding, they'd die.

    Here's one the revisionists pointing out the issue and how to overcome it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJGW6kTd0zI

    This Alan Bean (astronaut) interview was 'interesting' at 10 minutes in about the belts:

    https://youtu.be/kg21P4VP9lk?t=568

    Quote Originally Posted by Winterland View Post
    If you ever toured NASA Mission Control room during the mid 70's, they had massive Mainframe computers behind the control center. Also, some missions weren't successful like Apollo 13 that never landed. Why did we drop Saturn V model? "Another reason we're not reusing the Saturn V is the same reason it was cancelled in the first place: cost." During the 80's, US planned to make it to Mars before our decline. Many missions were delayed and sabotaged starting with the Carter administration because of costs, the Skylab program for example. Welfare became more important and mini wars over space exploration. Many average citizens complained about "wasted monies" and did not see the importance of it. At one time, no one, including historians, believed that the Vikings sailed to the New World in an open longboat either until they discovered artifacts!
    Our elite do not back our educated white men and/or managerial class. Over the last 40 years, our current Democrats and Black population never supported space exploration and prefer to harp on the racial injustices of the past. What really bothers me is the decline of the intellectual man. US once pooled their genius men to compete with the Russians and rising Asian economies. We once had leading STEM education centers too.

    Yes it could just be cost that explains the delay. There have been 10 declared return dates, the most recent (2024), delayed again mainly due to space suit challenges. And yes I agree with you - not enough support for White minds, but, it always boils down to Whities like us actually giving the challenge of learning things like computer science and engineering everything we have. I don't know what the owners of this website do for a living, but perhaps it's computer programming, and that's what's paying to keep this place afloat (very grateful).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterland View Post
    I believe the 6 moon landings happened since you can see current aeronautical and computer advancements today. If you ever toured NASA Mission Control room during the mid 70's, they had massive Mainframe computers behind the control center. Also, some missions weren't successful like Apollo 13 that never landed. Why did we drop Saturn V model? "Another reason we're not reusing the Saturn V is the same reason it was cancelled in the first place: cost." During the 80's, US planned to make it to Mars before our decline. Many missions were delayed and sabotaged starting with the Carter administration because of costs, the Skylab program for example. Welfare became more important and mini wars over space exploration. Many average citizens complained about "wasted monies" and did not see the importance of it. At one time, no one, including historians, believed that the Vikings sailed to the New World in an open longboat either until they discovered artifacts!

    Our elite do not back our educated white men and/or managerial class. Over the last 40 years, our current Democrats and Black population never supported space exploration and prefer to harp on the racial injustices of the past. What really bothers me is the decline of the intellectual man. US once pooled their genius men to compete with the Russians and rising Asian economies. We once had leading STEM education centers too.
    What do you think is driving this thread, but elitist anti-intellectualism?
    full stop

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    The Kubrick hypothesis

    Appendix: the Kubrick hypothesis

    Before being broadcast on TV, the Apollo moon landings were studio productions. No wonder, then, that one of the most influential whistleblowers was Hollywood filmmaker Peter Hyams with his film
    Capricorn One (1978).


    Although it has no bearing on the issue of the reality or possibility of the moon landings, and should not be taken as argument, I’d like to mention here one of the most intriguing developments of the moon hoax conspirarcy theory: the suggestion that director Stanley Kubrick collaborated with the NASA in the making of the Apollo moon films while making his 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), on which he started working as early as 1964, just after finishing his antimilitary film Dr Strangelove. The rumor has that Kubrick was then pressured into a Faustian pact in exchange for fundings and other help. That Kubrick received support from the NASA for 2001 is actually no secret: the scenario was co-written by Arthur C. Clark, an enthusiastic supporter and contributor of NASA adventures, and several assistants for the film, such as Harry Lange and Frederick Ordway, had worked for NASA and aerospace contractors. Some therefore believe that 2001 was part of a NASA program both to fascinate the public with space travel and to test production techniques.


    That hypothesis first arose when skeptics studying the Apollo photos and films became convinced that they had been made in movie studios using the technique calledfrontscreen projection, which had been perfected by Stanley Kubrick for his film 2001.
    The theory had already been around for some time, when a French “mockumentary” called Dark Side of the Moon, directed by William Karel, was aired on Arte channel in 2002, as a very smart but futile attempt to debunk it.


    But the theory gained a new vigor when film director Jay Weidner added to it the hypothesis that Kubrick cryptically confessed his participation through his 1980 film The Shining. Weidner presents his arguments in his 2011 documentary film Kubrick’s Odyssey: Secrets Hidden in the Films of Stanley Kubrick. Part One: Kubrick and Apollo. He also gives a brief summary of his theory in the documentary film Room 237 (2012), available on vimeo (Weidner’s contribution is between 00:44:25 and 00:51:55, and between 1:16:00 and 1:16:45). You can watch here Weidner’s contribution on YouTube:

    Vid Weidneron room 237:
    https://youtu.be/TCHklsfthNw


    When I first heard of that theory and watched Room 237 (I haven’t watched Kubrick’s Odyssey), I didn’t think much of it. But after watching anew The Shining with it in mind, studying Kubrick’s other films (especially Eyes Wide Shut, which one way or another killed him) and their layers of hidden meanings , and learning of his perfectionist obsession with every detail, I find the theory not only fascinating, but highly plausible.


    Weidner’s starting point is the observation that, although the film The Shining is allegedly based on Stephen King’s novel of the same title, Kubrick ignored the scenario adapted by King himself, and changed so many things in the story that it can be said to be a totally different story—which made King quite resentful. Kubrick seems to have used King’s novel as a cover for a story of his own. What is therefore interesting is to focus exclusively on the elements of the film that depart from King’s novel, and on the details that seem to have no direct bearing on the main narrative. Weidner is not alone in taking this approach: many Kubrick admirers believe that the film has hidden meanings. Some argue, convincingly I believe, that it contains cryptic references to child abuse, also an underlying theme in Eyes Wide Shut. But Weidner reads into the film a subtext that amounts to an autobiographical confession of Kubrick’s role in faking the Apollo moon landings eleven years earlier.


    According to that interpretation, Jack Torrance (Jack Nicholson) represents Kubrick himself, while the Overlook Hotel (built on Indian burial ground), represents America. The manager of the hotel, Stuart Ullman (Barry Nelson), made to look like JFK, represents the US government (as well as perhaps the JFK Space Center), while his assistant Bill Watson, who keeps observing Torrance without uttering a word, represents the Intelligence underworld.



    Stuart Ullmann (the State) and Bill Watson (the Deep State)


    Two scenes in particular give the keys to this cryptic narrative. The first one is when Danny (representing Kubrick’s child, that is, the Apollo films) rises up wearing an Apollo 11 sweater, on a rug with a design similar to the Launch Complex from which the Apollo rockets were launched. Soon after, Danny enters room n°237, which contains the secret of the hotel. The room number was 217 in King’s novel, but Kubrick changed it to 237 in reference to the distance of 237,000 miles that separates the earth from the moon (according to the common estimation at the time). The “room n°237” is in fact the “moon room”, because “room” looks similar to “moon” when read backward, and Kubrick has taught us to read words backward in the scene where the word “redrum” becomes “murder” in the mirror.




    Danny (Jack/Kubrick’s child) is Apollo 11 (a Disney production?).


    The second most important scene from the point of view of Kubrick’s cryptic subtext is when Wendy discovers that Jack, who is supposed to write a novel, has been typing one single sentence over and over again: “All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.” That sentence, which must have been chosen by Kubrick for a very specific purpose, takes a secondary meaning once you realize that All, in American typewriter script, is indistinguishable from A11, which can stand for Apollo 11.




    Director’s wife finds out he makes A(pollo) 11 work, and no play


    When Jack then catches Wendy reading the pages, he tells her how deadly serious his contract is:


    “Have you ever thought for a single solitary moment about my responsibilities to my employers? […] Does it matter to you at all that the owners have placed their complete confidence and trust in me, and that I have signed a letter of agreement, a contract, in which I have accepted that responsibility? […] Has it ever occurred to you what would happen to my future if I were to fail to live up to my responsibilities?”

    Besides these two scenes, there are a number of other clues that support this subtextual reading. Why did Kubrick, for example, make the design of the Indian tapestry in the main lounge resemble rockets? Does Jack aiming at them with a ball represent Kubrick “shooting” the Apollo films?






    Just after that shot, Wendy and Danny go into the hedge maze. Jack then looks over a model of the maze inside the lounge, which merges with the real maze in cross fading, suggesting that the maze is not real. This is also hinted by the aerial shot of the Overlook Hotel, which clearly shows that there is no maze next to it. Coming from Kubrick, this cannot be a continuity error.


    Puzzling spatial impossibilities in the film have also been discovered by careful students of the film such as Rob Ager. They are no mistakes, for Kubrick gave himself a lot of trouble to produce them. Therefore, they must have a message to tell, possibly that what appears to be outdoor was in in fact filmed indoor.


    There are also two brief allusions to television that fit with the alleged subtext: a sarcastic remark on the notion that what is seen on television is “OK” (watch the scene here), and a mysteriously wireless television (impossible in 1980) showing the film Summer of 42.




    “See, it’s OK, he saw it on television!”


    Another possible clue left by Kubrick to let us know that he intended The Shining to be read as cryptically autobiographical, is the documentary that he asked his daughter Vivian to shoot on the set of the film (now included as bonus in DVDs). It makes Kubrick appear as a mirror image of Jack Torrance. This has been detected even by critics with no interest in the Apollo theory, such as Rob Ager, who writes:

    “Kubrick’s decision to allow a documentary film to be shot on the set of The Shining was an unprecedented departure from his usual ultra-secretive work policy. All of the behind the scenes footage was shot by his daughter Vivian. Without realizing it, many film critics and biographers have accidentally identified Kubrick’s motive for releasing this documentary. Time and time again they have described his edgy behind the scenes behavior as being comparable to the film’s main character Jack Torrance. One of the biographies I read […] even claimed that there were running jokes on set about the similarities in appearance and behavior between Jack Nicholson’s character and Stanley Kubrick. My theory is that Kubrick was deliberately creating these character parallels between himself and Jack, both in the documentary and among his crew in general. But the most prominent example of this parallel is Kubrick’s degrading treatment of the actress Shelley Duvall (Wendy) and the actor Scatman Crothers (Halloran), both of whose on screen characters are victims of Jack Torrance’s madness.”



    Jack is writing a horror story, and so is Stanley, here shown typing in his daughter’s



    documentary
    The Moon Landings: A Giant Hoax for Mankind
    ?
    An introduction to the mother of all conspiracy theories
    MOON LANDING SKEPTIC
    Read the full article at source.

    "the more educated people are, and the more capable of rational reasoning, the less they believe in the moon landings".

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    The Indian Space Agency on April 2, 2021 released an image of the Apollo 11 landing site. This image sits on Wikipedia's proof of the moon landings webpage. Just one small problem: it's the (unmanned) Surveyor lander that's sitting where the Apollo 11 descent stage is supposed to be. So either the Indian Space Agency is lying or they've decided to start ratting on NASA.

    https://www.aulis.com/j_white_col2.htm


    Fig. 3.05. Comparison of M175124932R and the Chandrayaan-2 image of the same location.


    Fig. 3.06. Overhead diagram of the LM descent stage.


    Fig. 3.07. M175124932R with LM diagram overlaid.


    Fig.3.08. Chandrayaan-2 image with LM diagram overlaid.


    Fig. 3.09 Overhead diagram of the Surveyor lunar lander.


    Fig. 3.10. Chandrayaan-2 image with Surveyor diagram overlaid.


    Fig 4.01 Top. LROC M175124932R with LM diagram overlaid. Center: Chandrayaan-2 image with LM diagram overlaid. Bottom: Chandrayaan-2 with Surveyor diagram overlaid.
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