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    National Socialism and the Rejection of Capitalism-a Question for National Socialists

    "We are socialists. We are enemies, deadly enemies, of today’s capitalist economic system with its exploitation of the economically weak, its unfair wage system, its immoral way of judging the worth of human beings in terms of their wealth and their money, instead of their responsibility and their performance, and we are determined to destroy this system whatever happens!"

    The above quote is frequently attributed (incorrectly) to Adolf Hitler. However they are not his words but those of Gregor Stasser (Thoughts about the Tasks of the Future, 1926). Gregor Strasser (1892-1934) was murdered during the Night of the Long Knives on 30th June 1934. His brother Otto Strasser (1897-1974) went onto form the Combat League of Revolutionary National Socialists (1930-1934), also known as the 'Black Front'. He fled Germany after the death of his brother and returned in 1955 and formed the German Social Union (1956-1962).

    The Strasser brothers were clearly anti-capitalist and with the Night of the Long Knives the German National Socialist revolution was curtailed and Germany embarked on a disastrous path of militarism. The reason why I have posted this thread is to ask those of you who regard yourselves as National Socialist why do you appear to support the capitalist system?





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    Let's put another quote against this to balance it:

    A Socialist is one who serves the common good without giving up his individuality or personality or the product of his personal efficiency. Our adopted term "Socialist" has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not. Marxism places no value on the individual, or individual effort, or efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievement were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am atheist. Both charges are false.
    A.Hitler, Dec 28, 1938
    And when we're at it:

    National Socialism is not Fascism
    The main difference between National Socialism and Fascism is the role of the State in each system. Fascism is a form of Statism. Fascism teaches that the State is primary, and that the State forms the Nation. In contrast, National Socialism teaches that the Race/Folk is primary, and that the purpose of the State is to serve the Race/Folk. National Socialism is not totalitarian.

    "The Fascist conception of the state is all-embracing: outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have any real worth. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist state - a synthesis and a unit of all values - interprets, develops and potentiates the whole life of a people. It is not the Nation that generates the State. Rather it is the State which creates the Nation, conferring volition and, therefore, real life on a people. In the Fascist conception, the state is an absolute before which individuals and groups are relative."
    Benito Mussolini - The Doctrine of Fascism

    "The State is only a means to an end. Its end and its purpose are to preserve and promote a community of human beings who are physically as well as spiritually kindred. States which do not serve this purpose have no justification for their existence. They are monstrosities."
    Adolf Hitler - Mein Kampf

    "I am the first Servant of my State" - Kaiser Wilhelm II
    (a quote rarely understood, but Hitler shared this view, it's Race/Folk -> Nation (the entirety of Race/Folk/Culture) -> State (political organisation of the Nation to SERVE the Nation.)


    NS was not against private property, it was not against entrepeneurs, it was not against individual rights. It also was not against private business and a market economy driven by private and public business. Only circulating money creates value.

    What NS was against and intented to crush was the "financial markets", stock exchange, big private banking, and specially the currency issuing from privately owned banks like the FED (and since WWII, basically all socalled "national banks" which are all owned by Rothschild, except for the 7 "rogue states" that Bush coined the axis of evil), aka Fiat Money, which derives its "value" from indepting the state with a never repayable burden which increases, by design, ever further and extracts created value (through real-world business) from the Nation. This is what "anti-capitalism" means in terms of NS, this system had to be crushed.

    I would assume that at some point we had ended up with an economy structured like that of Japan actually. It's a controlled and guided "free market" where inter-dependend businesses are bound together in a strict checks-and-balances system to prevent any one party from trying to rip off other businesses. They are forced to work together and in mutual interest in order to florish, ultimately watched over by "the Ministry" (an army of state employees who make sure this is realised). The system of hierarchy in Japan does not express itself in vastly economic differences. Societal hierarchy is a mixture of hereditary standing and merit largely independend from income. There is no "minimum wage" in Japan, yet people earn a whole lot more than in "western" countries. This is achieved through a limit put on CEO income, which cannot be more than 9 (I think) times that of workers within the respective "cartell". So in order for a CEO to increase his own income, which is his perfect right, he also has to raise the wage paid for workers, thus enforcing the "tickling down" of value created to the common people. This system is being systematically targeted through international capitalism since the mid/late 90s and in many aspects already eroded, since the coup against Japan in 2011 it's most likely going downhill rapidly. But imho it was a great system, and one able to fend off the evils of greed.

    Another btw:
    Gun Control:
    Hitler lowered the age from 20 to 18 right after taking control, reversing limitations and prohibitions instated through the Communist Weimar Republic. Of course, limitations were in place for the Jews/Communists, and mechanisms to take weapons off them. In 1938 the law largely deregulated acquisition and possession of guns and rifles and ammunition for Germans entirely. All limitations were only directed against foreign nationals and Jews residing in Germany.

    NS is not communism. NS is not anti-business. NS is not against private property. NS is not against individual freedom. NS is not against gun ownership. NS however holds that the actions of individuals and businesses must serve, or at least not damage, the common good, social cohesion etc. If they do, they are in trouble. It's called law enforcement, the core role of the state to safeguard order.
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    Well said Velet

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Let's put another quote against this to balance it:



    And when we're at it:

    National Socialism is not Fascism
    The main difference between National Socialism and Fascism is the role of the State in each system. Fascism is a form of Statism. Fascism teaches that the State is primary, and that the State forms the Nation. In contrast, National Socialism teaches that the Race/Folk is primary, and that the purpose of the State is to serve the Race/Folk. National Socialism is not totalitarian.

    "The Fascist conception of the state is all-embracing: outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have any real worth. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist state - a synthesis and a unit of all values - interprets, develops and potentiates the whole life of a people. It is not the Nation that generates the State. Rather it is the State which creates the Nation, conferring volition and, therefore, real life on a people. In the Fascist conception, the state is an absolute before which individuals and groups are relative."
    Benito Mussolini - The Doctrine of Fascism

    "The State is only a means to an end. Its end and its purpose are to preserve and promote a community of human beings who are physically as well as spiritually kindred. States which do not serve this purpose have no justification for their existence. They are monstrosities."
    Adolf Hitler - Mein Kampf

    "I am the first Servant of my State" - Kaiser Wilhelm II
    (a quote rarely understood, but Hitler shared this view, it's Race/Folk -> Nation (the entirety of Race/Folk/Culture) -> State (political organisation of the Nation to SERVE the Nation.)


    NS was not against private property, it was not against entrepeneurs, it was not against individual rights. It also was not against private business and a market economy driven by private and public business. Only circulating money creates value.

    What NS was against and intented to crush was the "financial markets", stock exchange, big private banking, and specially the currency issuing from privately owned banks like the FED (and since WWII, basically all socalled "national banks" which are all owned by Rothschild, except for the 7 "rogue states" that Bush coined the axis of evil), aka Fiat Money, which derives its "value" from indepting the state with a never repayable burden which increases, by design, ever further and extracts created value (through real-world business) from the Nation. This is what "anti-capitalism" means in terms of NS, this system had to be crushed.

    I would assume that at some point we had ended up with an economy structured like that of Japan actually. It's a controlled and guided "free market" where inter-dependend businesses are bound together in a strict checks-and-balances system to prevent any one party from trying to rip off other businesses. They are forced to work together and in mutual interest in order to florish, ultimately watched over by "the Ministry" (an army of state employees who make sure this is realised). The system of hierarchy in Japan does not express itself in vastly economic differences. Societal hierarchy is a mixture of hereditary standing and merit largely independend from income. There is no "minimum wage" in Japan, yet people earn a whole lot more than in "western" countries. This is achieved through a limit put on CEO income, which cannot be more than 9 (I think) times that of workers within the respective "cartell". So in order for a CEO to increase his own income, which is his perfect right, he also has to raise the wage paid for workers, thus enforcing the "tickling down" of value created to the common people. This system is being systematically targeted through international capitalism since the mid/late 90s and in many aspects already eroded, since the coup against Japan in 2011 it's most likely going downhill rapidly. But imho it was a great system, and one able to fend off the evils of greed.

    Another btw:
    Gun Control:
    Hitler lowered the age from 20 to 18 right after taking control, reversing limitations and prohibitions instated through the Communist Weimar Republic. Of course, limitations were in place for the Jews/Communists, and mechanisms to take weapons off them. In 1938 the law largely deregulated acquisition and possession of guns and rifles and ammunition for Germans entirely. All limitations were only directed against foreign nationals and Jews residing in Germany.

    NS is not communism. NS is not anti-business. NS is not against private property. NS is not against individual freedom. NS is not against gun ownership. NS however holds that the actions of individuals and businesses must serve, or at least not damage, the common good, social cohesion etc. If they do, they are in trouble. It's called law enforcement, the core role of the state to safeguard order.
    Hitler betrayed the principles of National Socialism when he eradicated the truly Socialist element of the NSDAP during the murderous Night of the Long Knives-the first act of infamy by the Third Reich. Instead he allied himself with big business and the Junker class. This prevented the National Socialist revolution from reaching fruition. Hitler was clearly a believer in capitalism and not a genuine National Socialist at all.

    Part of the success of the NSDAP in the 1933 election was due to capitalist support and backing. On taking office he engaged in a massive privatisation of state industries. This runs contrary to a true Socialist economy where the producers of the wealth, the workers have control of the production of wealth and enjoy the fruits of their labour rather than their capitalist exploiters. He was in bed with the big corporations and resisted all efforts by the Strasser brothers to create genuine Socialist reform in Germany. Indeed during the course of the 1930s Hitler reprivatised the banks. Hardly a Socialist policy. Hitler never had any genuine intention of redistributing wealth to the masses. His adoption of the term 'National Socialist' was nothing but a cynical ruse to garner support from the masses to enable him to achieve electoral success and then he used the same masses as cannon fodder in insane wars of conquest. Now whilst he pretended to be a Socialist genuine National Socialists continued to push for reform and to introduce a true Socialist economy and State within Germany. This was why Gregor Strasser and the leadership of the SA which represented the left wing of the party were exterminated.

    It is no good quoting from Mein Kampf as I regard his book as pure propaganda which in all likelihood was authored by Rudolf Hess. Hitler's courtship of big business (including wealthy Jews) was to enable him to obtain and then maintain power and thus he betrayed the trust of the German people. If the Strasserite faction of the NSDAP had have been successful a true revolution would have been enacted and a disastrous and genocidal war could have been avoided.

    And yes the Third Reich WAS totalitarian as evidenced by its locking up of anyone in concentration camps that had alternative opinions to the NSDAP. It was utterly repressive. Why incarcerate Rune Magicians and Astrologers for the Gods' sake?

    The fact that you support capitalism at all is an indication that you are not a genuine National SOCIALIST. You should take out the SOCIALIST part away from your stated political affiliation in your profile and say what you really are-a Nationalist!

    Gun control? Stop derailing my threads!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Hitler betrayed the principles of National Socialism when he eradicated the truly Socialist element of the NSDAP during the murderous Night of the Long Knives-the first act of infamy by the Third Reich. Instead he allied himself with big business and the Junker class. This prevented the National Socialist revolution from reaching fruition. Hitler was clearly a believer in capitalism and not a genuine National Socialist at all.

    Part of the success of the NSDAP in the 1933 election was due to capitalist support and backing. On taking office he engaged in a massive privatisation of state industries. This runs contrary to a true Socialist economy where the producers of the wealth, the workers have control of the production of wealth and enjoy the fruits of their labour rather than their capitalist exploiters. He was in bed with the big corporations and resisted all efforts by the Strasser brothers to create genuine Socialist reform in Germany.
    What you call "true socialist economy" is straight out Marxism/Communism. NS overcame the nonsense therein and extracted useful elements, while submitting them to serve the Race/Folk - the individual as well as the community / society as a whole.

    Of course Hitler reversed the Communist Weimar Republic "nationalisation" of everything. It's not a betrayal of NS.
    In the Communist Weimar Republic thousands of people starved to death in the streets, because Communist state ownership of everything doesnt work.

    What one wants in public ownership is infrastructure, water supply, electricity supply, telefone, streets and autobahns, because this is the duty of the state to provide infrastructure (Romans built streets and public bathhouses everywhere they came) on which individuals and businesses can thrive. But why should VW or Thyssen or Aldi or the craftman shop down the street be stateowned? There's no point. NS was about balancing public and private interests in order to create an environment for the Folk and Culture to florish. The economy was to serve that goal, economy is not an end in itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by W.K.
    The Strasser brothers were clearly anti-capitalist and with the Night of the Long Knives the German National Socialist revolution was curtailed and Germany embarked on a disastrous path of militarism.
    Hitler's natural instinct was to side with the leftwing/old comrades of the NSDAP when forced to make a choice between them and the army (and he kept delaying the decision, very unusual of him), he preferred Strasser and Rohm over the army. But then what - civil war? Foreign intervention? The death of NS in its infancy? Germany partitioned, carved up between the NSDAP and a military junta? I understand Hitler's decision.
    "After the year 1900 people will become unrecognisable. When the time for the Advent of the Antichrist approaches, peoples minds will grow cloudy from carnal passions, and dishonour and lawlessness will grow stronger. Peoples appearances will change, and it will be impossible to distinguish men from women due to there shamelessness in dress and style of hair. These people will be cruel and will be like wild animals because of the temptations of the Antichrist. There will be no respect for parents or elders, love will disappear, and Christian pastors, bishops, and priests will become vain men, completely failing to distinguish the right hand way from the left. At that time the morals and traditions of Christians and the Church will change. People will abandon modesty, and dissipation will reign. Falsehood and greed will attain great proportions, and woe to those who pile up treasures. Lust, adultery, homosexuality, secret deeds and murder will rule in society." - St. Nilus, 430 AD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astragoth View Post
    Well said Velet
    I don't think I can add anything to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    What you call "true socialist economy" is straight out Marxism/Communism. NS overcame the nonsense therein and extracted useful elements, while submitting them to serve the Race/Folk - the individual as well as the community / society as a whole.

    Of course Hitler reversed the Communist Weimar Republic "nationalisation" of everything. It's not a betrayal of NS.
    In the Communist Weimar Republic thousands of people starved to death in the streets, because Communist state ownership of everything doesnt work.

    What one wants in public ownership is infrastructure, water supply, electricity supply, telefone, streets and autobahns, because this is the duty of the state to provide infrastructure (Romans built streets and public bathhouses everywhere they came) on which individuals and businesses can thrive. But why should VW or Thyssen or Aldi or the craftman shop down the street be stateowned? There's no point. NS was about balancing public and private interests in order to create an environment for the Folk and Culture to florish. The economy was to serve that goal, economy is not an end in itself.

    The deprivation of the German people is the result not of the Weimar Republic itself but of the inhumane and degrading Versailles Diktat and the financial collapse in the 1920s. My mother lived through the Second Reich, Weimar Republic and the Third Reich so I am a bit closer in time to those events then you are. So there was very little time for the initiatives of the Weimar Republic to take effect. Furthermore the disgusting tactics of the vindictive French made things even more difficult for the German people.

    Hitler's 'economic miracle' was partly brought about by the selling of the 'family silver', the privatisation of State owned industries and the banks, thus robbing the Volk of what should have remained their assetts. This is typical capitalism and ultimately it is not the people who benefit but the rich elite. The same thing happened in the United Kingdom from 1997 onwards under war criminal Blair, a fake Socialist who in reality was a Thatcherite. Hitler in a similar way was a fake Socialist, a fake National Socialist who used the trappings and appearance of Socialism to deceive the people into believing that he had their best interests at heart and thus garnering their votes. In reality all he was interested in was using the German people as a pawn in a chess game, a geopolitical chess game. He was thus very little different from all statesmen in this regard. Essentially a megalomaniac. The allegation that Drumpf kept a copy of Mein Kamp by his bedside according to his first wife Ivana Drumpf, if true is an indication of how he may have used Hitler's duplicitous tactics to fool the masses (again!). Like Hitler, eager to make a name for himself he will lead that country down the war path unless he is stopped.

    Believe it or not I was happy when Drumpf was elected for I too was initially fooled by his lies of 'no regime change', not starting wars, not meddling in the Middle East and wanting closer ties to Russia. We now know that he is a congenital liar and that none of these promises will be fulfilled. Far from "draining the swamp" he has dived headlong into it and is wallowing in it. Instead we are all that much closer to nuclear destruction thanks to this fat, bumbling, orange skinned oaf.

    The workers, the people, Das Volk must control and own collectively the means of production for in this way the whole Volk benefits and aids their racial advancement. Capitalism creates divides and polarises society. Indeed this has intensified in recent years. It is also the catalyst for the destruction of our environment and for war. Indeed it is responsible for mass immigration for this benefits employers in suppressing the wages of their workers whilst enhancing their ill-begotten gains even more. The capitalist is the ultimate parasite upon the body of the Volk and ultimately it must be removed as a cancer would be removed. Capitalism must be destroyed!

    Hitler's natural instinct was to side with the leftwing/old comrades of the NSDAP when forced to make a choice between them and the army (and he kept delaying the decision, very unusual of him), he preferred Strasser and Rohm over the army. But then what - civil war? Foreign intervention? The death of NS in its infancy? Germany partitioned, carved up between the NSDAP and a military junta? I understand Hitler's decision.
    Chlodovech, I am not anti-Hitler; indeed I have a reproduction cast iron bust of him on display! No, I am merely pointing out his many mistakes. His rejection of true Socialism-racial Socialism, National Socialism in favour of the Jewish dominated capitalist and Junker elite led to the thwarting and the fruition of a true National Socialist State. He betrayed the principles of the movement and he betrayed his alte Kameraden-even having them murdered contrary to all standards of justice and jurisprudence. The Night of the Long Knives was a criminal act which went unpunished. Far better to have called the army's bluff and if needs be have a bloody revolution. Better that than the betrayal of the whole idea. The SA were a formidable force and had the support of the Volk. Indeed the SA amounted to 2,000,000 men which was 20 times the size of the diminished Reichswehr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Hitler was clearly a believer in capitalism and not a genuine National Socialist at all.
    And you base this assumption on events that you weren't there for, what you read in history books.

    In the Table Talks (Feb. 6, 1942, translated properly), he said, I do not believe in the idealism of one people paying an eternal debt to others. In the surrounding context, he said, I’ve examined this problem in all its aspects, turned it round in all directions. In Mein Kampf, he described his examination of the problems in Vienna the same way: My daily experiences were a constant stimulus to study the most diverse problems from new angles. And Kubizek described him similarly, saying that Hitler would inquire into the problems of the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    It is no good quoting from Mein Kampf as I regard his book as pure propaganda which in all likelihood was authored by Rudolf Hess.
    As soon as something Hitler adhered to contradicts one's own private notions, the adherent typically either dismisses the pertaining literature as propaganda, interpolated, unreliable, etc. or says he was wrong, he made a mistake, he was confused. It's usually Christians who do this. In your case, you seem to eliminate practically every source that isn't mainstream. Elsewhere I'm pretty sure you said you considered his speeches propaganda. You also said the memoirs of his associates were unreliable compared to mainstream historians. What then? Are you going to eliminate the Table Talks and Platterhof talks too? You do realize that with this approach of yours you're essentially saying that Hitler was a complete and total liar.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Hitler's courtship of big business (including wealthy Jews) was to enable him to obtain and then maintain power and thus he betrayed the trust of the German people.
    Henry Goldman (who had styled himself as a supporter of Germany) would beg to differ. He explicitly warned Ambassador James Grover McDonald not to become an apologist for Hitler's regime. In April 8, 1933, McDonald described him as a broken old man, completely different from the guy two months ago (February 1933).

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    And yes the Third Reich WAS totalitarian as evidenced by its locking up of anyone in concentration camps that had alternative opinions to the NSDAP. It was utterly repressive. Why incarcerate Rune Magicians and Astrologers for the Gods' sake?
    Occultist quacks turn people to hope in the afterlife and shed all responsibility for future generations. (I noticed you've expressed several times how you're thankful you won't get to experience what's coming. Isn't that just as one-sided as the Christian and atheistic disposition? One life in the physical world, then either nothingness or a retreat to an arbitrary distant world)

    If occultists were running the show and all the Jews on earth were killed off, we would all want off this earth. The Jews are the only people in the world who are completely materialistic, having no conception of afterlife. They are a necessary evil and Hitler recognized this, valuing Trotsky and Marx from that perspective. His mentor Dietrich Eckart wrote (in a piece reproduced by Rosenberg) that the Jews embodied "world affirmation" as a condition of man's existence. Hitler used the exact same expression "condition of man's existence" in describing idealism in Mein Kampf. Put these two together and you must admit that either these two men conceived of a balance between materialism and idealism or that Hitler overemphasized idealism. And yet he explicitly said in a November 8, 1941 speech that he regarded himself as a materialist. His treatment of this world's problems ends at the matter aspect (like with Aristotle, as described by Proclus).

    The perverse teachings that have been labeled as gnosticism are misinterpretations of teachings from the Stoics and Platonists. Escape from the body didn't mean a literal escape from reincarnating into the physical world, but achieving freedom from passions and vices.

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    The fact that you support capitalism at all is an indication that you are not a genuine National SOCIALIST. You should take out the SOCIALIST part away from your stated political affiliation in your profile and say what you really are-a Nationalist!
    And here we have the Christian mentality which condemns those who disagree with them to hellfire. The principle of exclusion should only be exercised against Jews and occasional halfcastes.

    Furthermore, you employ the term socialism in it's corrupted sense. Socialism itself is a hijacked term. When Apollonius of Tyana employed the term (communism), comparing humans to sparrows, he intended something other than a community of property.

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    My mother lived through the Second Reich, Weimar Republic and the Third Reich so I am a bit closer in time to those events then you are.
    That's quite the boast. And what was her political ideology? Again, you didn't live through any of that.

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    The allegation that Drumpf kept a copy of Mein Kamp by his bedside according to his first wife Ivana Drumpf, if true is an indication of how he may have used Hitler's duplicitous tactics to fool the masses (again!). Like Hitler, eager to make a name for himself he will lead that country down the war path unless he is stopped.
    Except Hitler shunned nepotism. He never gave his nephew William Patrick Stuart-Houston a place in the government, for which his nephew wrote a letter of complaint to FDR.

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    Chlodovech, I am not anti-Hitler; indeed I have a reproduction cast iron bust of him on display!
    That says nothing about allegiance. There are people who collect “Nazi” memorabilia for a living. I don't own a physical copy of Mein Kampf, Table Talks, etc. and my house is completely devoid of NS symbolism.

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    No, I am merely pointing out his many mistakes.
    No, you're undermining his credibility and authority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    The deprivation of the German people is the result not of the Weimar Republic itself but of the inhumane and degrading Versailles Diktat and the financial collapse in the 1920s. My mother lived through the Second Reich, Weimar Republic and the Third Reich so I am a bit closer in time to those events then you are. So there was very little time for the initiatives of the Weimar Republic to take effect. Furthermore the disgusting tactics of the vindictive French made things even more difficult for the German people.
    You're not any nearer to the 1920s than I am. My grandmother was born in 1907, lived through both wars, my mother was born 1937. Can I therefore claim to be "closer" to anything? No. And so cant you.

    That aside, yes, the communist-marxist Weimar Republic was in itself a catastrophe for Germany, it was literally Sodom and Gomorrha, porn promotion and what not, the whole collection of the (((Frankfurt School))) Cultural Marxism that is shoved down our throats today again.

    The economic looting of Germany added to this, of course, the real desaster was the Jew-promotion of every perversion imaginable, however.

    Hitler's 'economic miracle' was partly brought about by the selling of the 'family silver', the privatisation of State owned industries and the banks, thus robbing the Volk of what should have remained their assetts.
    Hitler's economic miracle was mostly brought about through a rigorous modernisation of Germany. His first "army" were thousands of people building the Autobahn network, giving in turn thousands of people actual paid work from which they could live.

    He created jobs also through the expressed will to mobilise Germany, ie affordable cars, inspired through Ford's Tin Lizzy, which became the Beetle here, built by VW. Why should VW be a "national industry"? The state was only a "passive" incentive in this, with Thyssen/Krupp and other industries the state became, necessarily, the biggest customer, because the Weimar Republic and the de-industrialisation of the Rheinland and other industrial centers had trashed half of Germany. There was still no point in "nationalising" these industries.

    The currency reform and subsequent issuing of Reichsmark was through the State, usury-free money.
    There was also a state-run credit bank for rebuilding of Germany, families were supported building homes, and each child did away with 25% of the remaining debt. With just 4 children you could get a house for free. If that's not Socialism I dont know what is, really.

    You see, the thing is, that when you do have such a state-bank that issues the currency and credits the rebuilding, there can be private banks below, independent of that, for other purposes that are none of the State's business. And this is exactly what Hitler did, he allowed for individual effords and initiatives without loading the burden onto the State (at the end of the day, the tax-payer). If a private bank defaults, it's entirely the private bank's problem. And in a seperated system like this there are no "too big to fail" banks either.

    This is typical capitalism and ultimately it is not the people who benefit but the rich elite. The same thing happened in the United Kingdom from 1997 onwards under war criminal Blair, a fake Socialist who in reality was a Thatcherite. Hitler in a similar way was a fake Socialist, a fake National Socialist who used the trappings and appearance of Socialism to deceive the people...
    Again, the nonsense you're spouting is plain Communism, not National Socialism. For the love of the gods, learn the damn difference. Maybe there was a (exactly this) reason why Strasser was identified as enemy? There were enough "ex-commie" idiots who had to be idea-battled all the time, a communist subversive element like Strasser was too much maybe.


    The allegation that Drumpf kept a copy of Mein Kamp by his bedside according to his first wife Ivana Drumpf, if true is an indication of how he may have used Hitler's duplicitous tactics to fool the masses (again!). Like Hitler, eager to make a name for himself he will lead that country down the war path unless he is stopped.
    One: the name is Trump. We all know you despise him like nothing else in this world, but this is just low-level ridiculous and degrades you more than him.

    Second: what do you want to see in America? World-War 3- Hillary? Outright communist "Feel the Bern" Sanders with Hillary in the background nuking half the globe for her Saudi-Israeli friends?

    As much as there are objectable aspects about Trump, BE GLAD it is him sitting in White House, otherwise Europe would already be a glimmering pile of dust.


    The workers, the people, Das Volk must control and own collectively the means of production for in this way the whole Volk benefits and aids their racial advancement.
    Can you please stop promoting Marxism? I could scream and puke reading terms like "collective means of production".
    THIS IS COMMUNISM!!!

    But well, you were sporting the Antifa-Anarchy symbol, now you're sporting the Communist/NazBol (I mean, srsly?!?) star...what's next? Camus and his Anarcho-Communism?

    Capitalism creates divides and polarises society. Indeed this has intensified in recent years. It is also the catalyst for the destruction of our environment and for war. Indeed it is responsible for mass immigration for this benefits employers in suppressing the wages of their workers whilst enhancing their ill-begotten gains even more. The capitalist is the ultimate parasite upon the body of the Volk and ultimately it must be removed as a cancer would be removed. Capitalism must be destroyed!
    Hitler wasnt a Capitalist, I explained to you what the evil part actually is which must be destroyed (back then and today alike), the solution to this problem however is not Communism. How that worked out, look to Russia. It's not the people who owned anything there, under Communism, it was the State.

    Communism wasnt invented by "the people" to overthrow the bankers. Communism was invented by bankers to enslave the people in "eternal revolution", "class struggle" and futile "equalisation", aka dumping down of everything and everyone. The cultural being was eradicated, people became cattle. It is also not supposed to be otherwise in Communism, and it cannot be otherwise, because Communism is designed to be the "eternal revolution" and to destroy, it's not supposed to achieve anything in the real world. Marx himself said, about his "system": 'if this ever becomes real, RUN! so far as your feet carry you'.

    National Socialism on the other hand did not seek to equalise everything to the lowest common denominator, a society without hierarchy does not work and is fundamentally out-of-touch dystopian.

    NS sought to eliminate the enmity between the classes, foster working together instead of against each other, balance the valid interests of both sides, in contrast to Communism that tried to eradicate classes by trashing everything, first of all killing off the intelligentia for they will always stick out of the dumping ground that society and the human being becomes under communism.

    NS was not dogmatically bound by or limited through pre-existing "all-or-nothing" ideologies. Not saying that everything was perfect, but at least they tried to actually uplift the people.

    You are trying to press NS into a dogmatic communist corsett under the guise of "purifying socialism", with a fundamental lack of understanding of human nature and social structures.
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