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    Trump, the Nuclear Posture Review and the INF Treaty

    The following is in my opinion an exceptionally interesting and deeply troubling article concerning the ability of Donald Trump to authorise the launching of a nuclear missile strike in a non-nuclear and indeed even in a non-military conflict. This issue does not merely concern the USA but the entire planet:


    https://theintercept.com/2018/02/08/...p-nuclear-war/


    "First, while Barack Obama’s 2010 NPR for the first time ruled out a nuclear attack against non-nuclear weapon states that are in compliance with the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty, Trump’s NPR goes in the opposite direction and suggests that the U.S. could employ nuclear weapons in “extreme circumstances” to defend the “vital interests” of the United States and its allies. The document states:
    Extreme circumstances could include significant non-nuclear strategic attacks. Significant non-nuclear strategic attacks include, but are not limited to, attacks on the U.S., allied, or partner civilian population or infrastructure, and attacks on U.S. or allied nuclear forces, their command and control, or warning and attack assessment capabilities."



    We also now have the threats made by Trump to pull the USA out of the 1987 Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces Treaty. This should be particularly worrying for anyone living in western Europe for Trump risks consigning our sacred lands to an uninhabitable wasteland. Neither the USA nor the Russian Federation would be at risk but those of us who live in between these super powers should be very, very concerned. So it will no longer be just Trump's face that will be orange if he is not stopped!

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45930206

    "The US will withdraw from a landmark nuclear weapons treaty with Russia, President Donald Trump has confirmed.Speaking to reporters, Mr Trump said Russia had "violated" the 1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) treaty.The deal banned ground-launched medium-range missiles, with a range of between 500 and 5,500km (310-3,400 miles).The US would not let Russia "go out and do weapons [while] we're not allowed to", Mr Trump said. "I don't know why President [Barack] Obama didn't negotiate or pull out," the president said after a campaign rally in Nevada. "They've been violating it for many years." "


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    I am not troubled at all .

    Mr Trump will never risk his family's wealth because of struggle with whom ,
    and for some contract , whose time had run out .

    It is to authorize tax money for new medium-range missiles , I guess .

    The Presidents , who will succeed Mr Trump , will probably feel forced
    to make use of the rockets established under Trump .


    Ground launched could be short circuited by Air launched, Sea launched , Subsea launched ,
    Underground launched and Space launched missiles ;
    and my guess is , that the super powers of today are doing such short cuts already .

    Ground launched missiles could be an easy sales enhancement , since the buyer does
    not need to invest much into infrastructure , as for Underground , Space and Subsea .

    If the USA is confident with their Patriot rockets and Israel confident with it's Iron Dome ,
    then the USA could enhance their ground launched missile arsenal and sell to friendly Arab Oil Nations .
    Mk 10:18 What do you call me a good master, no-one is good .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe Jens Lornsen View Post
    I am not troubled at all .

    Mr Trump will never risk his family's wealth because of struggle with whom ,
    and for some contract , whose time had run out .

    It is to authorize tax money for new medium-range missiles , I guess .

    The Presidents , who will succeed Mr Trump , will probably feel forced
    to make use of the rockets established under Trump .


    Ground launched could be short circuited by Air launched, Sea launched , Subsea launched ,
    Underground launched and Space launched missiles ;
    and my guess is , that the super powers of today are doing such short cuts already .

    Ground launched missiles could be an easy sales enhancement , since the buyer does
    not need to invest much into infrastructure , as for Underground , Space and Subsea .

    If the USA is confident with their Patriot rockets and Israel confident with it's Iron Dome ,
    then the USA could enhance their ground launched missile arsenal and sell to friendly Arab Oil Nations .
    Uwe you need to understand that those intermediate range missiles will not be based in the USA. They will be based in western Europe under the guise of 'NATO' which is really an extension of the American empire. The USA will not be at risk but you will be if you actually live in Germany. Putin has threatened to target any US missile sites located in Europe if Drumpf breaks that deal. See the following: https://montrealgazette.com/news/wor...4-a2850bb72488

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Uwe you need to understand that those intermediate range missiles will not be based in the USA. They will be based in western Europe under the guise of 'NATO' which is really an extension of the American empire. The USA will not be at risk but you will be if you actually live in Germany. Putin has threatened to target any US missile sites located in Europe if Drumpf breaks that deal. See the following: https://montrealgazette.com/news/wor...4-a2850bb72488
    Putin will do nothing , except for real self defense .

    Putin has dauthers , I think , and one had studied in the Netherlands , if I remember correctly .

    The Cold War from 1945 to 1989 turned out to be a huge poker bluff ,
    and this time , it will be the same .

    Russia has only a population of 140+ million people , and is much too small to actively
    controll any occupied areas , except Scandinavia and the Baltics .

    Poland would be much too large already , and it seems that the Ukraine is considered
    much too large , to be worth invading and controlling it .

    I personally have no real feelings about US-American presence in Germany and Europe
    , and am neutral on this matter .
    Mk 10:18 What do you call me a good master, no-one is good .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe Jens Lornsen View Post
    Putin will do nothing , except for real self defense .

    Putin has dauthers , I think , and one had studied in the Netherlands , if I remember correctly .

    The Cold War from 1945 to 1989 turned out to be a huge poker bluff ,
    and this time , it will be the same .

    Russia has only a population of 140+ million people , and is much too small to actively
    controll any occupied areas , except Scandinavia and the Baltics .

    Poland would be much too large already , and it seems that the Ukraine is considered
    much too large , to be worth invading and controlling it .

    I personally have no real feelings about US-American presence in Germany and Europe
    , and am neutral on this matter .
    Well, keep burying your head in the sand Uwe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Well, keep burying your head in the sand Uwe.
    And Krieger , keep on playing the Mainstream-Media card , with hyped up head lines .

    What would you expect to happen ?

    Pessah-marches at Easter as the Friedensbewegung ?Peace Movement? did in the 1980s ?


    I notice , that emotions are important for physical health , but I do not get energy in this case .
    Mk 10:18 What do you call me a good master, no-one is good .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe Jens Lornsen View Post
    And Krieger , keep on playing the Mainstream-Media card , with hyped up head lines .

    What would you expect to happen ?

    Pessah-marches at Easter as the Friedensbewegung ?Peace Movement? did in the 1980s ?


    I notice , that emotions are important for physical health , but I do not get energy in this case .
    With a world full of nuclear weapons, do you honestly think that they will never be used again? The USA has already done so once in 1945 and this crime went unpunished. Now there is an unstable old man with an itchy trigger finger in the White House.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    With a world full of nuclear weapons, do you honestly think that they will never be used again? The USA has already done so once in 1945 and this crime went unpunished. Now there is an unstable old man with an itchy trigger finger in the White House.
    Trump is not unstable !

    Trump knows , what he is doing .

    The Mainstream-Media pictures him as an unstable person .


    Ghaddafi and Saddam Hussein , were these depicted as "unstable persons" ?
    Of course , these both Arabs had children and so on , but they are Arabs .
    Mk 10:18 What do you call me a good master, no-one is good .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe Jens Lornsen View Post
    Trump is not unstable !

    Trump knows , what he is doing .

    The Mainstream-Media pictures him as an unstable person .


    Ghaddafi and Saddam Hussein , were these depicted as "unstable persons" ?
    Of course , these both Arabs had children and so on , but they are Arabs .
    Not only is he unstable but he has disgraced his country by pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord and the Iran Nuclear Deal Framework. A man that lies every day of the week is not to be trusted. He will bring about the final conflict that his Zionist puppet masters demand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Not only is he unstable but he has disgraced his country by pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord and the Iran Nuclear Deal Framework. A man that lies every day of the week is not to be trusted. He will bring about the final conflict that his Zionist puppet masters demand.
    Zion Israel is one of "The Main Interest" of the Christian Western Societies and their Governments .

    Trump just makes it on a honest level , not snakeing around like everytime in the past .

    Of course , if he would not have his daughter being married to Jews , than he would have
    snaked around as always in the past .

    Israel and the US-American Jews are located far away from me , and of no interest or priority
    for me .


    These Climate Preserving contracts will fail , since the Muslims comming to Europe want
    a higher living standard and drive cars ; and everyone can see it in the European towns and cities .

    These Climate Protocolls will fail , and everybody knows that !


    The main recent fail of Trump seems to be the demand for cheap oil ,
    since that would also affect the US-American oil producers ,
    but also here , I suspect , that he has some sort of professional advise on that matter .

    General Motors and Ford are said to reduce employed workforce in the thousands , recently ,
    and I suspect , that Trump had been informed before Bloomberg and Reuters .
    Mk 10:18 What do you call me a good master, no-one is good .

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