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Thread: Paris Is Burning: The Yellow Vest Protests In France

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    @Chlodovech...............
    As you probably know from my previous rants, before I left France, I was employed by the Gendarmerie Nationale, created by Napoleon to protect and secure the Government and all its institutions.
    Watching the pictures of these riots I only see very few gendarmes. Where is the Gendarmerie Mobile dressed in military uniforms?
    Seems to me all the cops I see are the CRS, Companies Republicaines de Security. I'm just amazed how large these riots are.
    Do you have any more details?

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    I wonder how much fuel costs in France and how high the taxes (all/total) are .... needs the ''small potatoes'' vs. what we'll pay here.

    But France farmers are famous of stopping roads etc. (temperament) ... here if someone would stop main road (making others life difficult) ... he would ''feel'' it pretty quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    French cops have said that they sympathize with the demonstrators, here they are showing solidarity with them, by taking off their helmets. That must be a very troubling fact to the powers that be.
    If the police are sympathizing with the protestors then that implies this may escalate into a full blown civil war or coup d'état. I'm not predicting that but it is within the realm of possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Yaxley View Post
    If the police are sympathizing with the protestors then that implies this may escalate into a full blown civil war or coup d'état. I'm not predicting that but it is within the realm of possibility.
    Nah ... politicians will change (= take back) their decisions little bit ... to calm down people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    I'm just amazed how large these riots are. Do you have any more details?
    Flemish journalists who are there in Paris say they've never seen the city like this before, it's obvious to me that these are the biggest riots since May '68 and De Gaulle had to mobilize his own supporters to avert a revolution. The spirit of insurrection is present. The government considers declaring a state of national emergency. You may want to have a look at this article. I've been looking for a map which shows all the areas which saw demonstrations and/or riots, but no luck so far.

    Yet like I said in my other post, the riots started too soon, when the protests were still growing in size, the violence seems to have stiffled their growth. And I wonder if the authorities themselves aren't partially involved in the riots to derail the demonstrations. Finnish Swede makes a good point too when she says that the government will make some concessions - yet the gilets jaunes are going to continue their activities despite Macron's backpedalling. The rest of Macron's presidency will be very turbulent and what we're seeing now could only be the start of far larger social and political upheavel and unrest. France as a country experiences a crisis far deeper than Italy, the UK or Germany.

    There's no way Macron will ever be re-elected again, that much is certain, and Marine Le Pen is now more popular than Macron.

    As an aside:

    “As brothers and sisters we knew instinctively that if we were going to stand in darkness, best we stand in a darkness we had made ourselves.” - Douglas Coupland

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    Taxes are just an excuse. From what I've heard this is a full blown rebellion against jewish rule.
    For instance they burned down a modern art gallery. The whole thing looks well organized too.
    Apparently someone has been planning this for some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    Most Americans in this thread seem to blame socialism for the demonstrations and riots, but the French people and Walloons are demonstrating against the loss of their jobs + taxes on energy and fuel while at the same time busses and trains are abolished in rural areas (hence they can't go looking for new jobs) - and the dismantling of the welfare state, which is, admittedly, completely dysfunctional in France and Wallonia and does promote laziness and economic stagnation.
    Most American news outlets are saying it is over taxes, but then again most of the media here is very busy try to make Trump look bad by comparing him to Bush 41.
    Life is like a fire hydrant- sometimes you help people put out their fires, but most of the time you just get peed on by every dog in the neighborhood.

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    I think we cannot fully assess the current situation in France and its effects on Europe at the moment. When you are in the middle of a political change you cannot judge the situation because you have no overview. Also the French revolution in 1789 did not lead to the execution of the king immediately, it took some time to develop the situation.

    It is often a matter of time until the state gets collapsed. The Ethiopean revolution in 1974 e.g. was not a communist one from the beginning. It was a moderate one first which left the emperor on his throne and croped only his rights. It lasted a full year until the Derg removed him from power. It happened when the revolution radicalized itself more and more by executing its former leaders, which seemed to the radical ones to be too moderate then.

    In the case of France we only can wait and see and hope that the uprisings are not a flash in the pan and will change effectively the political situation in the rest of Europe.

    And if not, the next uprising somewhere else will happen and will spray its sparks on its neighbours in order to catch fire. The anger of the people ist so strong and becomes stronger and stronger from day to day that a general uprising is only a matter of time.

    Our generation will experience it !

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Yaxley View Post
    If the police are sympathizing with the protestors then that implies this may escalate into a full blown civil war or coup d'état. I'm not predicting that but it is within the realm of possibility.
    I've edited and expanded my post about the stance of the police on the first page of this thread, Russia Today did a piece on it, check it out. Nonetheless, there's no shortage of footage of French cops brutally beating defenseless civilians - including a disabled person in a wheelchair whom they surrounded first - such is life in a dictature of high finance. I also agree with Argos - when there would be a revolution, it would most likely come as a surprise - that's how it usually is for the majority of people. See the fall of communism in 1989 or the Arab Spring - the latter was of course probably mostly the work of Western intelligence services, NGOs and Mossad and not meant to take off everywhere.

    Perhaps also interesting:



    Timothé Vorgenss explains there are not that many progressives in the crowd - "the friends of diversity aren't there", it's the native French working class which is revolting. That's why one of Macron's arrogant ministers' called them "the brown plague".
    “As brothers and sisters we knew instinctively that if we were going to stand in darkness, best we stand in a darkness we had made ourselves.” - Douglas Coupland

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    Timothé Vorgenss explains there are not that many progressives in the crowd - "the friends of diversity aren't there", it's the native French working class which is revolting. That's why one of Macron's arrogant ministers' called them "the brown plague".
    While I hope you're right, leader-less revolts usually don't turn out to our benefit.
    Specially the French Revolution (and the following ones 1848/50) shared one common feature across Europe, and that was granting Jews all legal rights of a citizen.

    At some point it needs to get direction and form, otherwise it will be hijacked again and turned against the native working classes of Europe.

    I agree that it has to start somewhere, and maybe that's it, people are sick and tired of the nonsense our politraitors & EU are doing, and since it's spreading anyway through Europe, it should be us who hijack it
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