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    Quote Originally Posted by LillyCaterina View Post
    But isn't that the inevitable price a nation pays when it loses a war?

    Gareth told me about two German soldiers in a video he watched who said after the war ended, "We failed to protect our women." So the victors are mating with their women.

    Isn't this part of the ugly price a nation pays for losing a war?
    It can happen on both sides. No one is a winner when the women are attacked by either side. And although forbidden, it did happen. It would be inevitable by degenerate soldiers, those who can't control their emotions, and those who are lured into a gang or mob mentality who flaunt the orders of their superiors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LillyCaterina View Post
    What about all the crimes against humanity that are committed during war? The rapes. The torture. The murder. The brutality that occurs because of the chaos that ensues during hostilities between nations.
    Yes indeed, why weren't the Americans and Russians tried for these atrocities? Why only the Germans? Why is it that the biggest war crime in history, the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki went unpunished?

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    The allies hanged Germans, the Japanese were innocent.
    Any thoughts on this?
    I am not sure what you are getting as there were trials for so-called Japanese war crimes as well.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...r_the_Far_East

    The real issue is why were none of the AlLies prosecuted for war crimes, the British and American carpet bombing of Germany and the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki-the worst war crimes in history?

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    The allies hanged Germans, the Japanese were innocent.
    Any thoughts on this?
    There are a lot of powerful, rich Jews in the US. They wanted blood. FDR's treasury secretary, Henry Morgenthau, came up with a special plan to exterminate the Germans that was implemented but then abandoned.

    Among the Wasp elite there are many who are admirers of Oriental culture & Orientals. Eleanor Roosevelt was one of them. So Japan got off relatively easy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Astragoth View Post
    The Nuremberg show trial were an atrocity and one the allies are still paying for.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Yes indeed, why weren't the Americans and Russians tried for these atrocities? Why only the Germans? Why is it that the biggest war crime in history, the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki went unpunished?
    It was total war with unconditional surrenders. The victors get to say what is a war crime & what isn't. The Nuremburg Trials were not based on any rule-of-law but on unrestrained military power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LillyCaterina View Post
    What about all the crimes against humanity that are committed during war? The rapes. The torture. The murder. The brutality that occurs because of the chaos that ensues during hostilities between nations.
    Collective indictments, punishments, and reparations are momentary ceasefires at best and even furnish the conditions for another war. It's a never ending cycle of hatred. Universal brotherhood can never be based on it. If a nation or people collectively commit crimes, then it must simply be exiled from the human community at large. Hence the innumerable expulsions of Jews in Europe's history and those 40 years left to themselves just surviving in the wilderness (if that was historical).

    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    Among the Wasp elite there are many who are admirers of Oriental culture & Orientals. Eleanor Roosevelt was one of them. So Japan got off relatively easy.
    US actually had and has an Irish elite.

    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    It was total war with unconditional surrenders.
    So the Allies deliberately prolonged the war, resulting in more deaths. Both Germany and Japanese were willing to surrender if they could manage their own affairs. Unconditional surrender is stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post





    It was total war with unconditional surrenders. The victors get to say what is a war crime & what isn't. The Nuremburg Trials were not based on any rule-of-law but on unrestrained military power.
    Agreed but I wanted to hear Lilly's argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Rentz View Post
    War is hell, there should not have been any trials in Germany. When someone wins or loses, it's over, get on with running the country in the aftermath. What happens in war-time should not have peace-time standards applied to the actions taken during the time a country is at war.
    That was done, at least with the Germans being accused. A lot of the accusations launched in Nuremberg are in doubt though. And there is also other reasons the Nuremberg IMT is considered a show trial.

    But in fact the statements made by accused or witnesses together with other evidence demonstrates that the accusers didn't really have a case. That people think that the "Nuremberg Trials" did "prove" the "Holocaust" and that the Germans were to blame for world war two, demonstrates strikingly that most people actually don't even bother with reading the text they think reports their beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Agreed but I wanted to hear Lilly's argument.
    I think we're on the same page about this, Wuotans.

    Just because I'm an American citizen doesn't mean I condone the clearly inhumane actions my government commits during times of war.

    I do think that a neutral nation, such as Switzerland should be appointed to conduct impartial investigations into allegations of gross misconduct during wars from heads of state down to those directly involved in these horrible conflicts.

    Murdering masses of civilians by either side is totally unacceptable. Battles should be fought in uninhabited areas to determine who the big bad winner take all is. And then, treat the losing sides families with respect.
    Not all in life is at it appears to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theunissen View Post
    But in fact the statements made by accused or witnesses together with other evidence demonstrates that the accusers didn't really have a case. That people think that the "Nuremberg Trials" did "prove" the "Holocaust" and that the Germans were to blame for world war two, demonstrates strikingly that most people actually don't even bother with reading the text they think reports their beliefs.
    Rightly said, the inquisitors presiding over the trials were only interested in extracting confessions out of the Germans and only concerned about their attitude towards Jews. Germans being interviewed kept mentioning how they had already said this or that in response to the prosecutors, but they were often swatted aside.

    On the plausibility of Hitler giving out orders for liquidations of Jews (and not merely partisans), I only have this to say. As the war dragged on and more German soldiers perished, Hitler increasingly cared less for what happened to the Jews. The "Holocaust" couldn't have begun in 1941-1942, the Germans were winning up until the summer of 1942. Around Spring of 1942, Goebbels' diaries and Hitler's table talks still emphasize relocation to Madagascar or Siberia, all references to elimination, extermination, etc. must be read in their proper context. Incidentally, most of those quotes Holocaust apologists employ from the aforementioned sources are from the Spring of 1942.

    I would wager that if there had been a systematic extermination, it would have been in either 1944 or 1945. Although that is unlikely considering how much effort, resources, and manpower they put into winning the war. Jordan Peterson reveals himself to be a Zionist subversive when he argues that the Germans cared more about killing Jews than winning the war. How absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LillyCaterina View Post
    I think we're on the same page about this, Wuotans.

    Just because I'm an American citizen doesn't mean I condone the clearly inhumane actions my government commits during times of war.

    I do think that a neutral nation, such as Switzerland should be appointed to conduct impartial investigations into allegations of gross misconduct during wars from heads of state down to those directly involved in these horrible conflicts.

    Murdering masses of civilians by either side is totally unacceptable. Battles should be fought in uninhabited areas to determine who the big bad winner take all is. And then, treat the losing sides families with respect.
    I agree and would go further than this and argue that the leaders of the opposing sides should enter a boxing ring to decide the outcome. I would love to see Drumpf face Putin. However that would be exceedingly unlikely as he would lodge several deferment applications; perhaps finding an ingrowing toenail. How is it that some of the biggest loudmouths and warmongers have never actually fought in a war?
    An alternative and less violent way of settling things would be by playing chess. Drumpf could use his 'exceptionally large brain' and 'genius' to good effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icarus View Post
    Jordan Peterson reveals himself to be a Zionist subversive when he argues that the Germans cared more about killing Jews than winning the war. How absurd.
    No, the National Socialists actually had put very little effort in killing Jews .
    It is said, that only two thousand members of the Sicherheitsdienst SD were doing the killings
    in the Sovjet Union in 1941 .

    It is therefore a minor failure , to send these comparatively few SD members not towards the front in Russia .

    Even the logistics by train transportation of approximately 2-3 million Jews in Poland seems
    not to have reduced the transportation capacity of replacements into the battle scenes in the East .

    It is said , that in year 1944 Germany has had the highest amount or warfare manufacuring ,
    and if it had in year 1942 that amount of production , then probably the National Socialists would
    have spend more train capacity into Belaruß, Russia and Ukraine , than have spent on the Jews .
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