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    Post Faelids / Borrebies

    Some may have asked themselves what Faelids are in detail. In fact I noticed some asking about it several times now.

    I have assembled a nice bunch of plates and photos of them. Feel free to criticize incorrect entries. The .zip files contain 110 images.

    ...I also hope the files' size does not interfere with the capacities. I might post similar threads for each other race or type. With much less examples though, just the plates mostly.

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    Post Re: Faelids / Borrebies

    Quote Originally Posted by Allenson
    According to SNPA but there is ample skeletal evidence that the Faelid type is indeed, a type of its own and not a composite of two other recognizable types.
    But how can be there so much differences, if Borrebies, Faelids and Nordics lived at the same place since ages? The "Faelid heartland" in Germany, is also heartland of Borrebies, apart from Günther thought Dalarna's people are just Nordics mixed with Baltic blood (I don't know how he estimated the amount of Scandinavian Faelids in Scandinavia in general. I for myself noticed quite similar types, in whatever way the region Dalarna is typical).

    I refer to my own Westphalian family here too.

    My grandmother:
    http://photobucket.com/albums/v417/n...osseltern%20V/
    My father:
    http://photobucket.com/albums/v417/n...Familie/Vater/

    When I posted images of my father, he was classified as Atlantid/Keltic Nordic mix, others said Anglo Saxon. In fact, his mother is a Borreby, but she did not turn any of her children into round-heads/faces. She did not make their heads shorter, but some had lower heads as her husband's cranium shows (very long head in addition). How is that explainable? Isn't she Borreby at all, but a broad-headed Faelid (her face is more sloping and long in profile too afaik)?

    Also notice how ForMyFatherland was classified as Scando-Nordid, while his father was declared a "North Alpine". I generally don't believe that Faelids out of Alpine substrate are very common, apart from Dinaric-like "Keltic Nordics" in Switzerland or France, but these have very different faces as Faelids possess.

    To compare with Faelids, I have attached some South German people which may fit into the "Subnordic" category, but don't show a greater Borreby part. Possibly Austria has more Borrebies/Faelids than my region, but also more Dinarics.

    It is easy to come over actors with Borreby-strains, but a very hard task to find Alpines under them. As Günther noticed, many of the world's thinkers also have a strain of his Fälisch-type... what could be the result of geographic distribution besides that, who knows.
    Last edited by Gareth; Thursday, September 30th, 2004 at 02:27 AM.

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    Post Re: Faelids / Borrebies

    Quote Originally Posted by Gareth
    But how can be there so much differences, if Borrebies, Faelids and Nordics lived at the same place since ages? The "Faelid heartland" in Germany, is also heartland of Borrebies, apart from Günther thought Dalarna's people are just Nordics mixed with Baltic blood (I don't know how he estimated the amount of Scandinavian Faelids in Scandinavia in general. I for myself noticed quite similar types, in whatever way the region Dalarna is typical).

    Well, I'm certain that they are all related now due to just the reason that you've raised--that being that the 'heartland' of these types are in the same region. Whether or not they have a common physical origin, I know naught. Frans may be able to help us out as he seems to be pretty good with the Borrebys!

    I think of Faelids--true Faelids at that, as being the current manifestation in direct line from the Old Man type. This fellow that I made a thread about a while back is a good example (if not a little extreme!) The skull of the Cro-Magnon looks uncannily like it came from the German goalkeeper.

    At a genetic level, I'm certain that Borrebys and Faelids at this point in history are very related and the physical types surface amongst individuals due to assortment of traits (which may or may not be linked).

    Would you say that there are more individuals who take on a Faelid appearance in Germany or Borreby? Or are most somewhere inbetween?



    In many ways, I view this one issue as such: I see a gradation or continuum from the Faelid to the Borreby to the Baltid (with pockets here and there of greater concentration of each) from the North Sea eastward to the Baltic and wrapping up toward and into Finland. I've drawn a very crude map to explain what I mean here and attached it. Feel free to add any corrections! LOL.
    Last edited by Allenson; Friday, October 1st, 2004 at 03:16 PM.

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    Post Re: Faelids / Borrebies

    I can't open the attachments thanks to my bad connection, so I can't really comment on that. I just wanted to ask you to post some pictures of original Brunn and Faelid skulls.
    The Brunn type from Brunn ( Brno ), and to remind you of some original Borreby skulls found in predmost.
    That's a way out of the zone Dalonord suggested.
    I wonder why. Do you have any ideas?

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    Post AW: Re: Faelids / Borrebies

    The SNPA description of the Fälish race is wrong. The term was coined by Günther and applied to large, bulky, blond and blue-eyed, medium- to short faced dolichocephalics. Beside the brachycephaly, the Borrebies and Brünns would fall under his Fälish (Phalian from Westphalia) category.
    He visited Dalarne many times and wrote in "Rassenkunde des Deutschen Volkes" that he didn´t notice more Phalians there than elsewhere in Scandinavia. An inspection of draftees from Dalarne only brought up about 4% short-faced dolichocephalics which he blames to mixture between Nordics and East-Baltics.

    More infos on Günther´s Fälish/Phalian race:
    http://www.white-history.com/earlson/phalian.htm
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    Post Re: AW: Re: Faelids / Borrebies

    But, the Cro-Magnon man was short faced and dolichocephalic.
    In addition, the CI can change depending on nutrition.

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    Post Re: AW: Re: Faelids / Borrebies

    I would need to look at some numbers but I don't know that we can say that Faelids are short faced in absolute terms. I would be willing to guess that by and large, adult male Faelids have morphological face heights in the range of 125-130 mm. It's just that they are wider of face than Nordics proper, thus giving them a lower facial index--perhaps in the mid to upper 80s.

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    Post Re: AW: Re: Faelids / Borrebies

    Quote Originally Posted by Awar
    the CI can change depending on nutrition.
    that was the main reason I'we changeed my subrace from UP to dont know,
    I am dolichocephalic , but my profile pic is questionable ,
    I hope I'll get some latest profile pics soon.

    regards

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    Post Re: AW: Re: Faelids / Borrebies

    Quote Originally Posted by Allenson
    I would need to look at some numbers but I don't know that we can say that Faelids are short faced in absolute terms. I would be willing to guess that by and large, adult male Faelids have morphological face heights in the range of 125-130 mm. It's just that they are wider of face than Nordics proper, thus giving them a lower facial index--perhaps in the mid to upper 80s.
    Yes, I meant that proportional to their large mellons.

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    Re: Faelids / Borrebies

    Quote Originally Posted by Gareth View Post
    Some may have asked themselves what Faelids are in detail. In fact I noticed some asking about it several times now.

    I have assembled a nice bunch of plates and photos of them. Feel free to criticize incorrect entries. The .zip files contain 110 images.

    ...I also hope the files' size does not interfere with the capacities. I might post similar threads for each other race or type. With much less examples though, just the plates mostly.
    Any chance you could put that file back up if your still around?
    Thanks

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