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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    No, I am not a misogynist. See my article: https://aryan-myth-and-metahistory.blogspot.com/2017/06/white-
    sharia-personal-view.html

    I went to a great deal of trouble arguing with the degenerates on the Daily Stormer forum on this very same issue. Men and women have very different functions.

    I do not believe that a woman's brain is hardwired for political cut and thrust.

    A society run by women would only result in despotism as history has demonstrated. We are seeing that now with the rise of 'Big Sister'.
    Sounds idealistic (I concur that the white nationalism is a predominantly American thing which has nothing to do with Europe), but also sounds like an excuse to pin the blame on Christianity. Certainly the churches have systematically opposed rights for women and Catholic dominated Spain was one of the last nations to emancipate their slaves, but you can't lump in all white nationalists as Christians. Renegade Tribune is clearly pagan.

    I've also interacted with the degenerates on Daily Stormer (and DS refugees on Purity Spiral). I think at least 50% of the posters identified as Catholic, but there were also pagans and agnostics. They were stubborn, but not outright immune to reason. Their admiration for people like Goebbels is genuine, but misguided.

    Cite some examples from “history” for me, please.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Historians are now coming to the view that the concept of ancient matriarchal societies has been somewhat overplayed.
    A people don't die out for a lack of men. Hitler argued that a society with more women than men furnishes competition for self-preservation. Jealousy in women should not be looked upon as a vice, but as an instinctive virtue. This was it's original form before it degenerated into cruel excesses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    No, I have not "completely overlooked" the sources, I have simply disputed their political involvement.
    Are you a philologist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Yes, I take the personal view that Hitler's Table Talk is reliable as far as I can ascertain.
    Well, well, well, so you don't outright dismiss this source like with the others. I'll keep that noted as reference.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Ad hominem for which I expect an apology. I am NOT a Jew. My grandfather Hermann August Wilhelm Bock was a veteran of WWI, a buglar who was wounded at least 3 times (I have seen newspaper evidence) and a recipient of the Iron Cross. He was by occupation a self employed Stone Mason who died at the age of 46 from dust on his lungs from his job. If I were a Jew or my grandfather were a Jew then my mother would never have been permitted to marry a member of the SS. So retract your remark!
    Fine, sorry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    On the contrary it is very well documented. See Professor Eric Kurlander's Hitler's Monsters, 2017.
    Still in the process of obtaining this book. At least provide us with an excerpt. You've obviously had no difficulty keeping up with velvet and I despite your old age.

    Btw these links advise caution in taking Kurlander's arguments for granted. The first link lists several reviews which have ignored historian Julian Strube's critiques.

    https://blavatskynews2.blogspot.com/...kurlander.html
    http://correspondencesjournal.com/wp...ube_review.pdf

    However, it is exactly these strengths that make this study especially ambiguous, as the lines between solid research and the full spectrum of sensationalist, biased, and spurious literature are frequently blurred. These sources may be distinguishable for experts, but not necessarily for others, which makes their appearances at the core of a serious academic study particularly misleading.
    The quote suggests that Kurlander is not suited for regular readers. You are taking a huge risk by employing his works exclusively.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Hitler deliberately avoided any discussion of his interests in the Occult. Naturally he would have been anxious about how this could be perceived, not just by Joe Public but people within his circles. Hitler's horoscope and that of Germany in 1945 are a matter of record.
    Speculative. He explicitly confided his interests in Odic force to Otto Wagener. He also disclosed his formulations on fate (which even Rosenberg was not privy to). Wagener never mentioned Hanussen. You're grasping at straws here on the faint hope that Hitler withhold discussing Hanussen with his inner circle. Hitler had no problems discussing Nostradamus, for which there is much more credibility.

    Furthermore, both Heinrich Hoffman and Otto Dietrich dismissed the notion that Hitler was superstitious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    What are you inferring?
    I do not believe that Germans at heart are fierce, barbaric, wild, etc. The Jews cast the Egyptians in a similar mould.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Spoken like a true despot (Hitler that is).
    Unity on the basis of necessity is incomparably superior to unity based on opportunism. Your recent point demonstrates petty bourgeois thinking:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    If we are both against the elites then that is something we have in common. There is more, much more that unites us than divides us. The elite relies on our people being divided into the false French revolution era 'left' and 'right'. Is it not time that we move beyond that for the sake of our shared German and Germanic blood?
    Big deal, pretty much everyone turns against the elites, the bankers, the "satanist Luciferians", etc. without understanding their motives. There is a total lack of understanding for why psychopaths do what they do. Have you even listened to testimony from psychopaths? There's plenty on YouTube. In order to effectively fight with monsters, one must also learn to think and see things from their pov. It's not sufficient to merely speculate on their views (as you have been doing with Hitler) or put them into a favorable mould (opportunistic). Hitler understood this when he described the Jew's parasitism:

    It thinks: "if I can no longer engage in my parasitism in its previous form, then I must simply look for some opportunity in the new, the coming form. Until now, it was my highest aim to gain power in the state in order to secure my domination and my way of life. Now, if new forms of government develop, we must simply try to seize power in the newly formed state." - Memoirs of a Confidant

    They said: “Yes, their social experiment is very dangerous! If it takes hold, and our own workers come to see this too, then this will be highly disquieting. It costs billions and does not bring any results. It cannot be expressed in terms of profit, nor of dividends. What is the point?! We are not interested in such a development. We welcome everything which serves the material progress of mankind insofar as this progress translates into economic profit. But social experiments, all they are doing here, this can only lead to the awakening of greed in the masses. Then we will have to descend from our pedestal. - September 4, 1940 speech
    As for me, I mostly consider myself as an artificial Jew. The German's promised land is not for me. In the last resort, the Jew can only be brought down from within. Otto Weininger and Uriel da Costa furnish graphic examples.

    Most people are still incapable of identifying the chief element of such enemies. Alex Jones, Ronald Bernard, "elite whistleblowers", etc. either neglect to name the Jew or deliberately downplay their involvement. In any case, the unifying factor here is just a common interest/threat, just like with the Jews. The Western capitalists temporarily allied with the Soviet communists then went back to clawing at each other's throats. The Christians and pagans would eat each other's hearts out if they were united purely on common interest/threat. Islamic “prophecy” even anticipates a subsequent conflict between Muslims and a sect of Christians after they've defeated mainstream Christianity.

    All the more reason for me to bring back a Hitler type in Germany. To make a point to the world! Unity based on primitive instinct cannot be considered unity in the slightest. Are we just ants and bees who cannot rise above the collective? The old adages "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and "he who is not with me is against me" perfectly illustrates this point. If it takes a Hitler to unite everyone against him, then that only proves how primitive the human community is. In this respect, he is the perfect, ideal teaching instrument.

    Unity should be based on mutual understanding and aid instead of reparations, eternal debt, and expectations of reward. I would argue that the type of unity achieved by Hitler was much more than just giving them a common enemy (as Aleister Crowley put it), a common interest, or a common identity. He could be called a type of Pythagoras, who was also erroneously linked up with mysticism/occultism, despite his contributions to mathematics and science and the systematization of the Greek worldview. Hitler was at least on the level of Nietzsche in his perspective thinking, but his contribution was not so negative and contradictory since he had a firm foundation for his views (the ancient Greeks and Copernicans), which were where Nietzsche started off from in his career before he ended up near nihilism.

    Here he indicates some familiarity with systematic thinking: "The material which we have acquired through reading must not be stored up in the memory on a plan that corresponds to the successive chapters of the book, but each little piece of knowledge thus gained must be treated as if it were a little stone to be inserted into a mosaic, so that it finds its proper place among all the other pieces and particles that help to form a general world-picture in the brain of the reader."

    Plus, despite your recognition that they divide the people with Left/Right identity politics, you have nonetheless been advocating this sort of artificial division.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Not the same as the Germanic caste system although they both derived from the original Proto-Indo-European or Aryan system. The Sudra caste is unique to the Indian system as this caste of thralls were non-Aryan. The Germanic peoples did not as a rule encounter aliens and so there are just 3 castes, this is a reflection of the tripartite division of the Gods by function according to Dumezil.
    Hitler suggested that if the Germans had acquired a working caste, they would have experienced a cultural blossoming like that of the Greeks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    National Socialist groups were already in existence before Hitler joined the German Workers Party. They just did not use that label.
    That's the same excuse Christians (i.e. St. Augustine) use to justify the preexistence of their creed. Hitler's NS was completely original and exclusive to him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    And Hollywood Nazism is a vote winner?
    Of course not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    As the New Testament says, the love of it is the 'root of all evil'. Eliminate money, eliminate ownership of land and natural selection will breed these human types out of our gene pool.
    So you quote from the Bible when it supports your views.

    The root of all evil is laziness. The aim of those who have a love of money is to "sit back and do nothing" and exploit others.

    All these people who seem to recognize no greater good than power, wealth, and admiration, who will stop at nothing, sneering at every hazard and obstacle, to gain these things, bringing unending turbulence into their lives to that end – these people are, fundamentally and to a man, sensual and leisurely people... They want to become powerful, rich, and admired – “so they can then sit back and do nothing, enjoy life, and relax. They are active for the purpose of becoming inactive.”
    - Adam Weishaupt, Diogenes' Lamp

    Chaos demands indifference to thrive. It's effective because most people are inclined to laziness. The view of work as a necessity is what distinguishes man from animals, humanists (i.e. Thomas Jefferson, Albert Pike, Goethe) from the masses.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    We can gladly discuss Hitler's (misguided) obsession with Roman stuff to the point of ditching Germanic aesthetics, culture etc and I'd be right there with you.
    Actually, it was with Greece. Hitler's private ideology is rooted in ancient Greek teachings, which the Romans appropriated.

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    Sounds idealistic (I concur that the white nationalism is a predominantly American thing which has nothing to do with Europe), but also sounds like an excuse to pin the blame on Christianity. Certainly the churches have systematically opposed rights for women and Catholic dominated Spain was one of the last nations to emancipate their slaves, but you can't lump in all white nationalists as Christians. Renegade Tribune is clearly pagan.
    Yes White Nationalism is predominately American. Due to their history they see things in terms of 'black and white' whilst here in Europe we tend to focus more on ethnicity. I am not however saying that they are all Christians but there are more of them who are than in Europe. I do not believe that any of them are genuine Christians because of their behaviour (not very loving) and because Christianity when you examine the New Testament is clearly opposed to racialism unless it is favour of the Jew. As most of them are anti-Jewish it amuses me to see how they keep harping on about their Jewish saviour. The irony is lost on them. I am listed as an 'author' on Renegade Tribune although you will only find one of my articles on there. I do not agree with everything on that website.

    I've also interacted with the degenerates on Daily Stormer (and DS refugees on Purity Spiral). I think at least 50% of the posters identified as Catholic, but there were also pagans and agnostics. They were stubborn, but not outright immune to reason. Their admiration for people like Goebbels is genuine, but misguided.
    I would be surprised if there were as many Catholics as that-seems quite a high percentage. A small minority of them I could reason with but I found the majority to be unthinking, uncritical, extremely racist (I am folkish and racialist but I do not hate other races), some openly calling for genocide. Many are extremely misogynist, calling for 'white sharia' (again the irony is lost on them) and they are servile towards Anglin who went from race-mixing 'anti-fascist' to a neo-nutzi within months. I wonder who else is funding him? The CIA? He is a short man with short man syndrome and a very Asiatic phenotype. His forum and website has done a great deal of harm to our collective cause and their remarks regarding Heather Heyer were monstrous and inhumane. We should never gloat about the death of people of our own race, regardless of their politics. It is totally unAryan.


    Cite some examples from “history” for me, please.
    Elizabeth I of England, Mary Queen of Scots, Catherine the Great, Indira Ghandi, Imelda Marcos, Golda Meir, Margaret Thatcher. I dare say that I can think of a few more.


    Are you a philologist?
    Are you? No, I am a qualified linguist.

    Well, well, well, so you don't outright dismiss this source like with the others. I'll keep that noted as reference.
    Noted.

    Fine, sorry.
    Accepted. I will have to answer the rest in a separate post as my computer is freezing!

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    Still in the process of obtaining this book. At least provide us with an excerpt. You've obviously had no difficulty keeping up with velvet and I despite your old age.
    Velvet is a formidable sparring partner.

    Michael Fitzgerald in his The Nazi Occult War (pages 111-112) states "Through the astrological group Hanussen met Hitler and immediately attracted the Nazi leader's attention by telling him he could improve his skills as a public speaker. Instead of being offended Hitler was interested and asked Hanussen to train him. He showed Hitler how to use gesture and body language as well as simply his voice to create a greater impact upon the audience." In a psychological profile prepared by Dr Walter Langer of the O.S.S. in 1943 he referred to lesseons taken by Hitler under Hanussen's guidance in mass speaking. There seems to be no doubt that they met and Hitler was instructed by him. Kurlander states: "For a brief time at least, Hanussen's connections extended into the highest ranks of the NSDAP. In 1932, for example, he managed to get an audience with Hermann Goering. According to some accounts-for which there is no hard evidence-Hanussen met Hitler as well, possibly to provide advice on manipulating the public." In the end notes Kurlander refers to The Mind of Adolf Hitler: The Secret Wartime Report, page 40 by Dr Langer. Although I have not yet obtained a copy apparently Otto Strasser also refers to Hanussen and Hitler in his 1940 book, Hitler and I.

    The quote suggests that Kurlander is not suited for regular readers. You are taking a huge risk by employing his works exclusively.
    He is just one of many sources concerning the involvement of the NSDAP in the occult and Kurlander is an academic, not a sensationalist writer as many authors on this subject are.

    Speculative. He explicitly confided his interests in Odic force to Otto Wagener. He also disclosed his formulations on fate (which even Rosenberg was not privy to). Wagener never mentioned Hanussen.
    Hanussen prepared horoscopes on Hitler and the Third Reich. You can do this without a first hand acquaintance with the subject of a horoscope which surely you must know! However what is more certain is that Hitler received tuition in public speaking from Hanussen. Why would Hitler wish to discuss this with anyone? Surely this could be interpreted as a sign of weakness?

    You're grasping at straws here on the faint hope that Hitler withhold discussing Hanussen with his inner circle. Hitler had no problems discussing Nostradamus, for which there is much more credibility.
    Nostradamus-another Jew!

    Furthermore, both Heinrich Hoffman and Otto Dietrich dismissed the notion that Hitler was superstitious.
    You are presuming that it was in the psychology of Hitler to 'open himself up' to others, particularly people who were on the periphery, not the core of Hitler's life. You misunderstand his psychology entirely.

    I do not believe that Germans at heart are fierce, barbaric, wild, etc. The Jews cast the Egyptians in a similar mould.
    I do not know what your ethnicity is, whether you have German ancestry or not but I do and I know what is in the German soul. I have also read widely on early Germanic history and I am telling you that you are making a grave mistake if you compare (as you have a tendency to do) the soul of the German with that of the Greek. They are entirely different animals. This barbaric nature of the German is reflected in our primary deity, Woden who can be traced back to the archaic storm giant, Wode. See my article: http://celto-germanic.blogspot.com/2...-of-storm.html 'Civilisation' is but a thin veneer on my ancestors. I have seen my late mother when she really got angry-'wuetend' as the Germans say.

    Unity on the basis of necessity is incomparably superior to unity based on opportunism. Your recent point demonstrates petty bourgeois thinking:
    I had a 'petite bourgeois' upbringing. I do try to overcome it but it is not always easy!

    Big deal, pretty much everyone turns against the elites, the bankers, the "satanist Luciferians", etc. without understanding their motives. There is a total lack of understanding for why psychopaths do what they do. Have you even listened to testimony from psychopaths?
    Once again you are going off on a tangent. Please stick to the point and address my comment as I have written it!

    As for me, I mostly consider myself as an artificial Jew. The German's promised land is not for me. In the last resort, the Jew can only be brought down from within. Otto Weininger and Uriel da Costa furnish graphic examples.
    A strange remark: I do not know what to make of you!

    Most people are still incapable of identifying the chief element of such enemies. Alex Jones, Ronald Bernard, "elite whistleblowers", etc. either neglect to name the Jew or deliberately downplay their involvement. In any case, the unifying factor here is just a common interest/threat, just like with the Jews. The Western capitalists temporarily allied with the Soviet communists then went back to clawing at each other's throats.
    I agree.

    The Christians and pagans would eat each other's hearts out if they were united purely on common interest/threat. Islamic “prophecy” even anticipates a subsequent conflict between Muslims and a sect of Christians after they've defeated mainstream Christianity.
    Google RAGNAROK-KORANGAR and WALHALLA-ALLAHLAW The real conflict is between Woden and the Judeo-Christian-Islamic anti-'god'. Islam is Judaism mark III.

    All the more reason for me to bring back a Hitler type in Germany.
    The founder of my Order teaches that the Widar archetype will arise here in England, not in Germany. Germany had its opportunity.

    He could be called a type of Pythagoras, who was also erroneously linked up with mysticism/occultism, despite his contributions to mathematics and science and the systematization of the Greek worldview. Hitler was at least on the level of Nietzsche in his perspective thinking, but his contribution was not so negative and contradictory since he had a firm foundation for his views (the ancient Greeks and Copernicans),
    Pease STOP introducing the ancient Greeks into this thread: totally irrelevant!

    Plus, despite your recognition that they divide the people with Left/Right identity politics, you have nonetheless been advocating this sort of artificial division.
    There is nothing "artificial" about the Germanic and Indo-European caste system. It is a reflection of the divine ordering of the functions of the Gods. It would unite, not 'divide'. This is faulty thinking and not derived from a thorough study of the subject. Down here on Midgard we must reflect that which exists in Asgard. The Gods were united, not divided by a tripartite division.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icarus View Post
    Sounds idealistic (I concur that the white nationalism is a predominantly American thing which has nothing to do with Europe), but also sounds like an excuse to pin the blame on Christianity. Certainly the churches have systematically opposed rights for women and Catholic dominated Spain was one of the last nations to emancipate their slaves, but you can't lump in all white nationalists as Christians. Renegade Tribune is clearly pagan.
    There are some nuggets of wisdom within the Bible which are not in themselves tied to Jewish religiosity, such as "threescore years and ten", etc.

    The love of money, the lust for it, for material things is man's undoing. It affects not only his inner spiritual life but his environment, the ecology of Mother Earth. This is why I oppose capitalism and those who support it.


    Hitler copied the aesthetics of classical Greece in terms of Third Reich architecture but the militarism was Roman, indeed Fascist.
    Last edited by Chlodovech; Friday, December 28th, 2018 at 01:15 AM. Reason: Do not full quote unnecessarily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W\otans Krieger View Post
    Elizabeth I of England, Mary Queen of Scots, Catherine the Great, Indira Ghandi, Imelda Marcos, Golda Meir, Margaret Thatcher. I dare say that I can think of a few more.
    That'll take me some time to shift through. Are you suggesting that the English have no great women whatsoever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Michael Fitzgerald in his The Nazi Occult War (pages 111-112) states "Through the astrological group Hanussen met Hitler and immediately attracted the Nazi leader's attention by telling him he could improve his skills as a public speaker. Instead of being offended Hitler was interested and asked Hanussen to train him. He showed Hitler how to use gesture and body language as well as simply his voice to create a greater impact upon the audience."

    In a psychological profile prepared by Dr Walter Langer of the O.S.S. in 1943 he referred to lessons taken by Hitler under Hanussen's guidance in mass speaking. There seems to be no doubt that they met and Hitler was instructed by him.

    Kurlander states: "For a brief time at least, Hanussen's connections extended into the highest ranks of the NSDAP. In 1932, for example, he managed to get an audience with Hermann Goering. According tosome accounts-for which there is no hard evidence-Hanussen met Hitler as well, possibly to provide advice on manipulating the public."

    In the end notes Kurlander refers to The Mind of Adolf Hitler: The Secret Wartime Report, page 40 by Dr Langer.

    Although I have not yet obtained a copy apparently Otto Strasser also refers to Hanussen and Hitler in his 1940 book, Hitler and I.
    I see you're relying heavily on court historians again instead of addressing my inquiries. Why would a Jew help the enemy of his race and why wasn't he recognized for it like Otto Weininger was?

    Concerning Fitzgerald: https://www.goodreads.com/review/sho...ow_action=true

    You sly old fox, you've omitted something important from your narrative:

    According to Strasser, during the early 1920's Hitler took regular lessons in speaking and in mass psychology from a man named Hamissen who was also a practicing astrologer and fortune-teller.”

    Thus, Walter C. Langer did not actually present it as if it were an established fact. In fact, he argues the opposite:

    “Almost all writers have attributed Hitler's confidence to the fact that he is a great believer in astrology and that he is constantly in touch with astrologers who advise him concerning his course of action. This is almost certainly untrue. All of our informants who have known Hitler rather intimately discard the idea as absurd.”

    Honestly, did you just lift that argument from Wikipedia, which likewise conveniently omits that Langer was citing from Strasser?

    Concerning Kurlander: So he basically misreported what he read from Langer? Also, you've completely ignored the review from Julius Straub I posted. Straub posits a very relevant question:

    Why, Kurlander asks, was it only after eight years in power that measures against occultism were taken? ... Regarding future research, a question may be raised here that is not considered by Kurlander: What if the unsteady character of official measures against occultism and the lack of interest in eradicating all occultists simply result from the fact that they were not regarded as particularly important? Is it not simply due to the sensationalist overemphasis on links between occultism and National Socialism, especially since the postwar period, that we direct our attention to these aspects and expect something “extraordinary,” something spectacular?”
    Goebbels wrote (in a June 13, 1941 entry), “All astrologers, magnetopaths, anthroposophists, etc. have been arrested and their entire activities halted. Thus we have finally put an end to these fraudulent operations.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    He is just one of many sources concerning the involvement of the NSDAP in the occult and Kurlander is an academic, not a sensationalist writer as many authors on this subject are.
    Academic, peer-reviewed, diplomas, these are all just means of making oneself important. If they introduced no original ideas and simply repeated arguments invented by other historians, then they are merely intellectual parasites, scroungers at the debate table. Furthermore, all modern schools are guilty of inculcating in their students and encouraging this plagiarist tendency. Direct plagiarism is forbidden, but you can restate what others said and submit it as your own work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Hanussen prepared horoscopes on Hitler and the Third Reich. You can do this without a first hand acquaintance with the subject of a horoscope which surely you must know! However what is more certain is that Hitler received tuition in public speaking from Hanussen. Why would Hitler wish to discuss this with anyone? Surely this could be interpreted as a sign of weakness?
    It's true that he didn't want photos of him practicing in front of a mirror published by Hoffman, but not because it would be perceived as a “sign of weakness”. His concern for his appearance (moustache, hair), abstinence from marriage, remaining in the Catholic church, etc. was strictly political, i.e. to avoid losing supporters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Nostradamus-another Jew!
    Allegedly. Cagliostro and Weishaupt have also been represented as Jews, but it certainly wasn't the case for the latter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    You are presuming that it was in the psychology of Hitler to 'open himself up' to others, particularly people who were on the periphery, not the core of Hitler's life. You misunderstand his psychology entirely.
    It was in the psychology of Hitler to eagerly tell people about his interests. His conversations at the dining table furnish graphic proof of this. Everyone in attendance was obliged to hear him out. He would go all out to persuade people from eating meat, citing examples from the animal kingdom and even African tribes and other nationalities (i.e. Italians).

    And who would you identify as Hitler's inner circle huh? He specifically identified Bormann and Goebbels in his Political Testament as the people closest to him and both were staunchly opposed to occultism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    I do not know what your ethnicity is, whether you have German ancestry or not but I do and I know what is in the German soul. I have also read widely on early Germanic history and I am telling you that you are making a grave mistake if you compare (as you have a tendency to do) the soul of the German with that of the Greek. They are entirely different animals.

    This barbaric nature of the German is reflected in our primary deity, Woden who can be traced back to the archaic storm giant, Wode. See my article: http://celto-germanic.blogspot.com/2...-of-storm.html 'Civilisation' is but a thin veneer on my ancestors. I have seen my late mother when she really got angry-'wuetend' as the Germans say.
    The ancient Germans were remarkably similar to modern Indians, due to the harsh climate, they were inhibited from developing their bodies. They cultivated an understanding for metaphysics, but also one-sided, unbalanced intellectual growth, which resulted in a penchant for lying, swindles, and lawsuits (similar to Jews, except the Jewish development has always been external). That's why the Lie originated with the Jew and he was called the father of lies.

    Source: Velleius Paterculus

    The Greeks manifested cultural blossoming before Germans due to the warmer climate they ended up in.

    "The real protagonists of culture, both in the thousand years before Christ and in the thousand years after Him, were the peoples of the Mediterranean. This may appear improbable to us to-day, because we are apt to judge these people from present-day appearances. But that is a great mistake." - Table Talk, July 7, 1942

    The tendency to relapse into barbarism is not exclusive to Germans. The basic problem is that "the idea of human solidarity was imposed on men by force, and can be maintained only by the same means" and "the precept that it’s men’s duty to love one another is theory". (Table Talks)

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    A strange remark: I do not know what to make of you!
    The Jews and I go way back, but we've taken different roads. The way I see it, the Jews are going about it all wrong. Destruction should be performed ruthlessly and humanely. Something must put an end to all the artificial divisions. And they're just taking too long. They're just itching to pull the trigger and go haywire, that's what all the nations under their sway are working towards with their stockpiling of weapons, funding and research into dangerous inventions. They just need incentive.

    German emancipation is linked up in a WW3 because war gives rise to heroes, war furnishes the occasion for Germans to be re-armed. They just need to avoid playing for either camp (America, Russia). Hopefully, Russia will receive an idealistic version of Stalin to unite it with Germany, since this is considered the only threat to American interests. But most importantly, the Germans need to secure the support of the Greek people this time around. Their war with Greece (by obligation to Italy) was costly and delayed the invasion of Russia. The Greeks were the only ones among the Balkan states recognized by Hitler, Goebbels, etc. for their heroism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    The founder of my Order teaches that the Widar archetype will arise here in England, not in Germany. Germany had its opportunity.
    England had it's opportunity (which it abused with it's colonialism) and the bulk of the English people are now Jewish in character.

    The English are in all likelihood fated to go the same way as the French.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Please STOP introducing the ancient Greeks into this thread: totally irrelevant!
    The Greeks have yet to be surpassed in the arts and architecture. They are still relevant.

    By artificial division, I was talking about Left/Right, paganism/Christianity, etc., not the caste system.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    There are some nuggets of wisdom within the Bible which are not in themselves tied to Jewish religiosity, such as "threescore years and ten", etc.
    I didn't expect to get a concession out of you. What's your play here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    The love of money, the lust for it, for material things is man's undoing. It affects not only his inner spiritual life but his environment, the ecology of Mother Earth. This is why I oppose capitalism and those who support it.
    At the basis of this love for wealth and prosperity is egotism. Are you suggesting that Jews should be deprived of their egotism? I think they need to be occupied with themselves in order to prevent them from going rampant and destroying everything around them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Hitler copied the aesthetics of classical Greece in terms of Third Reich architecture but the militarism was Roman, indeed Fascist.
    He explicitly said his Germany and the racial laws were modeled on the Spartan constitution and this was confirmed by Anthony Ludovici.

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    That'll take me some time to shift through. Are you suggesting that the English have no great women whatsoever?
    Why do you associate 'greatness' with despotism? Surely the two are not mutually inclusive? A woman's 'greatness' should not be measured by her political power (likewise men also).

    I see you're relying heavily on court historians again instead of addressing my inquiries. Why would a Jew help the enemy of his race and why wasn't he recognized for it like Otto Weininger was?
    Your question starts from a faulty premise that all Jews must de facto be 'enemies' of Germans, Germanics, Indo-Europeans or others. I believe that Hanussen was motivated by financial gain. If you research his life you would probably come to the same conclusion.

    You sly old fox, you've omitted something important from your narrative:
    According to Strasser, during the early 1920's Hitler took regular lessons in speaking and in mass psychology from a man named Hamissen who was also a practicing astrologer and fortune-teller.”

    Thus, Walter C. Langer did not actually present it as if it were an established fact. In fact, he argues the opposite:
    “Almost all writers have attributed Hitler's confidence to the fact that he is a great believer in astrology and that he is constantly in touch with astrologers who advise him concerning his course of action. This is almost certainly untrue. All of our informants who have known Hitler rather intimately discard the idea as absurd.”
    Honestly, did you just lift that argument from Wikipedia, which likewise conveniently omits that Langer was citing from Strasser?
    I obtained my information mainly from Kurlander and the end notes in his book.
    Sorry but I genuinely was not aware of that. I have not read Strasser's 'Hitler and I' (it is currently on my Amazon wish list!)

    Concerning Kurlander: So he basically misreported what he read from Langer? Also, you've completely ignored the review from Julius Straub I posted. Straub posits a very relevant question:
    Goebbels wrote (in a June 13, 1941 entry), “All astrologers, magnetopaths, anthroposophists, etc. have been arrested and their entire activities halted. Thus we have finally put an end to these fraudulent operations.”
    They weren't ALL arrested, not the ones which found favour with the Nazi elite and those who were employed by the Ahnenerbe. Indeed YOU flagrantly ignore the existence of Himmler's Runologist Karl Maria Willigut who was responsible for the arrest of Friedrich Bernhard Marby and Siegfried Adolf Kummer. As Kurlander points out in his book this roundup was quite selective and piecemeal right up to 1945.

    Academic, peer-reviewed, diplomas, these are all just means of making oneself important. If they introduced no original ideas and simply repeated arguments invented by other historians, then they are merely intellectual parasites, scroungers at the debate table. Furthermore, all modern schools are guilty of inculcating in their students and encouraging this plagiarist tendency. Direct plagiarism is forbidden, but you can restate what others said and submit it as your own work.
    I am not a plagiarist. I always give credit where ideas or facts originate from known primary or secondary sources as any regular reader of my blogs can see.


    It's true that he didn't want photos of him practicing in front of a mirror published by Hoffman, but not because it would be perceived as a “sign of weakness”. His concern for his appearance (moustache, hair), abstinence from marriage, remaining in the Catholic church, etc. was strictly political, i.e. to avoid losing supporters.
    You are misinterpreting what I have written. I am referring to the fact that Hitler had to take lessons in public speaking and presentation.

    Allegedly. Cagliostro and Weishaupt have also been represented as Jews, but it certainly wasn't the case for the latter. Really? Perhaps you would care to comment on this: https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/s...uminati_0a.htm
    I have not come to any definite conclusion about Weishaupt but the make up of the surname appears Jewish to me.

    It was in the psychology of Hitler to eagerly tell people about his interests. His conversations at the dining table furnish graphic proof of this. Everyone in attendance was obliged to hear him out. He would go all out to persuade people from eating meat, citing examples from the animal kingdom and even African tribes and other nationalities (i.e. Italians).
    Maybe but not about things that would make him appear to be weak. Public discussion about his reliance upon astrologers would be an indication of weakness to him. Let us not forget that the Ahnenerbe studied all aspects of occultism. http://www.astrology.co.uk/news/worldwar2.htm

    And who would you identify as Hitler's inner circle huh? He specifically identified Bormann and Goebbels in his Political Testament as the people closest to him and both were staunchly opposed to occultism.
    They were comrades, not his sweethearts! Do you reveal your most intimate self to your colleagues?

    The ancient Germans were remarkably similar to modern Indians, due to the harsh climate, they were inhibited from developing their bodies.
    Rubbish! Is this your fantasy or do you have any scientific anthropological evidence to support your theory?

    They cultivated an understanding for metaphysics, but also one-sided, unbalanced intellectual growth, which resulted in a penchant for lying, swindles, and lawsuits (similar to Jews, except the Jewish development has always been external). That's why the Lie originated with the Jew and he was called the father of lies.
    And WHEN precisely did these ancient pre-Christian Teutons develop their alleged "understanding for metaphysics"? Jesus did not refer to the Jews collectively as being children of the "father of lies". He was specifically referring to the Pharisees and the 'Devil'. John 8:44 has been oft misquoted by fanatical 'Christian racialists' (an oxy-moron if ever there was one!) to justify their contradictory anti-Semitism.

    The Greeks manifested cultural blossoming before Germans due to the warmer climate they ended up in.
    They are a different people, a different race. It is not merely a matter of climate.

    "The real protagonists of culture, both in the thousand years before Christ and in the thousand years after Him, were the peoples of the Mediterranean. This may appear improbable to us to-day, because we are apt to judge these people from present-day appearances. But that is a great mistake." - Table Talk, July 7, 1942
    Hitler was not an academic and neither did he show any genuine interest in ancient Germanic history, culture or society unlike the better educated Himmler.

    The tendency to relapse into barbarism is not exclusive to Germans. The basic problem is that "the idea of human solidarity was imposed on men by force, and can be maintained only by the same means" and "the precept that it’s men’s duty to love one another is theory". (Table Talks)
    I do not disagree but the veneer of southern and alien 'civilisation' as with the alien religion of Christianity was only a very thin one at best. Wode dwells in the blood, the DNA. He is unlike any other deity.

    The Jews and I go way back, but we've taken different roads. The way I see it, the Jews are going about it all wrong.
    What a 'telling' statement. I would consider rephrasing that if I were you: it could be misinterpreted.

    German emancipation is linked up in a WW3 because war gives rise to heroes, war furnishes the occasion for Germans to be re-armed.
    After a WWIII there will be NO Germans. Indeed probably no men!

    They just need to avoid playing for either camp (America, Russia). Hopefully, Russia will receive an idealistic version of Stalin to unite it with Germany, since this is considered the only threat to American interests.
    Theoretically I agree with you on this point.

    But most importantly, the Germans need to secure the support of the Greek people this time around. Their war with Greece (by obligation to Italy) was costly and delayed the invasion of Russia. The Greeks were the only ones among the Balkan states recognized by Hitler, Goebbels, etc. for their heroism.
    The southern peoples have only ever been a burden to Germany whether in WWII or the EU in economic terms. Forget the Greeks-end your love affair with them!

    England had it's opportunity (which it abused with it's colonialism) and the bulk of the English people are now Jewish in character.
    I am not totally clear about what you mean by this remark. If you can clarify and expand it I will seek to answer this point.

    You appear to be confusing imperialism with spiritual matters. I am referring to the last avatar, Woden reborn as Widar according to the prophecies of my mentor Wulf Ingessunu: http://inglinga.blogspot.com/2017/03...an-avatar.html

    The English are in all likelihood fated to go the same way as the French.
    Again I am unclear as to your meaning?

    The Greeks have yet to be surpassed in the arts and architecture. They are still relevant.
    Not to a discussion on Germania. The south has already had too much influence upon my peoples. The Germanic peoples must eradicate any alien southern influence (including Christianity) and return to the worship of our ancient Gods.

    By artificial division, I was talking about Left/Right, paganism/Christianity, etc., not the caste system.
    Ok, I accept your clarification.

    I didn't expect to get a concession out of you. What's your play here?
    No 'play', just pointing out that there are SOME gems of wisdom within the Bible. It is after all a plagiaristic work.

    At the basis of this love for wealth and prosperity is egotism. Are you suggesting that Jews should be deprived of their egotism? I think they need to be occupied with themselves in order to prevent them from going rampant and destroying everything around them.
    But this mental derangement affects ALL people, not just the Jews and it is destroying our sacred Mother Earth. The only outcome will be the ultimate extinction of man.

    He explicitly said his Germany and the racial laws were modeled on the Spartan constitution and this was confirmed by Anthony Ludovici.
    I was referring to the Greekness of the architecture and the Romaness of the State. Regarding your comment about Sparta do you have a direct Hitler source for this?

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    I took some liberty to rearrange your post for convenience.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Why do you associate 'greatness' with despotism? Surely the two are not mutually inclusive? A woman's 'greatness' should not be measured by her political power (likewise men also).
    You seem to do that. Great men are giants that tower over mediocrities produced en masse by a crippling education system. That's why I also acknowledge Stalin despite his atheistic tendencies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    I obtained my information mainly from Kurlander and the end notes in his book.
    Sorry but I genuinely was not aware of that. I have not read Strasser's 'Hitler and I' (it is currently on my Amazon wish list!)
    How can you call yourself a follower of Strasser if you haven't even read his memoirs?! I found my copy on archive.org. This Strasser seems like he can be useful for my cause.

    Until you give it a read, you are hardly qualified to draw any conclusions on this matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Your question starts from a faulty premise that all Jews must de facto be 'enemies' of Germans, Germanics, Indo-Europeans or others. I believe that Hanussen was motivated by financial gain. If you research his life you would probably come to the same conclusion.

    You are misinterpreting what I have written. I am referring to the fact that Hitler had to take lessons in public speaking and presentation.
    Your beloved Strasser himself said that Hanussen was motivated by fear of persecution for his RACE.

    Hitler is generally believed to have got rid of Hanussen, as he got rid of so many of his other friends as soon as they became inconvenient. In reality this was not the case. Hanussen was a Jew, and believed that Hitler's racial principles might one day be applied to his disadvantage.

    Doesn't sound like Hanussen had a cordial relationship with Hitler as was the case with Eduard Bloch.

    Furthermore, Strasser never mentions Hanussen as Hitler's mentor in oratory. Not even a passing mention! He instead says Hanussen "acted as medium to that other clairvoyant named Adolf Hitler." Very ambiguous. There's not much one can get out of this, other than Strasser admitting that there was a superphysical quality to Hitler.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    They weren't ALL arrested, not the ones which found favour with the Nazi elite and those who were employed by the Ahnenerbe. Indeed YOU flagrantly ignore the existence of Himmler's Runologist Karl Maria Willigut who was responsible for the arrest of Friedrich Bernhard Marby and Siegfried Adolf Kummer. As Kurlander points out in his book this roundup was quite selective and piecemeal right up to 1945.
    Maybe you should read up on those people. The reasons for retaining them may have absolutely nothing to do with their occultist tendencies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    I am not a plagiarist. I always give credit where ideas or facts originate from known primary or secondary sources as any regular reader of my blogs can see.
    Yes, as do many historical books. As did Einstein in his lectures. But the masses and the press usually draw the wrong conclusion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    I have not come to any definite conclusion about Weishaupt but the make up of the surname appears Jewish to me.
    That's barely anything to go off of according to your standards (recall your dismissal of the Jewish surname as coincidental).

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Maybe but not about things that would make him appear to be weak. Public discussion about his reliance upon astrologers would be an indication of weakness to him. Let us not forget that the Ahnenerbe studied all aspects of occultism. http://www.astrology.co.uk/news/worldwar2.htm
    Speculation. Plus, Walter C. Langer already dismissed that he relied upon astrologers. Now that he no longer fits your narrative, does that mean you give up on his credibility/reliability?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    They were comrades, not his sweethearts! Do you reveal your most intimate self to your colleagues?
    Yes. Everyone does. You should read Weishaupt's "Supplement to the Justification of My Intentions". He makes it clear that he didn't need to hide anything shocking or offensive from his comrades.

    "Any just evaluation of historical developments must needs make a differentiation between words spoken and acts performed during times of strife and war, and governmental measures carried out later by a victorious regime. Human passion being what it is, such an evaluation will also take into consideration certain inevitable revolutionary after-effects." - Alfred Rosenberg

    "From the outbreak of war Hitler would never deliver a speech without a manuscript. ‘I prefer to speak, and I speak best, from the top of my head,’ he told me, ‘but now we are at war I must weigh carefully every word, for the world is watching and listening. Were I to use the wrong word in a spontaneous moment of passion, that could have severe implications!’" - Christa Schroeder

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Rubbish! Is this your fantasy or do you have any scientific anthropological evidence to support your theory?
    I cited the Roman author who revealed this to me. He's an early witness to one of the battles between Romans and Germany. He probably did not have Tacitus' bias.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    And WHEN precisely did these ancient pre-Christian Teutons develop their alleged "understanding for metaphysics"? Jesus did not refer to the Jews collectively as being children of the "father of lies". He was specifically referring to the Pharisees and the 'Devil'. John 8:44 has been oft misquoted by fanatical 'Christian racialists' (an oxy-moron if ever there was one!) to justify their contradictory anti-Semitism.
    While they were living in the harsher climate.

    Not even them. According to the narrative, he was referring to Jews who had believed in him (John 8:31). Sounds like rubbish to rebuke the ones who had chosen to follow him. It's interesting how sensitive Jews are about this verse. Once placed into a rational context, what a magnificent danger it'll represent to their interests.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    They are a different people, a different race. It is not merely a matter of climate.
    Are you blurring out the distinction between people and race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Hitler was not an academic and neither did he show any genuine interest in ancient Germanic history, culture or society unlike the better educated Himmler.
    How was Himmler "better educated"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    I do not disagree but the veneer of southern and alien 'civilisation' as with the alien religion of Christianity was only a very thin one at best. Wode dwells in the blood, the DNA. He is unlike any other deity.
    So he's just an equivalent to the Jew's Jahwe, to whom is also acclaimed uniqueness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    What a 'telling' statement. I would consider rephrasing that if I were you: it could be misinterpreted.
    Nah. I know my time as an idealist/humanist is up. There's just one path left for me to walk in the long run, but not before I first engineer the ultimate idealist/humanist/reformer, the only worthy adversary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    After a WWIII there will be NO Germans. Indeed probably no men!
    People don't die out for a lack of men. Thirty year war as well as Christian and Islamic prophecies point to polygamy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    The southern peoples have only ever been a burden to Germany whether in WWII or the EU in economic terms. Forget the Greeks-end your love affair with them!
    Nothing to back up your assertion. Where would Germany be without a Goethe and Winckelmann? http://goethetc.blogspot.com/2014/02...nckelmann.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    I am not totally clear about what you mean by this remark. If you can clarify and expand it I will seek to answer this point.

    You appear to be confusing imperialism with spiritual matters. I am referring to the last avatar, Woden reborn as Widar according to the prophecies of my mentor Wulf Ingessunu: http://inglinga.blogspot.com/2017/03...an-avatar.html
    England was once in a position to effect great changes. But it instead indulged materialistic pursuits cloaked in Christian hypocrisy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Again I am unclear as to your meaning?
    To be torn apart by racial degeneration and divergent instincts. They will have to become refugees and outcasts themselves in view of all the suffering they inflicted upon their colonies. Germany will not share this fate since they were too kind towards their colonies and other peoples. The great majority in Hitler's time were duped by pacifism. Both Luther and Hitler observed how they went so far as to neglect their own people for foreigners. This is not even a thin veneer of civilization. Civilization itself is barbaric. Culture is distinct from civilization. And Germans are one of the few people to come closest to attaining it. Sweden, India, america, etc. have lagged behind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    But this mental derangement affects ALL people, not just the Jews and it is destroying our sacred Mother Earth. The only outcome will be the ultimate extinction of man.
    Do you subscribe to Oswald Spengler?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    I was referring to the Greekness of the architecture and the Romaness of the State. Regarding your comment about Sparta do you have a direct Hitler source for this?
    Direct eh? Yes I do! In Zweites Buch, he wrote:

    The rule of six thousand Spartans over three hundred and fifty thousand Helots was only thinkable in consequence of the high racial value of the Spartans. But this was the result of a systematic race preservation; thus Sparta must be regarded as the first Folkish State.

    Also, he commented on the Spartans and Helots in both table talks and Platterhof hotel talks.

    After that, the closest I can produce is from Otto Wagener, according to which, Hitler said: "In antiquity, the Spartan constitution was the only one that required and enforced a healthy selection." Hitler specifically invoked "the Greek institution" (obviously he means the ancient Greek) in Mein Kampf (connecting it with the Greek maxim healthy mind in a healthy body).

    There is also testimony from Goebbels (in his diaries, he frequently compares Hitler to a Stoic), Otto Dietrich (who compared Hitler's mode of life to a Spartan's), and Reinhold Hanisch (not likely credible). There's overwhelming testimony that he was closer to the Greek than the Roman model. This is what distinguished Hitler's Germany from the militaristic groups in Italy and Japan. This Axis was a temporary alliance, forged out of convenience, not truly closely knit. The future Axis will be more stable and it requires securing the support of the Greeks and Russians.

    Incidentally, Strasser recalls a conversation with Hitler where Hitler specifically declared that he wanted to "organize the Reich on Spartan lines." In this conversation, he cited the helots of Greece and Sparta's dictatorship. Elsewhere, he explicitly described Hitler's Germany as a "Spartan Germany".

    Strasser was once counted as an intimate (such as the way he describes his conversations with Hitler on p.g. 104-105), why would he make this stuff up?

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    I took some liberty to rearrange your post for convenience.
    You seem to do that. Great men are giants that tower over mediocrities produced en masse by a crippling education system. That's why I also acknowledge Stalin despite his atheistic tendencies.
    I do NOT associate 'greatness' with despotism. The only despot that we have hitherto discussed has been Hitler. 'Greatness' does not have to be measured in terms of political power; after all scum rises to the top.

    Your beloved Strasser himself said that Hanussen was motivated by fear of persecution for his RACE.
    'Fear' for his own life would be more like it. Hanussen was an opportunist that in reality cared nothing for his race; I am reminded of Drumpf in this respect who likewise lied about his ethnicity just as Hanussen pretended to be a Danish nobleman.

    Hitler is generally believed to have got rid of Hanussen, as he got rid of so many of his other friends as soon as they became inconvenient. In reality this was not the case. Hanussen was a Jew, and believed that Hitler's racial principles might one day be applied to his disadvantage.
    And like many Jews he courted the favours of high ranking members of the NSDAP. Examples of Jews or part Jews who were tolerated include Erhard Milch, Emil Maurice and possibly Reinhard Heydrich.

    Doesn't sound like Hanussen had a cordial relationship with Hitler as was the case with Eduard Bloch.
    I never maintained that it was. Hanussen was temporarily of use to Hitler; that is all.

    Furthermore, Strasser never mentions Hanussen as Hitler's mentor in oratory. Not even a passing mention! He instead says Hanussen "acted as medium to that other clairvoyant named Adolf Hitler." Very ambiguous. There's not much one can get out of this, other than Strasser admitting that there was a superphysical quality to Hitler.
    It is enough to establish that Hanussen was used by Hitler, not that they were sweethearts!

    That's barely anything to go off of according to your standards (recall your dismissal of the Jewish surname as coincidental).
    As I have already indicated we do not have sufficient information about the ancestry of Weishaupt other than sensationalist speculation to determine if he was Jewish or not.

    Speculation. Plus, Walter C. Langer already dismissed that he relied upon astrologers. Now that he no longer fits your narrative, does that mean you give up on his credibility/reliability?
    There is an old saying about not 'throwing out the baby with the bathwater'. Evidence can be incorrect, partially correct or fully correct. We have to use our grey matter to analyse and weigh up the strength of any evidence and come to our (inevitably subjective) conclusions. This is how juries work.

    Yes. Everyone does. You should read Weishaupt's "Supplement to the Justification of My Intentions". He makes it clear that he didn't need to hide anything shocking or offensive from his comrades.
    Nonsense: I never did. Only a fool wears his heart upon his sleeve and thus reveals all his vulnerabilities for all and sundry to exploit. Please credit Hitler with a modicum of intelligence!


    "From the outbreak of war Hitler would never deliver a speech without a manuscript. ‘I prefer to speak, and I speak best, from the top of my head,’ he told me, ‘but now we are at war I must weigh carefully every word, for the world is watching and listening. Were I to use the wrong word in a spontaneous moment of passion, that could have severe implications!’" - Christa Schroeder
    How is this relevant? Why do you keep inserting what appear to be irrelevant quotations from your vast library of pdfs? Is it to show us how 'well-read' you are?

    While they were living in the harsher climate.
    Taking your reasoning to its 'logical' conclusion then given a new Ice Age and sufficient time negroes living in northern Europe will eventually 'evolve' into Nordics! Absolute nonsense! You place too much importance on climate to the exclusion of blood, race, DNA.

    Not even them. According to the narrative, he was referring to Jews who had believed in him (John 8:31). Sounds like rubbish to rebuke the ones who had chosen to follow him. It's interesting how sensitive Jews are about this verse. Once placed into a rational context, what a magnificent danger it'll represent to their interests.
    It is a verse misused by confused American neo-nutzis who cling to their childhood indoctrination-what I have termed the Pilgrim Fathers Complex.


    Are you blurring out the distinction between people and race?
    No, but 'race' has different shades of meaning as Evola discusses in his Revolt Against the Modern World. Be that as it may I see no racial connection between the north of Europe and the negrofied south with its proximity to north Africa. They neither look like or nor behave like us. A completely different beast altogether.

    How was Himmler "better educated"?
    Hitler left school at 15 without any qualifications. By contrast Himmler, the son of a secondary school teacher and the godson of Prince Heinrich attended a Grammar School and studied Agronomy in Munich from 1919-1922 after serving towards the end of WWI as an Officer Cadet. As a child and young person he was noted for his studious nature but suffered from frequent illness and physical weakness. Thanks to Himmler we had the Ahnenerbe, an institution devoted to Germanic research and learning.

    So he's just an equivalent to the Jew's Jahwe, to whom is also acclaimed uniqueness?
    How telling that you should belittle the High God of the Germanic peoples by comparing him to a Jewish desert demon. That sentence alone speaks volumes about your true leanings. Not only do you do this but you do so on a forum allegedly devoted to 'Germanic preservation' but no doubt your remark will go unpunished.

    Nah. I know my time as an idealist/humanist is up. There's just one path left for me to walk in the long run, but not before I first engineer the ultimate idealist/humanist/reformer, the only worthy adversary.
    Which is what? Judaism? Islam? Christianity? Many of your comments thus far lead me to suspect this.

    People don't die out for a lack of men. Thirty year war as well as Christian and Islamic prophecies point to polygamy.
    Again you defer to Abrahamic 'spiritual' paths-how telling! You clearly have no conception of the magnitude of nuclear warfare and the devastation that the USA and Russian Federation may cause-particularly in Europe!

    Nothing to back up your assertion. Where would Germany be without a Goethe and Winckelmann? http://goethetc.blogspot.com/2014/02...nckelmann.html
    I couldn't care less. I have read neither and have no intention to ever read them.

    England was once in a position to effect great changes. But it instead indulged materialistic pursuits cloaked in Christian hypocrisy.
    We are not talking about England as a country but a prophecy of the arising of a Woden born avatar from England. You are not a heathen so it is pointless discussing these issues further with you.

    To be torn apart by racial degeneration and divergent instincts. They will have to become refugees and outcasts themselves in view of all the suffering they inflicted upon their colonies. Germany will not share this fate since they were too kind towards their colonies and other peoples.
    Here we go again, employing a most definite semitic and Abrahamic biblical 'morality' in your judgement of England; its native population having never benefited from the English empire in the same way that the majority of Germans had nothing to do with the persecution and extermination of Jews.

    The great majority in Hitler's time were duped by pacifism. Both Luther and Hitler observed how they went so far as to neglect their own people for foreigners. This is not even a thin veneer of civilization. Civilization itself is barbaric. Culture is distinct from civilization. And Germans are one of the few people to come closest to attaining it.
    You know nothing of the German soul and you clearly are unfamiliar with the writings of Jung on this subject. I suggest that you start with his 1936 essay 'Wotan' which I dare say that you will find a free pdf for, knowing your aversion to buying books. Read that and don't come back to me on this subject until you have done so!

    Do you subscribe to Oswald Spengler?
    Why?
    Direct eh? Yes I do! In Zweites Buch, he wrote:

    The rule of six thousand Spartans over three hundred and fifty thousand Helots was only thinkable in consequence of the high racial value of the Spartans. But this was the result of a systematic race preservation; thus Sparta must be regarded as the first Folkish State.
    Hitler's reference to Sparta as being the "first Folkish State" aligns with my comment to Velvet that National Socialism existed before Hitler and I wrote that I regarded Sparta as the first 'National Socialist' State so I do not disagree with Hitler on this point but the Third Reich was clearly modelled on Rome as a State; its architecture being Greek in style. Hitler was overawed by the buffoon Mussolini. Of course one could go on and argue for ever whether Sparta influenced Rome and thus indirectly (or directly) the Third Reich but this speculation leads nowhere at the end of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    I do NOT associate 'greatness' with despotism. The only despot that we have hitherto discussed has been Hitler. 'Greatness' does not have to be measured in terms of political power; after all scum rises to the top.
    I really must thank you for introducing me to Strasser. Words cannot describe how enthusiastic I am about his memoirs! He put forth a number of errors that need to be addressed and refuted. From Strasser's memoirs:

    Hitler: 'The idea of one nation called upon to rule the others is rooted in the mind of every great men. Germany is called upon to succeed where others have failed.'

    Strasser: 'A nation's first instinct is that of liberty. This instinct in the long run will always prove stronger than any man's "will-to-power."'

    Perhaps that's why Hitler recognized Stalin as a great man. So here we have the one representing hierarchy/individualism and the other inclining towards anarchism/collectivism.

    Strasser is not speaking from experience, but theory. The impression I have from reading his work is that he gravitated towards Christianity and I am astounded by how you, being pagan, claim to be following in his footsteps.

    Strasser's personal rivalry with Rosenberg seeps into his perpetual condemnations of Hitler. He goes so far as to say that Hitler had declared Rosenberg "a forerunner" and "a prophet" and had praised his Der Mythus, arguing that it had surpassed Chamberlain's work. The opposite couldn't be more true (see Speer and table talks), Hitler had barely given it any attention. When asked what Strasser had against Rosenberg, Strasser explicitly states, "his paganism."

    Strasser wrote elsewhere, "'God tries those He loves.' The Christian precept reminds us that a menace can be a means of salvation; that it can awaken, in individuals and in nations alike, vital forces that in periods of satiety, materialism, and nihilism may have seemed to be dead. Hitler the racialist and Stalin the Marxist have never felt or understood the moral law of such a revival... Ideals of liberty, honour, and faith are still capable of moving people and making them rise against the most deadly perils."

    In the first place, is it even a Christian precept? If not, then it could be argued that Strasser was trying to monopolize the maxim as a merit of Christianity.

    Hitler also acknowledged this very same maxim in a September 13, 1937 speech: "In our case, the accuracy of a wise saying can be said to have been proven true: there are times when Providence demonstrates the deepest love it has for its creatures in an act of punishment!"

    The war hero Hans-Ulrich Rudel at least has the experience to back up his realizations:

    "For the first time something comes over me, a feeling in the pit of my stomach: a feeling I never have again until years later when I am crawling home in an aircraft riddled by enemy bullets and serious loss of blood has sapped all my physical strength. This something is a dark intuition that despite everything the human factor is the criterion of war and the will of the individual the secret of victory."

    The one thing Strasser and Hitler found agreement in during that discourse:

    "Self-restraint is one of the main attributes of a great man, it is the only thing that differentiates him from Utopians and madmen. The man who is unaware of his own limitations inevitably crashes and drags everything else down with him." (Otto Strasser)

    "True piety is the characteristic of the being who is aware of his weakness and ignorance." (Hitler Table Talks)

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    'Fear' for his own life would be more like it. Hanussen was an opportunist that in reality cared nothing for his race; I am reminded of Drumpf in this respect who likewise lied about his ethnicity just as Hanussen pretended to be a Danish nobleman.
    Now you're just in denial.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    And like many Jews he courted the favours of high ranking members of the NSDAP. Examples of Jews or part Jews who were tolerated include Erhard Milch, Emil Maurice and possibly Reinhard Heydrich.
    Milch was the only peculiar exception and he was in all likelihood responsible for defeatism in the Air Force (which is incidentally what the Jews were accused of in WW1). The Air Force frequently gave Hitler's inner circle a headache. In her memoirs, Hanna Reitsch mentions how she made a direct appeal to Milch with a plan that involved self-sacrifice and he completely shut it down. According to Speer, "Milch usually declared firmly that the enemy would make short work of the leadership of the Third Reich."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_myth
    Roth's work claimed that most Jews involved in the war were only taking part as profiteers and spies, while he also blamed Jewish officers for fostering a defeatist mentality which impacted negatively on their soldiers.
    Maurice was dismissed before it was discovered that he was Jewish.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    It is enough to establish that Hanussen was used by Hitler, not that they were sweethearts!
    Hardly. It's very foolish to come to a conclusion based on an excerpt. Context is everything and Strasser does not add a modicum of detail on that subject.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    As I have already indicated we do not have sufficient information about the ancestry of Weishaupt other than sensationalist speculation to determine if he was Jewish or not.
    Nesta Webster and Alfred Rosenberg had the opportunities to indict him but they said the Bavarian Illuminati was run by pure Germans.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Nonsense: I never did. Only a fool wears his heart upon his sleeve and thus reveals all his vulnerabilities for all and sundry to exploit. Please credit Hitler with a modicum of intelligence!
    Sounds like you don't have any dependable friends. I have let several racially conscious people know about my possible Jewishness (whether by blood or by mentality/character, who can honestly tell these days? They falsify blood tests and conscience/feeling is no substitute for certainty) and they didn't mind. I tell them this as a way of cautioning them to not to take everything I say for granted, for if I have conflicting drives and instincts, then I don't know when one or the other overtakes me. Better to be safe than sorry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    How is this relevant? Why do you keep inserting what appear to be irrelevant quotations from your vast library of pdfs? Is it to show us how 'well-read' you are?
    Did you even look up Weishaupt's "Supplement to the Justification of My Intentions"?

    You asked, "Do you reveal your most intimate self to your colleagues?" The answer must necessarily be yes. And in those moments, there is less need to exercise self-restraint and hence the passion my two sources are speaking of. Friedrich Christian Prince recalled a melancholic side of Hitler that he had shown to Goebbels. Otto Wagener also recalls this version of Hitler after Geli's death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Taking your reasoning to its 'logical' conclusion then given a new Ice Age and sufficient time negroes living in northern Europe will eventually 'evolve' into Nordics! Absolute nonsense! You place too much importance on climate to the exclusion of blood, race, DNA.
    Race has been overemphasized, climate and it's effects have been badly neglected. I'm simply readdressing the balance.

    Of course, the race must also possess the creative faculty.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    It is a verse misused by confused American neo-nutzis who cling to their childhood indoctrination-what I have termed the Pilgrim Fathers Complex.
    So you don't think the Jews are the inventors of the lie? You consider them stupid in the face of overwhelming evidence that they are incredibly intelligent and monopolize the top marks in universities?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    No, but 'race' has different shades of meaning as Evola discusses in his Revolt Against the Modern World. Be that as it may I see no racial connection between the north of Europe and the negrofied south with its proximity to north Africa. They neither look like or nor behave like us. A completely different beast altogether.
    So you side with Alfred Rosenberg on Pythagoras? Nonetheless, despite his views on Pythagoras, Rosenberg is filled with praise for Plato, even going so far as to compare him to Kant. He only has contempt for Socrates.

    Yet they were the only ones among the Balkan states to put up a fight in WW2 and successfully hold back the Germans.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Hitler left school at 15 without any qualifications. By contrast Himmler, the son of a secondary school teacher and the godson of Prince Heinrich attended a Grammar School and studied Agronomy in Munich from 1919-1922 after serving towards the end of WWI as an Officer Cadet. As a child and young person he was noted for his studious nature but suffered from frequent illness and physical weakness. Thanks to Himmler we had the Ahnenerbe, an institution devoted to Germanic research and learning.
    The products of the modern education system usually stop learning when they graduate. The systematic cramming of subjects they have no interest in or affinity with results in them throwing overboard everything they haven't digested. Do you remember everything you were taught in school?

    Frequent illness and physical weakness? We see from President FDR what it's like to have people like that in charge.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    How telling that you should belittle the High God of the Germanic peoples by comparing him to a Jewish desert demon. That sentence alone speaks volumes about your true leanings. Not only do you do this but you do so on a forum allegedly devoted to 'Germanic preservation' but no doubt your remark will go unpunished.
    You put him on a distant pedestal to be interpreted by priests and you're offended by a profane remark from an outsider who knows nothing about him. Why should god be offended by ignorance? Does he esteem his honor that badly? Why does he need dogmatists to defend him? You have given me the same reaction as Jews and Christians do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Which is what? Judaism? Ilam? Christianity? Many of your comments thus far lead me to suspect this.
    I'll be emulating Julian the Apostate and his apparent attempt to neutralize Christian "prophecy". Since the Jews haven't changed for 2000 years, the same exact means from antiquity can be employed against them. This first requires a Jewish temple to be built in Israel. It ultimately represents their downfall. When push comes to shove, they'll go down with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Again you defer to Abrahamic 'spiritual' paths-how telling! You clearly have no conception of the magnitude of nuclear warfare and the devastation that the USA and Russian Federation may cause-particularly in Europe!
    Again you forget that there are Christian readers on here.

    If nuclear weapons even exist. Even if they did, an instantaneous death is at least comfortable. War between US and Russia and a Russian invasion of Europe are too predictable and common scenarios. They're overdone. WW3 should have a more fascinating start.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    I couldn't care less. I have read neither and have no intention to ever read them.
    That speaks volumes about your perception of culture. That you side with Heine over Goethe also speaks volumes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    We are not talking about England as a country but a prophecy of the arising of a Woden born avatar from England. You are not a heathen so it is pointless discussing these issues further with you.
    Sounds pretty one-sided to me. Do you have a double allegiance? This is the same thing as only Jews receiving a Jesus (Matthew 15:24). You're basically depriving the Germans of a coming man with claims that their time is up.

    "Germany is called upon to succeed where others have failed." - Hitler, from Strasser's memoirs

    I found similar declarations in Wagener's memoirs. Every proper nation has a mission, which it usually fails. The reason why Hitler believed Germany wouldn't fail compared to Sparta and Rome was due to the party and leadership he had established.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Here we go again, employing a most definite semitic and Abrahamic biblical 'morality' in your judgement of England; its native population having never benefited from the English empire in the same way that the majority of Germans had nothing to do with the persecution and extermination of Jews.
    You're one to talk. I have the impression that your Strasser was a great moralist. He continually brings up the sex lives of others, intrudes into other people's private affairs. What is even this mania for inquiring into people's sex lives (i.e. Goethe, Frederick, Hitler) that runs rampant in society? He mentions how Hitler had reprimanded him for bringing up his contempt for his party comrades. "Your incessant quarrels with my people. Last year it was Streicher, then it was Rosenberg, and now it's Goebbels. I've had enough of it." Incidentally, Strasser had nothing bad at all to say about Rudolf Hess and acknowledges that he was a cultivated man.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    You know nothing of the German soul and you clearly are unfamiliar with the writings of Jung on this subject. I suggest that you start with his 1936 essay 'Wotan' which I dare say that you will find a free pdf for, knowing your aversion to buying books. Read that and don't come back to me on this subject until you have done so!
    And you know nothing of psychoanalysts. Paul Bjerre possessed greater insight than Jung and yet his works lie in obscurity. Herbert Spencer was likewise sidelined, Darwin and Einstein got credit for his ideas. Incidentally, both Bjerre and Jung were repulsed by Freud's view of humans as test subjects ("milch-cows").

    Besides, your own Strasser attributes the following to Hitler:

    "[Rosenberg's] theories are the expression of the German soul. A true German cannot condemn them."

    I've noticed you belittled Rosenberg in previous posts. Do you have more to say on the matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Why?
    "The only outcome will be the ultimate extinction of man." If this is already your conclusion, what are you even fighting for?

    Certainly I'm also an adherent of world annihilation, but at the very least, I want to make it more interesting than a bland ending. I want to give the good guys a chance to prevent it, if possible. The Left overemphasize capitalists and fascists. The Right overemphasize globalists and liberals. The one thing that can possibly unite them is anti-Semitism, but even that kind of unity is insufficient.

    Strasser placed emphasis on unity but he didn't elaborate on it. Apparently he viewed unity as an absolute merit, the litmus test for distinguishing between good and evil.

    "Unity was the only thing that could have saved Greece, and unity is the only thing that can save Europe. A good National-Socialist must be a European; he must contribute to European solidarity." - Strasser

    That's furthest from the case. Unity is no merit in itself. The Catholic Church is the perfect model of organization yet it has set itself against Nature in all it's policies. So a bunch of people come together and strive for what they think is right, so what? That's still might makes right! Collectivist solutions never work. Even where Jews are concerned, it's merely a temporary measure to contain or expel them all. These problems can only be resolved by individuals, a minority of gods.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    and I wrote that I regarded Sparta as the first 'National Socialist' State so I do not disagree with Hitler on this point
    Where? It's not in this topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    but the Third Reich was clearly modelled on Rome as a State; its architecture being Greek in style. Hitler was overawed by the buffoon Mussolini. Of course one could go on and argue for ever whether Sparta influenced Rome and thus indirectly (or directly) the Third Reich but this speculation leads nowhere at the end of the day.
    Although you have not read Strasser, you are equally dogmatic in your assertion. Superficially, it seems to have borrowed heavily from Rome (i.e. the salute). But that's just the drapery. The foundation is what matters and it is indisputably pre-Socratic and Hellenic. The wiki even cautions against assigning a Roman interpretation of the salute.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_s...s_and_adoption
    The salute gesture is widely believed to be based on an ancient Roman custom.[14] However, no surviving Roman work of art depicts it, nor does any extant Roman text describe it.[14]

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    Icarus we are going around in circles on this issue. I am not going to adress your last post because it has now become totally off topic. We are supposed to be discussing the relationship between National Socialism and Capitalism and to invite different people's views on the matter. This thread has gone completely off tangent and we need to move it back onto topic.

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