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    Quote Originally Posted by Icarus View Post
    And you base this assumption on events that you weren't there for, what you read in history books.

    In the Table Talks (Feb. 6, 1942, translated properly), he said, I do not believe in the idealism of one people paying an eternal debt to others. In the surrounding context, he said, I’ve examined this problem in all its aspects, turned it round in all directions. In Mein Kampf, he described his examination of the problems in Vienna the same way: My daily experiences were a constant stimulus to study the most diverse problems from new angles. And Kubizek described him similarly, saying that Hitler would inquire into the problems of the past.

    As soon as something Hitler adhered to contradicts one's own private notions, the adherent typically either dismisses the pertaining literature as propaganda, interpolated, unreliable, etc. or says he was wrong, he made a mistake, he was confused. It's usually Christians who do this. In your case, you seem to eliminate practically every source that isn't mainstream. Elsewhere I'm pretty sure you said you considered his speeches propaganda. You also said the memoirs of his associates were unreliable compared to mainstream historians. What then? Are you going to eliminate the Table Talks and Platterhof talks too? You do realize that with this approach of yours you're essentially saying that Hitler was a complete and total liar.

    Henry Goldman (who had styled himself as a supporter of Germany) would beg to differ. He explicitly warned Ambassador James Grover McDonald not to become an apologist for Hitler's regime. In April 8, 1933, McDonald described him as a broken old man, completely different from the guy two months ago (February 1933).

    Occultist quacks turn people to hope in the afterlife and shed all responsibility for future generations. (I noticed you've expressed several times how you're thankful you won't get to experience what's coming. Isn't that just as one-sided as the Christian and atheistic disposition? One life in the physical world, then either nothingness or a retreat to an arbitrary distant world)

    If occultists were running the show and all the Jews on earth were killed off, we would all want off this earth. The Jews are the only people in the world who are completely materialistic, having no conception of afterlife. They are a necessary evil and Hitler recognized this, valuing Trotsky and Marx from that perspective. His mentor Dietrich Eckart wrote (in a piece reproduced by Rosenberg) that the Jews embodied "world affirmation" as a condition of man's existence. Hitler used the exact same expression "condition of man's existence" in describing idealism in Mein Kampf. Put these two together and you must admit that either these two men conceived of a balance between materialism and idealism or that Hitler overemphasized idealism. And yet he explicitly said in a November 8, 1941 speech that he regarded himself as a materialist. His treatment of this world's problems ends at the matter aspect (like with Aristotle, as described by Proclus).

    The perverse teachings that have been labeled as gnosticism are misinterpretations of teachings from the Stoics and Platonists. Escape from the body didn't mean a literal escape from reincarnating into the physical world, but achieving freedom from passions and vices.

    And here we have the Christian mentality which condemns those who disagree with them to hellfire. The principle of exclusion should only be exercised against Jews and occasional halfcastes.

    Furthermore, you employ the term socialism in it's corrupted sense. Socialism itself is a hijacked term. When Apollonius of Tyana employed the term (communism), comparing humans to sparrows, he intended something other than a community of property.

    That's quite the boast. And what was her political ideology? Again, you didn't live through any of that.

    Except Hitler shunned nepotism. He never gave his nephew William Patrick Stuart-Houston a place in the government, for which his nephew wrote a letter of complaint to FDR.

    That says nothing about allegiance. There are people who collect “Nazi” memorabilia for a living. I don't own a physical copy of Mein Kampf, Table Talks, etc. and my house is completely devoid of NS symbolism.

    No, you're undermining his credibility and authority.
    I dread replying to your posts. It takes my aged fingers ages to type the letters one by one. However an inner sado-masochistic impulse compels me always to respond.

    It is not a 'boast': it was a statement of fact. My mother lived through each of these periods in German history and so some of my knowledge is not gained third hand from a distant relative like most posters but my own mother. Apart from Schwab I doubt that any current poster can say the same thing. My mother would you believe was a woman. Women are not political creatures. Her first husband was in the Waffen SS although she told me that she was 'not a Nazi'. Perhaps it was a uniform thing?

    You too gain your knowledge from history books so you can drop the hectoring tone!

    You can quote as many irrelevant passages from Hitler's Table Talk and Mein Kampf as you wish but that does not alter the fact that National Socialism is a left wing revolutionary Socialist movement despite Hitler's betrayal of its core principles. Yes Hitler's speeches were propaganda. THAT is the purpose of a politician giving a speech! And yes most politicians ARE liars! That is not a 'moral' judgement in the sense that a shaveling would make but an objective assessment of the facts. You only have to listen to Drumpf to come to that conclusion! I shall not witness the worst of the Kali Yuga for I shall be dead before then. That is also a statement of fact!

    Please tell me why it was felt necessary to lock up Rune Magicians and Astrologers (apart from Himmler's favourite Willigut)? What the hell has that got to do with politics. It was pure totalitarian oppression. It is not within the nature of Germanic man to accept thralldom but this is exactly what happened during the Third Reich.

    I have not "condemned" anyone to "hellfire"! Once again you trot out the 'alternative facts' and twist everything I say. A National SOCIALIST who is not a Socialist is not a National Socialist but a mere Nationalist. Let me express this mathematically: 2 + 1 = 3. 3-1 = 2. I hope that makes it clearer for you!

    A first century Greek philosopher has nothing to do with National Socialism. Once again you inject either Christian or southern sources into a discussion on issues relating to northern Europe.

    If you do not own a 'physical copy' of Mein Kampf (or indeed possibly any books) then perhaps you should invest in a copy before the Internet comes to a stop after Drumpf unleashes WWIII? I can't understand you young people not reading books.

    Hitler has no 'credibility' or 'authority' for me when it comes to genuine National SOCIALISM. He was a despot who sent millions to their deaths for no good reason and has caused the current crisis because of his actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    You're not any nearer to the 1920s than I am. My grandmother was born in 1907, lived through both wars, my mother was born 1937. Can I therefore claim to be "closer" to anything? No. And so cant you.

    That aside, yes, the communist-marxist Weimar Republic was in itself a catastrophe for Germany, it was literally Sodom and Gomorrha, porn promotion and what not, the whole collection of the (((Frankfurt School))) Cultural Marxism that is shoved down our throats today again.

    The economic looting of Germany added to this, of course, the real desaster was the Jew-promotion of every perversion imaginable, however.



    Hitler's economic miracle was mostly brought about through a rigorous modernisation of Germany. His first "army" were thousands of people building the Autobahn network, giving in turn thousands of people actual paid work from which they could live.

    He created jobs also through the expressed will to mobilise Germany, ie affordable cars, inspired through Ford's Tin Lizzy, which became the Beetle here, built by VW. Why should VW be a "national industry"? The state was only a "passive" incentive in this, with Thyssen/Krupp and other industries the state became, necessarily, the biggest customer, because the Weimar Republic and the de-industrialisation of the Rheinland and other industrial centers had trashed half of Germany. There was still no point in "nationalising" these industries.

    The currency reform and subsequent issuing of Reichsmark was through the State, usury-free money.
    There was also a state-run credit bank for rebuilding of Germany, families were supported building homes, and each child did away with 25% of the remaining debt. With just 4 children you could get a house for free. If that's not Socialism I dont know what is, really.

    You see, the thing is, that when you do have such a state-bank that issues the currency and credits the rebuilding, there can be private banks below, independent of that, for other purposes that are none of the State's business. And this is exactly what Hitler did, he allowed for individual effords and initiatives without loading the burden onto the State (at the end of the day, the tax-payer). If a private bank defaults, it's entirely the private bank's problem. And in a seperated system like this there are no "too big to fail" banks either.



    Again, the nonsense you're spouting is plain Communism, not National Socialism. For the love of the gods, learn the damn difference. Maybe there was a (exactly this) reason why Strasser was identified as enemy? There were enough "ex-commie" idiots who had to be idea-battled all the time, a communist subversive element like Strasser was too much maybe.




    One: the name is Trump. We all know you despise him like nothing else in this world, but this is just low-level ridiculous and degrades you more than him.

    Second: what do you want to see in America? World-War 3- Hillary? Outright communist "Feel the Bern" Sanders with Hillary in the background nuking half the globe for her Saudi-Israeli friends?

    As much as there are objectable aspects about Trump, BE GLAD it is him sitting in White House, otherwise Europe would already be a glimmering pile of dust.




    Can you please stop promoting Marxism? I could scream and puke reading terms like "collective means of production".
    THIS IS COMMUNISM!!!

    But well, you were sporting the Antifa-Anarchy symbol, now you're sporting the Communist/NazBol (I mean, srsly?!?) star...what's next? Camus and his Anarcho-Communism?



    Hitler wasnt a Capitalist, I explained to you what the evil part actually is which must be destroyed (back then and today alike), the solution to this problem however is not Communism. How that worked out, look to Russia. It's not the people who owned anything there, under Communism, it was the State.

    Communism wasnt invented by "the people" to overthrow the bankers. Communism was invented by bankers to enslave the people in "eternal revolution", "class struggle" and futile "equalisation", aka dumping down of everything and everyone. The cultural being was eradicated, people became cattle. It is also not supposed to be otherwise in Communism, and it cannot be otherwise, because Communism is designed to be the "eternal revolution" and to destroy, it's not supposed to achieve anything in the real world. Marx himself said, about his "system": 'if this ever becomes real, RUN! so far as your feet carry you'.

    National Socialism on the other hand did not seek to equalise everything to the lowest common denominator, a society without hierarchy does not work and is fundamentally out-of-touch dystopian.

    NS sought to eliminate the enmity between the classes, foster working together instead of against each other, balance the valid interests of both sides, in contrast to Communism that tried to eradicate classes by trashing everything, first of all killing off the intelligentia for they will always stick out of the dumping ground that society and the human being becomes under communism.

    NS was not dogmatically bound by or limited through pre-existing "all-or-nothing" ideologies. Not saying that everything was perfect, but at least they tried to actually uplift the people.

    You are trying to press NS into a dogmatic communist corsett under the guise of "purifying socialism", with a fundamental lack of understanding of human nature and social structures.
    I am older than you and my mother was born shortly after your grandmother. By the time that your mother was born mine was a mother herself. So my personal knowledge of Germany during WWII and the period before that comes from my mother, not a grandmother and my father who was a soldier in the British Army in WWII. My German grandfather was born around 1886 and was a veteran of WWI. He died in 1933 as Hitler came to power and was anti-Hitler, a Social Democrat. His brother was a National Socialist. Anyway be that as it may that does not alter the fact of the matter that the reforms of the Weimar Republic had not been given a chance to come to fruition. What positive reforms had been made were overturned by Hitler when he betrayed the Socialist aspect of National SOCIALISM. Likewise BLiar betrayed Socialism in the 1990s in the United Kingdom.

    Ah yes, the Autobahnen-built to enable Hitler to get his Panzers from one German border to the opposite German border-built for the purpose of war, not peace! Please read this fascinating article about Hitler and the Autobahn myth: https://www.dw.com/en/the-myth-of-hi...ahn/a-16144981

    Your ranting about 'perversion' is something I would expect to hear at a Billy Graham crusade. You are not a Christian by any chance? As a heathen I do not appreciate your moralising which appears to be very Judeo-Christian in tone.

    You talk about the taxpayer being 'burdened' with the banks being 'too big to fail' but is this not what happened during the 2008 economic collapse when the government of the United Kingdom used taxpayers' money to bail out private banks? Why were they not allowed to fail? What sort of fake 'capitalism' is that? Can a private citizen go to the government for a bail out? No! One law for the worker and another for the bankster elite!

    Your criticism of my comments regarding Blair and Thatcherism is very, very telling. You are clearly a Conservative, a type of Nationalist and a supporter of Capitalism. None of these things have anything to do with genuine National Socialism so why call yourself a National Socialist? Mr Rentz needs to do the same. Strasser represented true National SOCIALISM whilst Hitler was the bedmate of Jewish capitalists and Junkers-he betrayed the German Volk. The capitalist elite are not part of the Volk: they are its mortal enemy and should be removed as one would remove a cancer from a sick body.

    The name is actually Drumpf. It was changed in order to appear less German. Drumpf and his father were ashamed of their German ancestry. They placed trading with Jewish American capitalists above honouring their own ancestors. Drumpf repeatedly lied about his ancestry and falsely claimed in his 'Art of the Deal' that his ancestors were Swedish. What kind of 'man' would do that? So I am going to use his original name Drumpf. YOU can do what YOU like. I do not take orders from you. As an aside in England 'trump' is a euphemism for 'fart'. Perhaps we should call him Donald Fart? In fact I warming to the idea.

    Clinton and WWIII? Drumpf will bring that about and much sooner than Clinton would have done! Your worship of Drumpf exceeds anything that I have witnessed thus far and that includes the Daily Stormer website run by the manlet Anglin. You do realise don't you that when Drumpf starts firing those nuclear missiles and Russia responds that they will land in Europe, not the USA? You are being used and yet you appear to like it.

    You need to choose your side: either you support Das Volk or you support the elite who manipulate the Volk as wage slaves and cannon fodder to fight their Zionist wars! You are straddling the fence-that must be uncomfortable for you.

    You also without knowledge attack my avatar which is a symbol of National Anarchism as promoted by Troy Southgate, a good friend to Woden's Folk who has kindly published our writings. You clearly do not understand Third Positionism which goes beyond the narrow confines of the outdated 'left' and 'right' which have done nothing but cause division for our peoples. The Sunwheel/Wotan's Eye is hardly an 'antifa' symbol.

    Ancient Europe once existed without artificial man-made 'hierarchies' and even the ancient Germanic caste system was not hierarchical but merely represented on earth the tripartite division of labour or function as existed in Asgard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    It is not a 'boast': it was a statement of fact. My mother lived through each of these periods in German history and so some of my knowledge is not gained third hand from a distant relative like most posters but my own mother. Apart from Schwab I doubt that any current poster can say the same thing. My mother would you believe was a woman. Women are not political creatures. Her first husband was in the Waffen SS although she told me that she was 'not a Nazi'. Perhaps it was a uniform thing?
    Women in ancient Germany were regarded like the Oracle of Delphi. They were involved in politics (the men's war with Caesar). Sources: Clement of Alexandria, Tacitus

    So then she had a superficial understanding of politics at best.

    Also, Gerda Bormann was up to speed on the political issues, it can be glimpsed in her letters. FDR's favored secretary LeHand was also involved in politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    You too gain your knowledge from history books so you can drop the hectoring tone!
    If that were the case, I'd be quoting from modern historians like you do. I disown all of these priests, both mainstream and revisionist. I get my quotes straight from the primary sources, without mediators i.e. memoirs, letters, diaries, and interviews. Also, I distinguish between modern historical literature and the writings of antiquity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    You can quote as many irrelevant passages from Hitler's Table Talk and Mein Kampf as you wish but that does not alter the fact that National Socialism is a left wing revolutionary Socialist movement despite Hitler's betrayal of its core principles. Yes Hitler's speeches were propaganda. THAT is the purpose of a politician giving a speech! And yes most politicians ARE liars! That is not a 'moral' judgement in the sense that a shaveling would make but an objective assessment of the facts. You only have to listen to Drumpf to come to that conclusion! I shall not witness the worst of the Kali Yuga for I shall be dead before then. That is also a statement of fact!
    You should read Hitler's Platterhof talk (which wasn't a speech mind you, plus not all of his speeches were addressed to the public. Were his speeches to generals also propaganda?). He identified intolerance as a core principle of Christianity and Communism and he explicitly identified it as a core NS principle.

    So you share the same one-sided materialistic view as the Christians and atheists.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Please tell me why it was felt necessary to lock up Rune Magicians and Astrologers (apart from Himmler's favourite Willigut)? What the hell has that got to do with politics. It was pure totalitarian oppression.
    Like I just told you, the occultists lead people astray with their abuse of the afterlife conception. But since you don't consider any of Hitler's speeches reliable, I guess there's no point in continuing on this point. Both Hitler and Goebbels understood from successfully exploiting the British and American gullibility for heeding astrologers and “prophecies” how dangerous these predictions could also be to the German people. It's possible that the ban on occultists was the result of Rudolf Hess being duped into making a peace approach with Britain (his own initiative, not on Hitler's orders).

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    It is not within the nature of Germanic man to accept thralldom but this is exactly what happened during the Third Reich.
    Then you don't understand the “Germanic” man at all.

    “Where the Germanic breed predominates, the people are Protestants; where Romanism has left its mark, the people are Catholic… Those who throng to the SS are men inclined to the authoritarian state, who wish to serve and to obey, who respond less to an idea than to a man.” - Memoirs of a Confidant

    “[The Center] party is not, therefore, a group of proud German men with political convictions and intellectual orientation. Rather, it is the large, subservient herd of Rome’s sheepfold–grown unfree by virtue of its history.” - Memoirs of a Confidant

    There are towns in Germany from which all joy is lacking. I’m told that it’s the same thing in certain Calvinistic regions of Switzerland... Clearly, one must not forget that these areas are still feeling the weight of several centuries of religious oppression.” - Table Talks, Feb. 3-4, 1942

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    I have not "condemned" anyone to "hellfire"! Once again you trot out the 'alternative facts' and twist everything I say. A National SOCIALIST who is not a Socialist is not a National Socialist but a mere Nationalist. Let me express this mathematically: 2 + 1 = 3. 3-1 = 2. I hope that makes it clearer for you!
    The accusation of “you aren't genuine” abounds in Christianity. It's tantamount to excommunication.

    A true socialist is nationalistic down to his bones and vice versa. A National Socialist (although I am not one of them) constantly has the principle of hierarchy in front of him. He recognizes that this world is governed by this principle from top to bottom and this is an inescapable law. Attempting to abolish class differences, or any kind of differences, will never succeed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    A first century Greek philosopher has nothing to do with National Socialism. Once again you inject either Christian or southern sources into a discussion on issues relating to northern Europe.
    The ancient Greeks have yet to be surpassed and furnish the best model to build upon. This was recognized by Schiller, Haeckel, Goethe, Nietzsche, etc. It's hardly “corrupted”.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    If you do not own a 'physical copy' of Mein Kampf (or indeed possibly any books) then perhaps you should invest in a copy before the Internet comes to a stop after Drumpf unleashes WWIII? I can't understand you young people not reading books.
    I already have the key points, core principles, and maxims memorized.

    I'm not one of those people who gets his knowledge from YouTube videos, narratives, and documentaries (i.e. TGSNT). Youth has the advantage of accessing the creative faculty in a greater degree than the aged.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Hitler has no 'credibility' or 'authority' for me when it comes to genuine National SOCIALISM. He was a despot who sent millions to their deaths for no good reason and has caused the current crisis because of his actions.
    Then you shouldn't appropriate the party's namesake. You won't win over anyone if you compromise. Here's some advice from the “propaganda” book:

    ‘Do you feel that Providence least called you to proclaim the Truth to the world?’ If so, then go and do it, but you ought to have the courage to do it directly and not use some political party as your mouthpiece, for this, too, would be false. In the place of something that now exists and is bad, put something else that is better and will last into the future.
    - Mein Kampf

    You remind me of the quasi-gnostic Aryanists (aryanism.net) who also try to misrepresent Hitler. In their case, they believe that Hitler was duped by Nature and they also introduce party division (Left/Right conflict). Yet they at least recognize the merits of Jesus and Mohammed and have a slightly better grasp of the religious principle.

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    Women in ancient Germany were regarded like the Oracle of Delphi. They were involved in politics (the men's war with Caesar). Sources: Clement of Alexandria, Tacitus
    So then she had a superficial understanding of politics at best.
    Women have no role in politics. As I have already pointed out it is a man's world and it is a dirty one at that. A woman should remove herself from such profane concerns and aspire to a higher calling. After all to be an effective politician one must be an effective liar. Drumpf is an example of a powerful politician who lies publicly on average 8 times a day.

    Also, Gerda Bormann was up to speed on the political issues, it can be glimpsed in her letters. FDR's favored secretary LeHand was also involved in politics.
    Her time would have been more effectively spent on knitting, cooking and housework.
    If that were the case, I'd be quoting from modern historians like you do.
    That is because you never read books. You lack the internal discipline to read a book from cover to cover and yet you appoint yourself as a critic of the aforesaid books! The irony is stunning!
    You should read Hitler's Platterhof talk (which wasn't a speech mind you, plus not all of his speeches were addressed to the public. Were his speeches to generals also propaganda?).
    I will look into that; thank you. Generals were mere tools to be used by Hitler. His propaganda was not just for the masses but his generals as well.

    He identified intolerance as a core principle of Christianity and Communism and he explicitly identified it as a core NS principle.
    Then he must have been a closet Christian as the Third Reich was supremely INTOLERANT as the number of people incarcerated in its Concentration Camps testify to this. My grandmother was terrified by my grandfather's outspoken criticism of Hitler. He died of natural causes shortly after Hitler gained power. Such was the fear inculcated into the general public.

    So you share the same one-sided materialistic view as the Christians and atheists.
    No.

    Like I just told you, the occultists lead people astray with their abuse of the afterlife conception.
    You are commenting once again on a subject which you have hitherto revealed a startling ignorance of. Occultism is nothing to do with an "afterlife conception". You should look to the Church for that concept -and how THEY "lead people astray" although your lack of criticism of the Church is very revealing.
    But since you don't consider any of Hitler's speeches reliable, I guess there's no point in continuing on this point.
    That is at least something which you have got right!
    Both Hitler and Goebbels understood from successfully exploiting the British and American gullibility for heeding astrologers and “prophecies” how dangerous these predictions could also be to the German people.
    How strange then and how hypocritical that Hitler had his own personal Astrologer the JEW, Hanussen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Jan_Hanussen Or how about Himmler's personal Rune Magician Willigut: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Maria_Wiligut

    It's possible that the ban on occultists was the result of Rudolf Hess being duped into making a peace approach with Britain (his own initiative, not on Hitler's orders).
    We do not know whether his mission was on Hitler's orders or not. Professional historians have not come to any concensus on that.

    Then you don't understand the “Germanic” man at all.
    That is bordering on an ad hominem. I am predominately Germanic. Credit me with having some insight into my racial soul! The true Germanic spirit, the spirit of Hermann the Cherusker, Widukind, the Saxons who resisted Charlemagne and the Vikings: THAT was the true Germanic spirit, not the shaveling thralls of the post-conversion era!
    A true socialist is nationalistic down to his bones and vice versa.
    A Socialist may or may not be a Nationalist. A Nationalist may or may not be a Socialist. The vast majority of Nationalists on this forum appear not to be Socialists but anti-Socialist and pro-Capitalist. I am the exception to the rule.
    A National Socialist (although I am not one of them) constantly has the principle of hierarchy in front of him.
    That sounds to me as if you are promoting thraldom for Germanic people? All Germanics were Freemen. Only the alien was regarded as a Thrall. The ancient Germanic caste system was modelled on that of the Gods: tripartite but NOT hierarchical but based on FUNCTION.
    He recognizes that this world is governed by this principle from top to bottom and this is an inescapable law. Attempting to abolish class differences, or any kind of differences, will never succeed.
    'Class' is not a Germanic concept but a modern capitalist one built upon economics. The American one in particular is even more materialistic and completely different to the English one. The Germanic caste system was based upon function, not economics. It had a spiritual value as it was founded upon the tripartite division of the Gods into functions.
    The ancient Greeks have yet to be surpassed and furnish the best model to build upon. This was recognized by Schiller, Haeckel, Goethe, Nietzsche, etc. It's hardly “corrupted”.
    YOU have used the term "corrupted", not I. You keep ascribing your words to me! Why do you do this? I am not concerned with southern Europeans or their concepts-I am not related to them!
    I already have the key points, core principles, and maxims memorized.
    I'm not one of those people who gets his knowledge from YouTube videos, narratives, and documentaries (i.e. TGSNT). Youth has the advantage of accessing the creative faculty in a greater degree than the aged.
    LoL! That is the only attempt at comedy that I have thus far seen in your posts! All I can add to that is wait until you are as old as me and you will see that your memory will begin to fail. It is an inevitable process unless you die young! Books can be handed on. How do you propose to transmit your knowledge?
    Then you shouldn't appropriate the party's namesake. You won't win over anyone if you compromise. Here's some advice from the “propaganda” book:
    I am not a 'Hitlerist'! You are! Hitlerism is NOT National Socialism. One can be a Hitlerist and not necessarily a National Socialist and a National Socialist without being a Hitlerist. It has taken many years but I have finally seen through Hitler but I do not reject National Socialism, the National Socialism of the likes of Ernst Roehm and the Strasser brothers. You need to move beyond Mein Kampf and Table Talk!

    You remind me of the quasi-gnostic Aryanists (aryanism.net) who also try to misrepresent Hitler. In their case, they believe that Hitler was duped by Nature and they also introduce party division (Left/Right conflict). Yet they at least recognize the merits of Jesus and Mohammed and have a slightly better grasp of the religious principle.

    In your last sentence you advocate Christianity AND Islam. On this point we will never agree. You appear to be very confused in your Weltanschauung! As a Third Positionist I attempt to move beyond the narrow boundaries of 'left' and 'right' but as I have said before, National Socialism is a 'left wing' movement. http://aryan-myth-and-metahistory.bl...-movement.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Women have no role in politics. As I have already pointed out it is a man's world and it is a dirty one at that. A woman should remove herself from such profane concerns and aspire to a higher calling. After all to be an effective politician one must be an effective liar. Drumpf is an example of a powerful politician who lies publicly on average 8 times a day.

    Her time would have been more effectively spent on knitting, cooking and housework.
    Now you're starting to sound like a misogynist Alt-Right adherent.

    "The state of society in which woman was regarded merely as a slave (as is still the case in certain tribes) would be, if we returned to it, a clear regression for humanity. But it's not the only possible state. In prehistoric times, matriarchy was certainly a fairly widely spread form of social organisation." - Table Talks, March 1, 1942

    Never mind whether or not Hitler said this. The content speaks common sense. Plus, you've completely overlooked the sources I've cited which describe the veneration for women among ancient Germanics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    I will look into that; thank you. Generals were mere tools to be used by Hitler. His propaganda was not just for the masses but his generals as well.
    So you dismiss even those private talks as propaganda. Shocking. Let's just get straight to the point: are the table talks reliable or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Then he must have been a closet Christian as the Third Reich was supremely INTOLERANT as the number of people incarcerated in its Concentration Camps testify to this. My grandmother was terrified by my grandfather's outspoken criticism of Hitler. He died of natural causes shortly after Hitler gained power. Such was the fear inculcated into the general public.
    Since you've eliminated the validity of his speeches, there's no point discussing whether Hitler was a Christian or not with you.

    Was your grandfather well-known or obscure? Are you suggesting that your grandfather experienced a decline in health due to Hitler? Was he a Jew like Goldman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    No.
    Why so tame here? You've overreacted to all my other points. You die once and then that's it right? No thought for future generations. You just wish to sow a little discord here and there before pushing up daisies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    You are commenting once again on a subject which you have hitherto revealed a startling ignorance of. Occultism is nothing to do with an "afterlife conception". You should look to the Church for that concept -and how THEY "lead people astray" although your lack of criticism of the Church is very revealing.
    The Wiccans would disagree with your assessment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    That is at least something which you have got right!
    Your preferred strategy seems to be discrediting any source or person which disagrees with your views.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    How strange then and how hypocritical that Hitler had his own personal Astrologer the JEW, Hanussen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Jan_Hanussen Or how about Himmler's personal Rune Magician Willigut: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Maria_Wiligut
    The claim that Hitler had a preferred astrologer (and a Jew to boot!) seems to have originated with Walter C. Langer, who was in the employ of OSS, a predecessor of the CIA. Sounds like wartime propaganda to me.

    If Hanussen was so precious to Hitler, why didn't Hitler mention him in his private conversations like he did with Otto Weininger? Or why did Hanussen not receive the same privileged arrangements as Eduard Bloch? Produce for me a single instance where Hitler ever mentions Hanussen (not that it matters since you take 95% of his words as lies).

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    That is bordering on an ad hominem. I am predominately Germanic. Credit me with having some insight into my racial soul! The true Germanic spirit, the spirit of Hermann the Cherusker, Widukind, the Saxons who resisted Charlemagne and the Vikings: THAT was the true Germanic spirit, not the shaveling thralls of the post-conversion era!
    So the Jew Heinrich Heine had a better grasp of the Germanic spirit than Germans did?

    When Hitler compared Stalin's measures to Charlemagne, that was a compliment. They all recognized that their people had to be united, even if it meant sacrificing traditional/sentimental attachments.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    A Socialist may or may not be a Nationalist. A Nationalist may or may not be a Socialist. The vast majority of Nationalists on this forum appear not to be Socialists but anti-Socialist and pro-Capitalist. I am the exception to the rule.
    Wow, so you don't even wish to identify with fellow Germans unless they share your opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    That sounds to me as if you are promoting thraldom for Germanic people? All Germanics were Freemen. Only the alien was regarded as a Thrall. The ancient Germanic caste system was modelled on that of the Gods: tripartite but NOT hierarchical but based on FUNCTION.
    So Bismarck was promoting thraldom? I've heard of their love for liberty from Julian but then what is liberty? The ancients taught that freedom must be based on laws of nature.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    'Class' is not a Germanic concept but a modern capitalist one built upon economics. The American one in particular is even more materialistic and completely different to the English one. The Germanic caste system was based upon function, not economics. It had a spiritual value as it was founded upon the tripartite division of the Gods into functions.
    Then what was the Indian caste system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    YOU have used the term "corrupted", not I. You keep ascribing your words to me! Why do you do this? I am not concerned with southern Europeans or their concepts-I am not related to them!
    You said in another topic:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Let me reiterate my position: I reject the corrupt southern and non-Germanic world view. It has no relevance for me and I see no reason to discuss it.
    _____

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    LoL! That is the only attempt at comedy that I have thus far seen in your posts! All I can add to that is wait until you are as old as me and you will see that your memory will begin to fail. It is an inevitable process unless you die young! Books can be handed on. How do you propose to transmit your knowledge?
    Good luck trying to wean Christians off of Job 32:7-9, you won't succeed.

    I have plans extending beyond this lifetime. Everything has been calculated for the future. Whether as a German or as a Jew, I intend to force a Hitler type into existence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    I am not a 'Hitlerist'! You are! Hitlerism is NOT National Socialism. One can be a Hitlerist and not necessarily a National Socialist and a National Socialist without being a Hitlerist. It has taken many years but I have finally seen through Hitler but I do not reject National Socialism, the National Socialism of the likes of Ernst Roehm and the Strasser brothers. You need to move beyond Mein Kampf and Table Talk!
    Who brought Roehm and the Strasser brothers together in the first place? NS wouldn't even have been conceived without a Hitler.

    Another relevant quote:

    "All that is needed is that one man should strike out on a new road and then a crowd of poltroons will prick up their ears and begin to hope that some trifling gain may lie at the end of that road." - MK

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    In your last sentence you advocate Christianity AND Islam. On this point we will never agree. You appear to be very confused in your Weltanschauung! As a Third Positionist I attempt to move beyond the narrow boundaries of 'left' and 'right' but as I have said before, National Socialism is a 'left wing' movement.
    That's a radical conclusion to draw. I merely said they had their merits. It can't be denied that Mohammed achieved greater success than the Christians. He didn't allow petty squabbles and vain speculations over the qualities of god, which has been the curse of Christian sects. Like the neo-Platonists, he placed god out of reach, as the unknowable deity. He showed the greater piety. Ottoman Spain represents the pinnacle of Islam (when it is under the right leadership and guidance).

    Third Positionists, Fascists, Civic Nationalists, etc. are all superficial interpreters.

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    Now you're starting to sound like a misogynist Alt-Right adherent.
    No, I am not a misogynist. See my article: https://aryan-myth-and-metahistory.blogspot.com/2017/06/white-
    sharia-personal-view.html

    I went to a great deal of trouble arguing with the degenerates on the Daily Stormer forum on this very same issue. Men and women have very different functions. I do not believe that a woman's brain is hardwired for political cut and thrust. A society run by women would only result in despotism as history has demonstrated. We are seeing that now with the rise of 'Big Sister'.

    "The state of society in which woman was regarded merely as a slave (as is still the case in certain tribes) would be, if we returned to it, a clear regression for humanity. But it's not the only possible state. In prehistoric times, matriarchy was certainly a fairly widely spread form of social organisation." - Table Talks, March 1, 1942
    Women were not treated as slaves in Germanic society. History, archaeology, Tacitus and the Sagas demonstrate that Hitler was wrong or certainly wrong if ascribing such remarks to the Germanic tribes. Historians are now coming to the view that the concept of ancient matriarchal societies has been somewhat overplayed.

    Never mind whether or not Hitler said this. The content speaks common sense. Plus, you've completely overlooked the sources I've cited which describe the veneration for women among ancient Germanics.
    No, I have not "completely overlooked" the sources, I have simply disputed their political involvement.

    So you dismiss even those private talks as propaganda. Shocking. Let's just get straight to the point: are the table talks reliable or not?
    Yes, I take the personal view that Hitler's Table Talk is reliable as far as I can ascertain.

    Was your grandfather well-known or obscure? Are you suggesting that your grandfather experienced a decline in health due to Hitler? Was he a Jew like Goldman?
    Ad hominem for which I expect an apology. I am NOT a Jew. My grandfather Hermann August Wilhelm Bock was a veteran of WWI, a buglar who was wounded at least 3 times (I have seen newspaper evidence) and a recipient of the Iron Cross. He was by occupation a self employed Stone Mason who died at the age of 46 from dust on his lungs from his job. If I were a Jew or my grandfather were a Jew then my mother would never have been permitted to marry a member of the SS. So retract your remark!
    The Wiccans would disagree with your assessment.
    I could not care what Wiccans believe. It is a completely made up religion. (I do not include Seax-Wicca in that remark)

    Your preferred strategy seems to be discrediting any source or person which disagrees with your views.
    As you have done by implying that I am a Jew!

    The claim that Hitler had a preferred astrologer (and a Jew to boot!) seems to have originated with Walter C. Langer, who was in the employ of OSS, a predecessor of the CIA. Sounds like wartime propaganda to me.
    On the contrary it is very well documented. See Professor Eric Kurlander's Hitler's Monsters, 2017.

    If Hanussen was so precious to Hitler, why didn't Hitler mention him in his private conversations like he did with Otto Weininger? Or why did Hanussen not receive the same privileged arrangements as Eduard Bloch? Produce for me a single instance where Hitler ever mentions Hanussen (not that it matters since you take 95% of his words as lies).
    Hitler deliberately avoided any discussion of his interests in the Occult. Naturally he would have been anxious about how this could be perceived, not just by Joe Public but people within his circles. Hitler's horoscope and that of Germany in 1945 are a matter of record.

    So the Jew Heinrich Heine had a better grasp of the Germanic spirit than Germans did?
    What are you inferring?

    When Hitler compared Stalin's measures to Charlemagne, that was a compliment. They all recognized that their people had to be united, even if it meant sacrificing traditional/sentimental attachments.
    Spoken like a true despot (Hitler that is).

    So Bismarck was promoting thraldom? I've heard of their love for liberty from Julian but then what is liberty? The ancients taught that freedom must be based on laws of nature.
    I have no love for Bismarck and his Prussianism.

    Then what was the Indian caste system?
    Not the same as the Germanic caste system although they both derived from the original Proto-Indo-European or Aryan system. The Sudra caste is unique to the Indian system as this caste of thralls were non-Aryan. The Germanic peoples did not as a rule encounter aliens and so there are just 3 castes, this is a reflection of the tripartite division of the Gods by function according to Dumezil.

    I have plans extending beyond this lifetime. Everything has been calculated for the future. Whether as a German or as a Jew, I intend to force a Hitler type into existence.
    LoL. Sounds very dramatic!

    Who brought Roehm and the Strasser brothers together in the first place? NS wouldn't even have been conceived without a Hitler.
    National Socialist groups were already in existence before Hitler joined the German Workers Party. They just did not use that label.

    Third Positionists, Fascists, Civic Nationalists, etc. are all superficial interpreters.
    And Hollywood Nazism is a vote winner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Anyway be that as it may that does not alter the fact of the matter that the reforms of the Weimar Republic had not been given a chance to come to fruition. What positive reforms had been made were overturned by Hitler when he betrayed the Socialist aspect of National SOCIALISM. Likewise BLiar betrayed Socialism in the 1990s in the United Kingdom.
    Look, what Hitler "betrayed" was the communist aspect of the eternal-revolution "socialism". He actually wanted to achieve something, instead of eternally destroy everything as envisioned by Communism.

    We did not want Communism. And we do not want Communism today either.

    Ah yes, the Autobahnen-built to enable Hitler to get his Panzers from one German border to the opposite German border-built for the purpose of war, not peace! Please read this fascinating article about Hitler and the Autobahn myth: https://www.dw.com/en/the-myth-of-hi...ahn/a-16144981
    Oh yeah, DW is certainly a source that is absolutely unbiased and reliable... not!

    This is a CIA propaganda outlet, and I'm well aware of the propaganda pieces that want to tell everyone that Hitler from day one of his reign did nothing else than planning for war and that the Autobahn was only for tanks and all that blah...

    Go learn some real history, learn to put things into perspective. This has been discussed about a million times, not going to repeat it.


    Your ranting about 'perversion' is something I would expect to hear at a Billy Graham crusade. You are not a Christian by any chance? As a heathen I do not appreciate your moralising which appears to be very Judeo-Christian in tone.
    So you think child sex, sodomy, prostitution in open streets, promotion of homosexuality etc is "pagan"?
    No, it's not. This is perversion. And one does not need to be a "christian" to see that. Unless, of course, one is a Communist at heart and loves to promote CulturalMarxism, the fundamental corruption of human nature.


    You talk about the taxpayer being 'burdened' with the banks being 'too big to fail' but is this not what happened during the 2008 economic collapse when the government of the United Kingdom used taxpayers' money to bail out private banks? Why were they not allowed to fail? What sort of fake 'capitalism' is that? Can a private citizen go to the government for a bail out? No! One law for the worker and another for the bankster elite!
    With NS wisdom in place these banks had failed, and they had been allowed to fail and default, because in NS they couldnt have caused damage.

    What you mistake for "socialism" in your country today, or Europe in general, however is Communism in disguise. It privatises profit and socialises debt.


    Your criticism of my comments regarding Blair and Thatcherism is very, very telling. You are clearly a Conservative, a type of Nationalist and a supporter of Capitalism. None of these things have anything to do with genuine National Socialism so why call yourself a National Socialist? Mr Rentz needs to do the same. Strasser represented true National SOCIALISM whilst Hitler was the bedmate of Jewish capitalists and Junkers-he betrayed the German Volk. The capitalist elite are not part of the Volk: they are its mortal enemy and should be removed as one would remove a cancer from a sick body.
    But that's what he did? He removed the Jewish bankers, arrested Rothschild, nationalised the national bank, cracked down on Freemasonry etc and attempted - without trashing the sad rests of Germany and German economy - to maintain a functioning economy that actually serves the Volk, which it did with great success.

    YOU are a Communist, and so was Strasser, so seriously dont tell me what I am allowed to call myself and what not.


    You need to choose your side: either you support Das Volk or you support the elite who manipulate the Volk as wage slaves and cannon fodder to fight their Zionist wars! You are straddling the fence-that must be uncomfortable for you.
    Since you're a communist, it's you who's supporting the Zionists and worldwar-mongers.
    And it's you who hate the Volk when you want to impose Communism onto Europe. You know that Communism killed ~100 Million Russians? And that despite the fact that Stalin, out of necessity, transformed Bolshevism to some kind of "national bolshevism", yet, the war against his own people continued. As said before, Communism is not supposed to achieve a status of "total equality and happyness", it is designed as an "eternal revolution" that must destroy.

    And you ask me to chose sides? Now that's fun.

    You also without knowledge attack my avatar which is a symbol of National Anarchism as promoted by Troy Southgate, a good friend to Woden's Folk who has kindly published our writings. You clearly do not understand Third Positionism which goes beyond the narrow confines of the outdated 'left' and 'right' which have done nothing but cause division for our peoples. The Sunwheel/Wotan's Eye is hardly an 'antifa' symbol.
    You can pin the solar cross onto a Communist star all you want, it does not change a thing about the Communist star itself. National Anarchy, Anarcho-Communist, Räterepubliken, call it whatever you want, IT IS STILL COMMUNISM and I'm not going to support it.

    Apparently, your personal bias due to "kindness" is blinding you. Not that it suprises...


    Ancient Europe once existed without artificial man-made 'hierarchies' and even the ancient Germanic caste system was not hierarchical but merely represented on earth the tripartite division of labour or function as existed in Asgard.
    According to lore it was Heimdall who created the ranks among man, and yes, they were hierachical, yes, they did not mean "total equality" and no, we did not have "foreigners" for Thralls, that were our own people, with the Thralls being "the broad masses" set free through the Communist revolutions in the early-mid 19th century (the French Revolution was communist in nature as well, even though Communism was not yet formulated) to create a voter base from the depraved for the very christian=communist dream dystopia of "equality".

    Thralls, or Serfs, were not "free men", Karls were free men and Jarls the nobility/leadership. Both Jarls and Karls "owned" Thralls, while having at the same time responsibility for them. With "liberating" them (French Rev., subsequent revolutions throughout Europe 1848/50), all that was achieved was huge parts of the population being forced to be "self-reliant" (which they never learned and arent suitable for either) over night, and, as expected, impoverished as a result. Likewise the "free men"/nobility impoverished, because suddenly they no longer had workers to maintain the Gutshof/Estates and had to give chunks of their land to the now set-free Serfs, who in turn gave up to farm tiny pieces of land for the "self-reliance" fantasy shortly after because it is an entirely retarded system that CAN only lead to large impoverishment and takes down the "middle class" with it.

    Then comes the Communists and rile up these poor people to trash the rest of the functional economy by mimimi means of production must be in the hands of impoverished, undereducated mental thralls who can only fail on all levels (so that the international "elites" can grab everything while you slaughter your own people and are busy to look the other way).

    You're so hostile to "elites" of every and any form, of the very powers that guide society, that you happily pour out the baby with the bath. You are indeed an anarcho-communist, not a National Socialist. NS sought to replace the evil, internationalist "elites" with homegrown ones (we have those 'good elites' since the early industrialisation already, while often chaotic, German Socialism began to form already within the Hanse trade network, it's older than any "political ideology") and enforce the systems to serve the Volk as a whole. Fact is: 90% of people are sheep who cannot and will never be able to create anything on their own. They are dragged along, are happy to serve whatever "job", being a wheel in the machinery and are neither able to nor interested in "doing politics" or whatever. Does not mean they are useless, non-human, bad people or otherwise "trash", but they must be formed and guided. Cutting away what you call "elites" is a certain way to create a third world shithole country. NS had no interest in doing that, in fact, Weimar Germany was a third world shithole country. NS wanted Germany - and Europe - to florish, to create conditions in which people, the "middle class"/creators and the sheeple alike, could live and thrive and be uplifted as a whole on culture and civilisation.

    Did NS achieve all of it? Unfortunately not, but by 1937 Germany no longer was a third world shithole country, but one, once more, with great potential and future. That was bombed to dust, again, because the evil elites that govern you (and me and everyone) today still / again couldnt have a strong, proud Nation blocking their international-communist Global Empire Order, which you are serving by promoting Communism aka thirdworldshitholecounty-ism.
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    Look, what Hitler "betrayed" was the communist aspect of the eternal-revolution "socialism". He actually wanted to achieve something, instead of eternally destroy everything as envisioned by Communism.
    He went to bed with Jewish capitalists. He illegally executed the left wing of the NSDAP. He led millions of good German men to their deaths, bleeding Germany dry of its finest stock. Through his reckless actions he destroyed the existing Aryan world order. He acted dishonourably in attacking the USSR with whom he had a pact -a dishonourable and treacherous act. He changed Europe for ever-for the worse.

    We did not want Communism. And we do not want Communism today either.
    Some did, some didn't. There is no collective 'we'.

    Oh yeah, DW is certainly a source that is absolutely unbiased and reliable... not!
    I have always found it an informative source. No source is unbiased. If you believe that then you are naïve. When you are older you will learn to read between the lines.

    This is a CIA propaganda outlet, and I'm well aware of the propaganda pieces that want to tell everyone that Hitler from day one of his reign did nothing else than planning for war and that the Autobahn was only for tanks and all that blah...
    Given your sympathy for Drumpf and American capitalism that should please you, surely?

    Go learn some real history, learn to put things into perspective. This has been discussed about a million times, not going to repeat it.
    My dear boy I gained O Levels in History when you were still in your cot!

    So you think child sex, sodomy, prostitution in open streets, promotion of homosexuality etc is "pagan"?
    No, it's not. This is perversion. And one does not need to be a "christian" to see that. Unless, of course, one is a Communist at heart and loves to promote CulturalMarxism, the fundamental corruption of human nature.
    No, you have just said that, not me. I am not a Jew, Christian or Muslim; I do not moralise. You however appear to have a very Christian morality. Things in themselves are neither 'good' nor 'evil'. There are no moral absolutes. It is only a matter of utility. You come across as very uptight and 'preachy' as the Americans say.

    With NS wisdom in place these banks had failed, and they had been allowed to fail and default, because in NS they couldnt have caused damage.
    I am sorry but this sentence does not make any sense to me. Think about what you want to say and rephrase it please!

    What you mistake for "socialism" in your country today, or Europe in general, however is Communism in disguise. It privatises profit and socialises debt.
    There is no Socialism in England, only Capitalism. Perhaps if Corbyn is elected that may change. What you are describing is neither Socialism nor Communism but Capitalism.


    But that's what he did? He removed the Jewish bankers, arrested Rothschild, nationalised the national bank, cracked down on Freemasonry etc and attempted - without trashing the sad rests of Germany and German economy - to maintain a functioning economy that actually serves the Volk, which it did with great success.
    In custody for a mere 4 months in 1938 and quite friendly with Himmler too! We shall not dwell of course on the rumour that Hitler's father was the bastard son of a member of the Rothschild family.

    YOU are a Communist, and so was Strasser, so seriously dont tell me what I am allowed to call myself and what not.
    That depends upon your definition of 'Communism'. If you give me your definition I will tell you if I think I am or not. My Socialism is a racial Socialism vis-a-vis Jack London, William Morris, etc. Even still in the 1960s Socialists could be racialists too. See: https://libertyconservative.com/jack...ialism-racist/

    Your knee jerk reaction to Socialism and Communism is very American-almost shades of 1950s McCarthyism. Very uptight about things aren't you? EVERYTHING has to be black and white and neatly fitting into a pigeonhole.

    Since you're a communist, it's you who's supporting the Zionists and worldwar-mongers.
    And it's you who hate the Volk when you want to impose Communism onto Europe.
    It is YOU that says that I am a 'Communist'. As I do not know what definition you are using I cannot agree with you at this point. You see I try not to label myself. Once again we are back to your deep-seated need to pigeonhole everything. You appear to need certainty in life; am I right? I do not hate the Volk, none of the Voelker which I am descended from do I hate. Indeed I hate no one because of their race-or political/religious beliefs. Hate is a negative emotion which we need to free ourselves from. When you reflect on things you will se that there is neither subject nor object neither me nor thou. It is all an illusion.

    You know that Communism killed ~100 Million Russians? And that despite the fact that Stalin, out of necessity, transformed Bolshevism to some kind of "national bolshevism", yet, the war against his own people continued.
    That's very sad and is quite typical of the Slavic mentality. It is difficult for me to judge as I do not have any Slavic ancestry. However that said should we count the millions that died due to Hitlerism?

    As said before, Communism is not supposed to achieve a status of "total equality and happyness", it is designed as an "eternal revolution" that must destroy.
    I wasn't aware that I was promoting 'Communism', only National Socialism. You seem to be obsessed. In the 1960s and 1970s there was an expression about looking for a "red under every bed". Are you one of those? A Red hunter?

    And you ask me to chose sides? Now that's fun.
    It is a valid question. You defend western capitalism at every opportunity and by doing so you defend the elite, the alien rootless elite who act as a parasite in the body of the Volk. You cannot be a Capitalist AND a National Socialist. For the sake of your mental wellbeing you need to choose! Whose side are you on 'Velvet'?

    You can pin the solar cross onto a Communist star all you want, it does not change a thing about the Communist star itself. National Anarchy, Anarcho-Communist, Räterepubliken, call it whatever you want, IT IS STILL COMMUNISM and I'm not going to support it.
    Have you never read any of Troy's books? They are very good you know. Try not to label things, looking superficially at the title when it is the essence of the thing that counts.

    Apparently, your personal bias due to "kindness" is blinding you. Not that it suprises...
    Well whatever you may think of either Troy or myself we have been exposed on the Internet by anti-fa websites, exposing my offline identity and accusing me of being a "Hitler worshipper in the literal sense" but according to you I am a card carrying member of the Communist Party! There is humour somewhere in that juxtaposition of contrary accusations!


    According to lore it was Heimdall who created the ranks among man, and yes, they were hierachical, yes, they did not mean "total equality" and no, we did not have "foreigners" for Thralls, that were our own people,
    I have written about this subject-who created the Germanic order of castes and I have come to the conclusion that it was not Heimdall but Odin due to an error in the texts. See http://celto-germanic.blogspot.com/2...rigsthula.html
    It is quite clear to me when one examines the racial characteristics of the Thralls that these people were not Germanic but an inferior race. They occupy one of the three Germanic castes because the Germanic caste system is a distortion of the original Indo-European caste system which had separate priestly and warrior castes. These two castes were fused together to form the Jarl caste. I have discussed this: http://celto-germanic.blogspot.com/2...appraisal.html

    The Germanic people did have slaves, gained via battle and/or trading. This was commonplace by the time of the Viking Age.


    You're so hostile to "elites" of every and any form, of the very powers that guide society, that you happily pour out the baby with the bath. You are indeed an anarcho-communist, not a National Socialist. NS sought to replace the evil, internationalist "elites" with homegrown ones
    I am a supporter of a Germanic caste system for it divides Germanic society into a tripartite reflection of the Aesir. However the Germanic caste system as I have already pointed out underwent a distortion from Priest/Warrior/Producer to Jarl (combined Priest/Warrior)/Producer (Karl) and Thrall (non-Germanic racial element-the slave). My plan would be to restore the original Indo-European system as this better reflects the divine division of function or LABOUR. There is no hierarchy in this system but each contributing his skills and receiving what he needs. There is no need for money to exchange hands, no need for capital, banks and banksters. True Neolithic tribalism, free from the taint of money, of capitalism. There would thus be no need for an elite. Instead each should strive for harmonious balance with his or her fellow man and nature itself.

    Did NS achieve all of it? Unfortunately not, but by 1937 Germany no longer was a third world shithole country, but one, once more, with great potential and future. That was bombed to dust, again, because the evil elites that govern you (and me and everyone) today still / again couldnt have a strong, proud Nation blocking their international-communist Global Empire Order, which you are serving by promoting Communism aka thirdworldshitholecounty-ism.
    If we are both against the elites then that is something we have in common. There is more, much more that unites us than divides us. The elite relies on our people being divided into the false French revolution era 'left' and 'right'. Is it not time that we move beyond that for the sake of our shared German and Germanic blood?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    He went to bed with Jewish capitalists. He illegally executed the left wing of the NSDAP. He led millions of good German men to their deaths, bleeding Germany dry of its finest stock. Through his reckless actions he destroyed the existing Aryan world order. He acted dishonourably in attacking the USSR with whom he had a pact -a dishonourable and treacherous act. He changed Europe for ever-for the worse.

    You are - falsely - assuming that everything that happened happened on German initiative, which you should know is not the case. We took back Prussia from the Poles, then Britain and the other countries of the Commonwealth (Canada, NZ, Oz,... what did they even have to do with anything?) declared war on us to "secure the territorital integrity of the Versailles-Treaty-Poland, a created pretext and merely an excuse for the (((globalists))) to war against Germany once more.

    Tell me, why did the same countries inscenate WorldWar One against Germany? There was no "Hitler-monster" yet, so what was the excuse then? I will tell you, it was our mere existence as a Reich.

    And let's start right there in 1917 with the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia, which was financed and supported by New York (((bankers))) and the British secret service, that same secret service that is behind the inscenated assassination of the Serbian prince to start WWI and trick Germany into it. Although we didnt have anything to do with any of it, we got the sole blame for everything.

    If you havent noticed, not only Russia was regime-changed in 1917, also Germany, which was the entire purpose of the World War to begin with: destroy the monarchy in Russia and Germany and drive the two countries against each other. Already during the war several "communist republics" (Räterepublic in Munich, was quickly overhauled though, and other places) criss cross through Germany have been declared, in Berlin even two different, (((Karl Liebknecht))) of Spartakusbund/KPD declared the "free socialistic republic", Phillip Scheidemann (Social Democrats) declared the "German Republic", which became the Weimar Republic. The November-revolution had driven out all 22 monarchs from Germany, many fled, including the Kaiser, never to return out of fear to meet the same fate like the Russian Tsar, since everywhere Communists infested Germany.

    You're aware that the Soviet Union had mobilised thousands of tanks and millions of soldiers on the western border already, ready to roll over Europe as planned, financed, supported and wanted by the "western powers" that also warred against Germany when Hitler allegedly attacked the USSR "out of nothing"? No you arent, and if you know, you still chose to ignore it and instead repeat the Allied lies and propaganda that is so convenient to do to maintain the "monster image" of Hitler and "Nazi Germany".


    Some did, some didn't. There is no collective 'we'.
    Unfortunately not. But we had seen what the Communists did to Germany, and to Russia, and those with a thinking mind came to support NS whose expressed goal it was to eradicate the Jewish spirit and its various outgrowths from Germany.


    I have always found it an informative source. No source is unbiased. If you believe that then you are naïve. When you are older you will learn to read between the lines.
    Okay granny...

    DW is only then an "informative source" if you keep in mind, vouching every single word with this in mind, that it is foreign war propaganda against Germany. If you take anything, as you did, for "truth" and abuse it to bash Germany with war propaganda lies, you better take your own advise and learn to check sources.


    Given your sympathy for Drumpf and American capitalism that should please you, surely?
    I grow a little bit sick of your twisting lies and ad hominems. Be advised that this will not turn out well for you if you decide to break a war.

    My dear boy I gained O Levels in History when you were still in your cot!
    First, granny, I'm a woman, second, you're one of those idiots who can cite about a million books and still havent understand a thing about what you try to talk about. Right in line with recently banned Baorn (you're not by chance an incarnation of that troll, are you?)...


    No, you have just said that, not me. I am not a Jew, Christian or Muslim; I do not moralise. You however appear to have a very Christian morality. Things in themselves are neither 'good' nor 'evil'. There are no moral absolutes. It is only a matter of utility. You come across as very uptight and 'preachy' as the Americans say.
    You're moralising all the time, you preach your "truth" (language thread, gun laws and all the other threads where you bitch about every little detail) to everyone who's interested or not.

    For you, this is fine, because you think you are entitled to judge everyone and everything and know everything better than anybody else, but a judgement about the Weimar Republic, how degenerate, downtrodden, corrupted and perverted people had become under the (indeed very christian-religious) hystery of the Communists, this is wrong and you abuse it for another entitled lecture?

    Okay...


    I am sorry but this sentence does not make any sense to me. Think about what you want to say and rephrase it please!
    Of course you dont. Because you dont understand the context. Because you are a communist.


    There is no Socialism in England, only Capitalism. Perhaps if Corbyn is elected that may change. What you are describing is neither Socialism nor Communism but Capitalism.
    Must be cozy in those little boxes.

    Corbyn is a Communist. But I'm not surprised to see you root for him.



    That depends upon your definition of 'Communism'. If you give me your definition I will tell you if I think I am or not. My Socialism is a racial Socialism vis-a-vis Jack London, William Morris, etc. Even still in the 1960s Socialists could be racialists too. See: https://libertyconservative.com/jack...ialism-racist/
    Indeed, "Social Democrats" invented eugenics, murdered thousands of their own Volk, in America as well as Britain or Scandinavia, just like their "Social Democrat" brothers did in Russia.

    Look, there is only one Communism. Just because it dresses in different clothes, it's still the same Jewish, rotten corpse under them. If you are deceived by that, this is not my fault. Communism is christianity for atheists. It's a promise of a paradise that will never come about. Like christianity, communism is the eternal revolution against "evil" that prevents this paradise. But it can only forever destroy.


    Your knee jerk reaction to Socialism and Communism is very American-almost shades of 1950s McCarthyism. Very uptight about things aren't you? EVERYTHING has to be black and white and neatly fitting into a pigeonhole.
    I'm trying to explain to you that Nationalsozialismus is not (marxist) "Socialism", that it is not a planned economy, not "means of production in state hands" nonsense, not paradise-fantasy of everything-or-nothing-belongs-to-everyone-or-no-one bullcrap.

    What you promote with your reference to "Means of Production in State-hands" is straight out of Marx' Das Kapital.
    You ignore the detail that this "state" is factually owned by Rothschild banks (all communist states were from the day of "revolution" Rothschild-owned, Russia, China, the Weimar Republic, you name it), that the people actually possess nothing and are reduced to cattle.

    This was not the goal of NS, however. NS sought to take back full control of the National Bank, issued Rothschild-free money backed with actual values produced not debt, instead of planned economy, they promoted and encouraged entrepeneurship (in Communism, you cant even run your own bakery shop on your own initiative, it's all "collectives" run by slave-cattle, let alone anything else), but put themselves great emphasis on "infrastructure" which they understood to be a core duty of a State to provide.

    NS did not want planned famines, shortages of anything to keep people down and "control" them, or other such nonsense. They wanted the individual and the community (Volksgemeinschaft) to florish, and they valued the initiative of individuals to invent, create, make businesses to create jobs which give people an income and in general a vibrant economy (in as much this was possible, specially later, with sanctions and blockades in place since the declaration of war against Germany in 1933), promoted culture and civilisation to actually uplift both the individual and the Volksgemeinschaft.

    NS was not "anti-economy", unlike communism. No economy, no livelihood, no life, no civilisation. It's that easy. NS did not want that, so instead they put a system into place that forced the economy to serve the Volksgemeinschaft.



    It is YOU that says that I am a 'Communist'. As I do not know what definition you are using I cannot agree with you at this point. You see I try not to label myself. Once again we are back to your deep-seated need to pigeonhole everything. You appear to need certainty in life; am I right? I do not hate the Volk, none of the Voelker which I am descended from do I hate. Indeed I hate no one because of their race-or political/religious beliefs. Hate is a negative emotion which we need to free ourselves from. When you reflect on things you will se that there is neither subject nor object neither me nor thou. It is all an illusion.
    Yeah, we're all one in christ, right?

    You see, this is where you get inconsistent.

    And you clearly have not understood NS, since you continue to conflate it with communist terms, meanings and goals. You follow an expressed Bolshevik (Strasser) even, but it is this, what he promoted and the general "left-wing" of the NSDAP, which was indeed an internal party problem from the start, what NS, Hitler, wanted to get rid off, because it would only ever lead to a copy of the Bolshevist Russia with millions of dead people, not through actual war but through the system itself.

    I really dont get why anyone with a sane mind would promote that?

    That's very sad and is quite typical of the Slavic mentality. It is difficult for me to judge as I do not have any Slavic ancestry. However that said should we count the millions that died due to Hitlerism?
    Less than 300,000 dead Jews, most of them died on Typhus in the Deportation (not extermination) camps.
    The socalled "Resistance" within Germany counted into something 30,000 people, most of them Communists and Jews, many of them in "personal-union", ie Jewish Communists.

    The war dead, well, go complain to the western-bolshevic Alliance for going to war against Germany. If they simply had agreed to Germany taking back Prussia - the very heart of Germany - nothing of this had happened.
    Can we talk about 20Mio killed Germans who had to die for the (((globalist))) imperial ambitions? That same ambitions that already killed 20Mio Germans in World War One just 25 years before?

    But it's so convenient to blame Germany, everyone does it, after all. It's the established viewpoint that Germany is the evil incarnate, so bash on freely.


    It is a valid question. You defend western capitalism at every opportunity and by doing so you defend the elite, the alien rootless elite who act as a parasite in the body of the Volk. You cannot be a Capitalist AND a National Socialist. For the sake of your mental wellbeing you need to choose! Whose side are you on 'Velvet'?
    I dont defend "western capitalism", but I'm not pouring out the baby with the bath either. See above, NS was not anti-economy, only anti-(((internationalists))) take over of national structures, banks, stock exchange and other such "finance-capitalist" nonsense that bleed nations and volks dry to enrich foreign and hostile (((bankers))).


    I have written about this subject-who created the Germanic order of castes and I have come to the conclusion that it was not Heimdall but Odin due to an error in the texts. See http://celto-germanic.blogspot.com/2...rigsthula.html
    It is quite clear to me when one examines the racial characteristics of the Thralls that these people were not Germanic but an inferior race.

    The Germanic people did have slaves, gained via battle and/or trading. This was commonplace by the time of the Viking Age.
    What's the point of bringing in thousands of racial aliens?

    The Volk, a racial/ethnic and culturally alike people makes the nation, remember? It's what the "national" in "Nationalsocialism" refers to. It also sought to overcome and not repeat past mistakes.

    Having said this, the law of nature creates packs in which all follow the command of the alpha.
    This confused view that "every single Germanic" is by nature an alpha would result in no alphas at all, because this fantasy lacks the followers.

    So if we dont want to import racial aliens, we will have to realise hierarchy in a different manner. It is how societies function, not everyone is "boss", it's not possible. There will be doers and makers, and there will be those who just follow the footsteps and serve a purpose in the whole. That does not mean that we treat them badly, or like slaves, or that we can ignore them and their wellbeing (if you do, you get Bauernaufstände/peasant revolts).

    In all honesty, I do think that the Serfs of the 17th/18th/19th century had a happier and better life than most people today, even though they were "unfree" (ask someone with low income how "free" they really are when everything costs money). They were not treated badly, they had a living, a home, a cultural and societal life nontheless.

    I am a supporter of a Germanic caste system for it divides Germanic society into a tripartite reflection of the Aesir. However the Germanic caste system as I have already pointed out underwent a distortion from Priest/Warrior/Producer to Jarl (combined Priest/Warrior)/Producer (Karl) and Thrall (non-Germanic racial element-the slave).
    I would contest that notion, since there is a fundamental lack of proof for the mass-importation of racial aliens. And it would have to be mass-importation since the "labour faction" of also tribes made up 90% of a tribe, later lands, kingdoms, duchies, whathaveyou. You're claiming that 90% of that consisted of racial aliens. In that case, given human nature which fucks everything that isnt on the tree on three, there would be no more Germanics, all mixed away.

    My plan would be to restore the original Indo-European system as this better reflects the divine division of function or LABOUR. There is no hierarchy in this system but each contributing his skills and receiving what he needs. There is no need for money to exchange hands, no need for capital, banks and banksters. True Neolithic tribalism, free from the taint of money, of capitalism. There would thus be no need for an elite. Instead each should strive for harmonious balance with his or her fellow man and nature itself.
    I see you would have loved the hystery of "hippy communities" that came about in the wake of the Reformation.

    Even Neolithic people did trade with a "neutral exchange good" (be it Amber or gold or whatever) over continents. You know why? Because exchanging a cow for a bread isnt going to work out that well.

    Look, money is merely a neutral exchange good, which splits your produce into units that you can spend freely. It literally creates freedom. And it creates the space within "labour" to specialise in professions and craftsmenships and skills. As such, a neutral exchange good (whatever it may be, it's really irrelevant) is the driver towards specialisation=civilisation.

    If you cut out the neutral exchange good from the system, you end up with "hippy communities" with impoverished, most time sick because malnutritioned people with next to no skills, because everyone is busy "surviving" (in a very literal sense) instead of having the freedom to excell in a skill and start to create civilisation.

    This reflex of "anti-money" (which is conflated with the banking system) is in reality anti-civilisation.

    Again, NS wanted to take control back over the banks, the currency (which is based in belief not anymore than the belief that Amber had value or gold or glass pearls) and protect them from being taken over by foreign, hostile powers, instead of pouring out the baby with the bath and trash civilisation for a hippy community.


    If we are both against the elites then that is something we have in common. There is more, much more that unites us than divides us. The elite relies on our people being divided into the false French revolution era 'left' and 'right'. Is it not time that we move beyond that for the sake of our shared German and Germanic blood?
    Absolutely, but I'm not going to support communism, paradise fantasies or some kind of romantic notion of tribal hippy communities. And so didnt NS, which was very interested in not only keeping civilisation, but advancing it.

    We can gladly discuss Hitler's (misguided) obsession with Roman stuff to the point of ditching Germanic aesthetics, culture etc and I'd be right there with you.
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    You are - falsely - assuming that everything that happened happened on German initiative, which you should know is not the case. We took back Prussia from the Poles,
    "We took back"? Why do you associate yourself with a government that ceased to exist 73 years ago, 28 years before you were born? There is in reality no collective 'we' as I have already pointed out. As an aside I notice how individuals always identify themselves personally with the actions of the government of the country in which they reside. The reason why I mention this is because I see it an awful lot from people generally, regardless of their political views. Your statement is interesting however as you have in one sentence revealed the reason for Hitler's opening of WWII-the taking of territory from Poland; except that he miscalculated, didn't he?

    then Britain and the other countries of the Commonwealth (Canada, NZ, Oz,... what did they even have to do with anything?) declared war on us to "secure the territorital integrity of the Versailles-Treaty-Poland, a created pretext and merely an excuse for the (((globalists))) to war against Germany once more.
    I agree that there were elements in the British government that were hell-bent on keeping Germany down. However this goes back to the old concept of European balance of power-a game played by the major European powers for centuries.

    Tell me, why did the same countries inscenate WorldWar One against Germany? There was no "Hitler-monster" yet, so what was the excuse then? I will tell you, it was our mere existence as a Reich.
    I do not believe that there was any big conspiracy, only a collective madness that had been brewing since the inauguration of the Second Reich. A Cold War that turned into a hot one-shades of Drumpf and Putin?

    And let's start right there in 1917 with the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia, which was financed and supported by New York (((bankers))) and the British secret service, that same secret service that is behind the inscenated assassination of the Serbian prince to start WWI and trick Germany into it. Although we didnt have anything to do with any of it, we got the sole blame for everything.
    Yes, the same little game still played today with the USA and its interfering 'regime change' of any country that fails to do its nefarious bidding.

    If you havent noticed, not only Russia was regime-changed in 1917, also Germany, which was the entire purpose of the World War to begin with: destroy the monarchy in Russia and Germany and drive the two countries against each other.
    No, I believe that it was literally a collective madness on ALL sides. War is bad-the peoples of Europe will not enter into such a madness again-people these days are better informed and not willing to be used as cannon fodder for the secret elite that really governs their lands. War kills! War destroys what we have built up!

    Already during the war several "communist republics" (Räterepublic in Munich, was quickly overhauled though, and other places) criss cross through Germany have been declared, in Berlin even two different, (((Karl Liebknecht))) of Spartakusbund/KPD declared the "free socialistic republic", Phillip Scheidemann (Social Democrats) declared the "German Republic", which became the Weimar Republic. The November-revolution had driven out all 22 monarchs
    Yes revolution in 1918 interfered with Germany's successes and gains on the battlefield. However what good did these princelings serve other than their own good? Certainly not Das Volk!

    from Germany, many fled, including the Kaiser, never to return out of fear to meet the same fate like the Russian Tsar, since everywhere Communists infested Germany.
    I doubt that the people would have welcomed him back and Hitler certainly would not have! He had a dim view of hereditary monarchies! (Rightly so)

    You're aware that the Soviet Union had mobilised thousands of tanks and millions of soldiers on the western border already, ready to roll over Europe as planned, financed, supported and wanted by the "western powers" that also warred against Germany when Hitler allegedly attacked the USSR "out of nothing"?
    Then how strange that Hitler's invasion took them entirely by surprise and the Wehrmacht advanced hundreds of miles into the USSR in a relatively short period of time. A country having troops on its borders is a perfectly natural event and yet you read a malignant design on the behalf of Stalin!

    No you arent, and if you know, you still chose to ignore it and instead repeat the Allied lies and propaganda that is so convenient to do to maintain the "monster image" of Hitler and "Nazi Germany".
    It only gradually became a 'monster'. Hitler should have rested on his laurels and not have gone any further after 1938 and perhaps history would have been kinder to our race?

    Unfortunately not. But we had seen what the Communists did to Germany, and to Russia, and those with a thinking mind came to support NS whose expressed goal it was to eradicate the Jewish spirit and its various outgrowths from Germany.
    "Eradicate the Jewish spirit" you say but Hitler got into bed with the capitalists instead of completing the revolution and also ridding Germany of the Junker Officer class. Instead he feared the Junkers despite the numerical advantage of the SA.

    First, granny, I'm a woman, second, you're one of those idiots who can cite about a million books and still havent understand a thing about what you try to talk about. Right in line with recently banned Baorn (you're not by chance an incarnation of that troll, are you?)...
    My apologies, I was not aware of this. For a woman you are very political and very tough-not encountered that before.

    You're moralising all the time, you preach your "truth" (language thread, gun laws and all the other threads where you bitch about every little detail) to everyone who's interested or not.
    This is a discussion forum, not a tea club. Before I came along it appeared to be asleep. I have woken you all up. Debate is good. If you cannot handle debate online from someone who in reality IS your side and loves the German Volk and the Germanic peoples collectively then how would you cope offline when confronted with neo-liberals and cultural Marxists who desire our demise? Just because we have different views on the essence of National Socialism should not make us enemies. I actually respect your fighting spirit. You are truly a tough debater and have given me a run for my money. I wish you no ill will.

    For you, this is fine, because you think you are entitled to judge everyone and everything and know everything better than anybody else, but a judgement about the Weimar Republic, how degenerate, downtrodden, corrupted and perverted people had become under the (indeed very christian-religious) hystery of the Communists, this is wrong and you abuse it for another entitled lecture?
    The world has always been 'degenerate'. That is human nature. As long as people do not interfere with my freedoms I have no desire to interfere with their freedoms. Of course I do not advocate the harming of children or any other innocents but beyond that I do not care what people do.

    Of course you dont. Because you dont understand the context. Because you are a communist.
    I don't think that I am a 'Communist', not in the sense that you mean it.

    Must be cozy in those little boxes.
    I am not sure that I understand your meaning?

    Corbyn is a Communist. But I'm not surprised to see you root for him.
    He puts the ordinary people first. The elite are terrified of the prospect of him becoming Prime Minister. He is the only anti-Zionist party leader and the Zionists hate him. THAT alone is enough for him to get my vote. In addition he would scrap nuclear weapons and would refuse to launch nuclear weapons. A good thing surely? He is even anti-EU!

    Look, there is only one Communism. Just because it dresses in different clothes, it's still the same Jewish, rotten corpse under them. If you are deceived by that, this is not my fault. Communism is christianity for atheists.
    Communism is no longer a threat. There is no longer a DDR and no longer a USSR so why the obsession? The real threats to our race and our planet is Zionism and Capitalism. It is these that we must now smash.

    It's a promise of a paradise that will never come about. Like christianity, communism is the eternal revolution against "evil" that prevents this paradise. But it can only forever destroy.
    I am only advocating racial Socialism but you seem to see 'Communism' in everything!

    I'm trying to explain to you that Nationalsozialismus is not (marxist) "Socialism", that it is not a planned economy, not "means of production in state hands" nonsense, not paradise-fantasy of everything-or-nothing-belongs-to-everyone-or-no-one bullcrap.
    That is your interpretation of National Socialism gleaned from the practises of the Third Reich but we both know that was not genuine National SOCIALISM but Fascism (Hitler was greatly influenced by that Italian buffoon Mussolini). WHERE was the Socialism in the Third Reich?

    What you promote with your reference to "Means of Production in State-hands" is straight out of Marx' Das Kapital.
    But I do not share Marx's interpretation of world history being a continual class struggle and neither do I share his materialistic Weltanschauung.

    You ignore the detail that this "state" is factually owned by Rothschild banks (all communist states were from the day of "revolution" Rothschild-owned, Russia, China, the Weimar Republic, you name it), that the people actually possess nothing and are reduced to cattle.
    My ultimate organisational model would be tribalism (an aspect of National Anarchism). Nation States inevitably lead to larger organisational blocks such as the EU or empires. I seek to reverse the process. Let States die-they are already dissolving. Let us get back to pure racial tribalism-the way of our ancestors.

    NS did not want planned famines, shortages of anything to keep people down and "control" them, or other such nonsense.
    LoL! Concentration camps? Incarcerating Rune Magians (Marby and Kummer), Astrologers and other Occultists and anyone who thought slightly differently? How oppressive! How totalitarian! Both the USSR and the Third Reich suffocated their peoples with their political straightjackets.

    They wanted the individual and the community (Volksgemeinschaft) to florish, and they valued the initiative of individuals to invent, create, make businesses to create jobs which give people an income
    In my tribalist model there would be no need for money but all members of the tribe contributing their talents and labour for the love of the tribe-an extended family. There would be no 'jobs'. These are the product of the Industrial Revolution which mentally and physically scarred our peoples for ever. Let us return to the rural village, clans and tribes!

    NS was not "anti-economy", unlike communism. No economy, no livelihood, no life, no civilisation. It's that easy. NS did not want that, so instead they put a system into place that forced the economy to serve the Volksgemeinschaft.
    Very materialist way of viewing things and akin to Capitalism.

    Yeah, we're all one in christ, right?
    I mean it. I hate no-one except the elite. I love our peoples and want them to survive but I do NOT seek the genocide of any other racial or religious group. As humans we define ourselves just as much by our difference to other peoples as much as our similarities. All I ask is that each race has its own Lebensraum and not interfere with each other. Give peace a chance!

    You see, this is where you get inconsistent.
    I am human; of course I am 'inconsistent'.

    And you clearly have not understood NS, since you continue to conflate it with communist terms, meanings and goals. You follow an expressed Bolshevik (Strasser) even, but it is this, what he promoted and the general "left-wing" of the NSDAP, which was indeed an internal party problem from the start, what NS, Hitler, wanted to get rid off,
    Well for good or bad I share Strasser's beliefs and goals.

    because it would only ever lead to a copy of the Bolshevist Russia with millions of dead people, not through actual war but through the system itself.
    No, that was not inevitable. The Slavic mentality and spirit is different to the German one.

    Less than 300,000 dead Jews, most of them died on Typhus in the Deportation (not extermination) camps.
    The socalled "Resistance" within Germany counted into something 30,000 people, most of them Communists and Jews, many of them in "personal-union", ie Jewish Communists.
    I do not buy into the 'holocaust' but I do not deny that there was a great deal of ill-treatment and murdering of the Jewish populations. It is folly and counterproductive to say otherwise. This is why we should no longer use the term 'National Socialism' or the Swastika publicly as in the minds of the masses they have become 'tainted'. Instead we must seek a new way. This is why I have in the last 12 months gravitated to racial tribalism.

    The war dead, well, go complain to the western-bolshevic Alliance for going to war against Germany.
    Both sides were to blame. It is now history: time to move on. I am sick of hearing about it. I get flack from Germans and I get flack from the English. I have encountered hatred in England when I was a child and again when there was an upsurge in anti-German sentiment in the early 1990s after German reunification. I encountered an old work colleague who had retired after not seeing him for a few years in 1990 or 1991. I told him that my mother had died and he said to me: "She was German, wasn't she? The only good German is a dead German." Man's inhumanity to man and I tire of it. People need to move on.

    But it's so convenient to blame Germany, everyone does it, after all. It's the established viewpoint that Germany is the evil incarnate, so bash on freely.
    I do not believe that. How can I? I would be hating half of my soul. I am just saying that we cannot and should not use the Third Reich as a model for the future of the Germanic peoples.


    I dont defend "western capitalism", but I'm not pouring out the baby with the bath either. See above, NS was not anti-economy, only anti-(((internationalists))) take over of national structures, banks, stock exchange and other such "finance-capitalist" nonsense that bleed nations and volks dry to enrich foreign and hostile (((bankers))).
    Ok, I understand you position.

    What's the point of bringing in thousands of racial aliens?
    The Volk, a racial/ethnic and culturally alike people makes the nation, remember? It's what the "national" in "Nationalsocialism" refers to. It also sought to overcome and not repeat past mistakes.
    Nations consist of different racial strata as you know. You can see this in Germany and you can see this in England and you can see this in the United Kingdom. No nation is entirely racially homogenous.

    Having said this, the law of nature creates packs in which all follow the command of the alpha.
    This confused view that "every single Germanic" is by nature an alpha would result in no alphas at all, because this fantasy lacks the followers.
    The society of the future will advance from this primitive alpha-beta nonsense. A caste system and tribes.

    So if we dont want to import racial aliens, we will have to realise hierarchy in a different manner. It is how societies function, not everyone is "boss", it's not possible.
    This idea of structuring society in a hierarchical fashion only developed under certain conditions. It is not an inevitable way of structuring societies. There are many indigenous peoples that do not behave in this way; peoples who live closer to nature and not infected with Christianity. We CAN create alternative societies-we do not have to be governed by the way things are now.

    There will be doers and makers, and there will be those who just follow the footsteps and serve a purpose in the whole. That does not mean that we treat them badly, or like slaves, or that we can ignore them and their wellbeing (if you do, you get Bauernaufstände/peasant revolts).
    Our future caste system will not require Thralls. They will be built upon racial lines and be more homogenous than nations.

    In all honesty, I do think that the Serfs of the 17th/18th/19th century had a happier and better life than most people today, even though they were "unfree" (ask someone with low income how "free" they really are when everything costs money). They were not treated badly, they had a living, a home, a cultural and societal life nontheless.
    Yes, I think you may be right in certain respects.

    I see you would have loved the hystery of "hippy communities" that came about in the wake of the Reformation.
    I was a teenager at the tail end of the hippy era and greatly influenced by my elder brother. It does have a certain appeal to me. If you care to analyse it as a subject you will find that it has its origins in pre-war Germany and many voelkisch aspects were carried on into the 1960s and 1970s.

    Even Neolithic people did trade with a "neutral exchange good" (be it Amber or gold or whatever) over continents. You know why? Because exchanging a cow for a bread isnt going to work out that well.
    Communities need to be self sufficient-each contributing his labour and each receiving according to his need. Our ancestors got by without money-at some point we will have to do the same again!

    Look, money is merely a neutral exchange good, which splits your produce into units that you can spend freely. It literally creates freedom. And it creates the space within "labour" to specialise in professions and craftsmenships and skills. As such, a neutral exchange good (whatever it may be, it's really irrelevant) is the driver towards specialisation=civilisation.
    As the New Testament says, the love of it is the 'root of all evil'. Eliminate money, eliminate ownership of land and natural selection will breed these human types out of our gene pool.

    If you cut out the neutral exchange good from the system, you end up with "hippy communities" with impoverished, most time sick because malnutritioned people with next to no skills, because everyone is busy "surviving" (in a very literal sense) instead of having the freedom to excell in a skill and start to create civilisation.
    You underestimate the quality of lifestyle that our ancestors enjoyed in the Neolithic, Copper and Bronze Ages. It is worthy of a study in its own right. The coming Golden Age will involve man walking again with the Gods. We will be elevated to a higher vibrational frequency-our materialistic longings and drives will be for a time eliminated.

    This reflex of "anti-money" (which is conflated with the banking system) is in reality anti-civilisation.
    And THIS is 'civilisation???


    Again, NS wanted to take control back over the banks, the currency (which is based in belief not anymore than the belief that Amber had value or gold or glass pearls) and protect them from being taken over by foreign, hostile powers, instead of pouring out the baby with the bath and trash civilisation for a hippy community.
    The Golden Age will replace this Kali Yuga, this Dark Age and we all need to prepare for it and this entails abandoning these materialistic desires that we have which ultimately hurt our sacred Mother Earth.

    Absolutely, but I'm not going to support communism, paradise fantasies or some kind of romantic notion of tribal hippy communities. And so didnt NS, which was very interested in not only keeping civilisation, but advancing it.
    The Third Reich is dead-it is not coming back. We must seek a new paradigm. We also must raise our spiritual consciousness.

    We can gladly discuss Hitler's (misguided) obsession with Roman stuff to the point of ditching Germanic aesthetics, culture etc and I'd be right there with you.
    There you go Velvet we are in agreement on a few things. A good Yule to you.

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