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    Post Re: Can The Existence of God be Proven?

    What kind of "spiritual preservation" could an organization like this possibly achieve without a divine order to the "spirits" you seek to preserve?

    And this atomistic perspective is pure dehumanizing trash. Why would you even believe in a country if it wasn't destined towards something higher and holy? Social policies? Economic prosperity? The same principles that we despise Jews for dedicating their lives to?

    I can't imagine dedicating my life to something temporal and contingent like a political territory if it wasn't destined to strive for higher goals.
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    All peoples will bear witness that unborn I spoke one word and made the vow that I would flee neither fire nor iron from fear, and so I have done until now. Why should I not fulfill that vow in my old age? Maidens will not taunt my sons during games by saying that they feared their deaths, for each man must at one time die. No one may escape dying that once, and it is my counsel that we not flee, but for our own part act the bravest. I have fought a hundred times, sometimes with a larger army and sometimes with a lesser one. Both ways I have had the victory, and it will not be reported that I either fled or asked for peace.

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    Post Re: Can The Existence of God be Proven?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Paladin
    The fact matter/energy can not be generated out of nothing testifies that God exists.
    Based on that theory, who created God?

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    Post Re: Can The Existence of God be Proven?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Paladin
    Infinite regression can not be applied to a finite Universe.

    Infinity is just an abstract idea that exists only in our minds. In reality nothing in the Universe is infinite because the Universe itself did not always exist but had a beginning.

    According to Science the Universe began at the Big Bang and has been expanding ever since. The mere fact that the Universe has a beginning and is expanding proves that it is not infinite.
    Against what exactly is it expanding? Until we are closer to answering this, we should not smugly presume that the universe is finite.

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    Post Re: Can The Existence of God be Proven?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrant
    What kind of "spiritual preservation" could an organization like this possibly achieve without a divine order to the "spirits" you seek to preserve?

    And this atomistic perspective is pure dehumanizing trash. Why would you even believe in a country if it wasn't destined towards something higher and holy? Social policies? Economic prosperity? The same principles that we despise Jews for dedicating their lives to?

    I can't imagine dedicating my life to something temporal and contingent like a political territory if it wasn't destined to strive for higher goals.
    The higher goal is the evolution of one's folk towards a grander plane of existence. No one here is advocating solipsistic theories of success.

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    Post Re: Can The Existence of God be Proven?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrant
    I can't imagine dedicating my life to something temporal and contingent like a political territory if it wasn't destined to strive for higher goals.
    Such are the vagaries of delusion and ignorance as motivated by fear.

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    Post Re: Can The Existence of God be Proven?

    The Blond Beast:

    Yea, right... Because Odin, Zeus, Marduk, and Ramses taught men to live frightened lives.

    And please don't tell me you automatically associate 'spiritual' with 'Jesus-loving.'

    Stribog:

    That's not a goal; that's a process. We can't just say, "Our main mission is to keep evolving towards a greater plane of existence," without recognizing what that plane consists of, and how to actually achieve it.

    And 'evolution' will require a more concise definition for me to fully understand you.
    Last edited by Tyrant; Friday, October 1st, 2004 at 11:21 PM.
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    All peoples will bear witness that unborn I spoke one word and made the vow that I would flee neither fire nor iron from fear, and so I have done until now. Why should I not fulfill that vow in my old age? Maidens will not taunt my sons during games by saying that they feared their deaths, for each man must at one time die. No one may escape dying that once, and it is my counsel that we not flee, but for our own part act the bravest. I have fought a hundred times, sometimes with a larger army and sometimes with a lesser one. Both ways I have had the victory, and it will not be reported that I either fled or asked for peace.

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    Post Re: Can The Existence of God be Proven?

    No it cannot.

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    Post Re: Can The Existence of God be Proven?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrant
    Yea, right... Because Odin, Zeus, Marduk, and Ramses taught men to live frightened lives.

    And please don't tell me you automatically associate 'spiritual' with 'Jesus-loving.'
    It's profound ignorance and a glistening fear of the unknown that drives men to the spiritual (think of something that you can't understand, and if you're simple enough, you'll always find your answer in the panacea of "God(s)").

    It's simple: anything "spiritual" is a coping mechanism. You find life not to your satisfaction -- all life is finite and ultimately succumbs -- so you invent something vague and intangible (merely a concept which incapable of being disproven and therefore is not amenable to reason) that serves as an idyllic goal or purpose which will vindicate your earthly suffering. Naturally, this makes your life -- abounding in negativity (death and hardship...) -- only a precursor to what you want to believe is something more ideal and timeless, but which could never be obtained on earth.

    Once one accepts the fact that humans are just evolved primates with advanced conceptual abilities, all of this "spirituality" becomes simply risible. Humans once had an ecological niche to fill, but having used our intelligence to take us out of nature's cycle, we have made ourselves feel devoid of a purpose and have thus had to invent one.

    A reasonable man accepts the fact that he is a primitive beast with a conceptual mind; a spiritual man is really just a primitive beast -- who refuses to admit that he's a primitive beast -- with a conceptual mind and way too much time on his hands...

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    Post Re: Can The Existence of God be Proven?

    Quote Originally Posted by green nationalist
    it wont be proven because he does not exist
    God exists! you just have not found him, you better start looking harder before your time runs out.

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    Post Re: Can The Existence of God be Proven?

    The existence of any arbitrarily defined god cannot be proved. It is also not possible to disprove the existence of any arbitrarily defined god. However, it is possible to disprove the existence of certain particularly defined gods, e. g. the Christian or the Jewish god. The latter definitely do not exist.
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