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    Putting aside all politics, do you still believe what the Bible teaches? Apparently not. In a recent comment, you don't want to leave the church because you want to get married in the Lutheran church. Isn't that hypocritical? You cannot have it both ways.

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    Trump's trade war.

    Who is to blame? Xi or the Americans firms who moved their products to China?
    It is obvious whose fault it is. The only solution is to bring the manufacturing back home and pay a much higher price for the goods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    Putting aside all politics, do you still believe what the Bible teaches? Apparently not. In a recent comment, you don't want to leave the church because you want to get married in the Lutheran church. Isn't that hypocritical? You cannot have it both ways.
    I believe the moral parts. It gives good basics to our life. Nope, I said I have not seen reasons to resign from church (like many have done ... thank's to some morons comments (church)). Bit different thing.

    And LOL... you don't determinate what I can or can not have in my life. Leave that to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    I believe the moral parts. It gives good basics to our life. Nope, I said I have not seen reasons to resign from church (like many have done ... thank's to some morons comments (church)). Bit different thing.

    And LOL... you don't determinate what I can or can not have in my life. Leave that to me.
    No, I'm not insinuating at all telling you what you can do or cannot have in your life.

    I'm trying to understand your rationale.
    I was raised Lutheran too before WW2. After WW2 the church was reorganized because Luther was an anti-Semite. The new denomination got a new name and called the reformed Protestant church. The basic tenants stayed the same.
    You cannot be a Lutheran and a Christian without believing in all the 10 commandments. The first one is the main one which you don't believe in. I have known many atheists and pagans that have high moral values and probably could teach some Christians a few lessons because they believe in the morality of the other nine commandments.
    Being a Christian means following God and the Scriptures. Too bad that this concept is disappearing. Many people tend to design their own beliefs which leads to hundreds of denominations.
    I left the organized church years ago and became nondenominational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    But they don't have oil like Saudis. Israel is just trouble and strife/ ball and chain
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    I'm convinced that President Trump intends to maintain positive diplomatic relations with Israel for the purpose of having a military stepping stone to the rest of the middle east should the actual need arise. But I really don't think this savvy businessman is going to allow Israel to use America to fight any more unnecessary wars for them either.

    President Trump understands human psychology very well. As a successful businessman, he knows how to direct the often childish 'feelings' of the emotional masses the same as he does his employees, and his political staff members.

    There isn't anything random about his MO. President Trump is a man with a plan.
    It's called the Yinon Plan for Greater Israel.

    This plan involves splitting up Syria into several smaller units, most importantly, it intents to give the entire Golan Heights to Israel. Israel had conquered parts of the Golan Heights in an illegal war, Trump "recognised" the ownership of Israel just recently, while Israel stated that it wants all of it. Syria has oil, and below the Golan Heights is a huge oil reservoir.

    But I really don't think this savvy businessman is going to allow Israel to use America to fight any more unnecessary wars for them either
    Wake the fuck up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    It's called the Yinon Plan for Greater Israel.

    This plan involves splitting up Syria into several smaller units, most importantly, it intents to give the entire Golan Heights to Israel. Israel had conquered parts of the Golan Heights in an illegal war, Trump "recognised" the ownership of Israel just recently, while Israel stated that it wants all of it. Syria has oil, and below the Golan Heights is a huge oil reservoir.

    Wake the fuck up!
    Sometimes when we seek the truth, it's best to do it within the camp of our enemies.

    Most Cultural Marxist American Jews vote Democratic, along with transplanted liberal desert dwellers such as Representative Ilhan Omar of Minnesota and Representative Rashida Tlaib of Michigan. If traditional white Americans are going to have any chance at all of "making America great again", they need to eliminate this ilk before they gain dominate political power.

    "Actually it makes perfect sense that American Jews oppose Trump and lean Democratic. It made sense even before Trump took to Twitter and
    "coincidentally" decided to express admiration for Henry Ford, one of America's most notorious anti-Semites and an inspiration to Adolf Hitler. It made sense even before Trump made anti-Semitic remarks before the Republican Jewish Coalition in 2015. (When I called him out on this, neo-Nazi Andrew Anglin attacked me online.)

    Many Republicans strongly support Israel, or at least claim to. For many American Jews, that's practically irrelevant at this point. Conservatives may support Israel for theological reasons or purely strategic ones — because they hate and fear Islam — but that hardly equals a genuine sympathy for a historically marginalized and oppressed group. It's an alliance of convenience, at best.


    Last year I interviewed
    Charlotte Pence, the vice president's daughter. She was promoting a book about her father and happened to mention a trip to Mount of Olives, a mountain ridge in East Jerusalem where some Christians believe Jesus will return to earth. When I asked her whether she thought Jews would go to hell when that happened, she avoided the question. As with so many evangelical Christians, her supposed affection for Jews struck me as anti-Semitic — because it does not actually reflect respect for Jewish people, Jewish culture or the Jewish faith.


    Donald Trump isn't religious, but his attitudes toward Jews are driven by similar impulses. He views us not as distinct individuals worthy of respect in a diverse, pluralistic society, but as a collective who only matter insofar as we affirm or threaten the prevailing power structure. If we support Trump and the current Republican Party, they're willing to give us what they think we want, which is military and financial support for the State of Israel. If we dare to think for ourselves, we'll be reminded of what they think our place truly is in society.


    Trump didn't create this mentality, but he is without question a product of it. As such, he offers a textbook example of why American Jews vote Democratic — and why we will continue to do so into the foreseeable future."

    https://www.salon.com/2019/08/24/don...for-democrats/

    It's certainly not a perfect reality. But the alternative would be a hell of a lot worse.
    “A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot.” Robert A. Heinlein

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    No, I'm not insinuating at all telling you what you can do or cannot have in your life.
    Bravo.

    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    I'm trying to understand your rationale.
    The challenger is that we share very little in common. Age, gender, you are American I'm European etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    I was raised Lutheran too before WW2. After WW2 the church was reorganized because Luther was an anti-Semite. The new denomination got a new name and called the reformed Protestant church. The basic tenants stayed the same.
    The same never happened here but we are not same under Jews power/influence like USA and you Americans.

    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    You cannot be a Lutheran and a Christian without believing in all the 10 commandments.
    Based on what? Officially? For sure I'm ... as that is I what I'll write into my official papers (or what reads there automatically ... marked by Church). You know my background here already. In the eyes of (your) God? Maybe not. Do you think I care?

    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    The first one is the main one which you don't believe in.
    For your info ... I stopped to believe Santa Claus then I was 4 - 5 years old.

    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    I have known many atheists and pagans that have high moral values and probably could teach some Christians a few lessons because they believe in the morality of the other nine commandments.
    Good for you. Now I would like to ask one question ... do you value those people? As high as your Christians?

    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    Being a Christian means following God and the Scriptures.
    See my reply bit higher.

    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    Too bad that this concept is disappearing. Many people tend to design their own beliefs which leads to hundreds of denominations.
    I left the organized church years ago and became nondenominational.
    Oh, you don't belong any church now? Oh, well now mr ... many would call YOU exactly atheist or pagan here. Actually as you would fill up some papers (your personal information) ... would need to mark it like ... no matter how much you will/would believe your God in bottom of your heart and soul.

    Just like to add: Then you belong to Church (at least here) ... it is two sides highway. Meaning: if you are member of Lutheran Church ...then you are member of their local parish/congregation ... and then you can use their services ... like Church services on Sundays (surprise ... I don't), get married in Church, get buried in Church cemetery etc. Two ways? As a member of Church you will also need to pay Church tax/tithe. And now we come to matter why some people have resigned from Church here (especially the peaks at some years). Those people have felt that Church tax is too much/high versus what they'll get back (always after some individual moron comments from Church side). Yup ... those people simply will not want to pay that tax anymore. Resign from Church and you don't need to. Believe me; they have not done it so much because of their real ''believes''. And as I have said 2 times now ... I have not yet felt that way. But of course as I'm student ... I have never earned much annually either. So I have not needed to pay much of Church taxes either. Yet.

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