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    Why is Scotland Here?

    I am confused. Could someone explain to me why Scotland has been included as part of 'Germanic Europe & Outlying Islands?' I fail to see on what grounds this 'Celtic' country qualifies!

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    I'm not an admin so I don't know the exact reasoning behind it. I do know that some people consider lowland Scots to be Germanic and highland Scots to be true Celts. All of the Scots that I've met offline have clearly seen themselves as Celtic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Yaxley View Post
    I'm not an admin so I don't know the exact reasoning behind it. I do know that some people consider lowland Scots to be Germanic and highland Scots to be true Celts. All of the Scots that I've met offline have clearly seen themselves as Celtic.
    Yes practically ALL Scots would describe themselves as 'Celtic.' Those who are descended from the Lowland Scots are likely of course to be of Anglo-Saxon descent (though probably would not admit it) and in the Shetlands, Orkneys and Hebrides there is a strong Norse admixture.

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    Vikings in Scotland

    Though the Vikings established supremacy in the western islands, and ended the Scottish kingdom of Dal Riata, the emergence of a more unified Alba changed their designs. Conquering the land no longer seemed possible, and so as they had in Ireland, the Norse began to become more enmeshed in the ethnic, cultural, and political landscape. For example, the most successful Scottish ruler of the Dark Ages, Constantine mac Áed (Constantine II) crushed a Viking offensive led by Dublin’s Ivar the Younger in 902, only to surround himself with Viking allies against King Aethelstan of England some decades later. Common cause and joint interest became more important than ethnicity, and Norse, Scotts, Picts, and Britons intermarried in Scotland on all levels of society. Eventually, it was not only the Picts and the Scotts that were Scottish, but the Vikings, too.




    Once more, the islands were different, and remained a bastion of Viking activity and Norse customs long after the Viking Age ended. It was to islands like Orkney, the Shetlands, and the Isle of Mann that the Irish king Máel Mórda drew many of his allies against Brian Boru in the Battle of Clontarf (1014), and it was back to these islands that the Viking survivors returned. The Hebrides were officially territories of Norway, not Scotland, until the 13th century, as was Orkney and Shetland until the 15th.
    Today these places are still as rich in Norse culture as they are in Norse blood. DNA studies show that the Shetland Islands are 44% Norse, and Orkney is 30%, and offer firm evidence that these areas of Scotland were settled by Scandinavian families, and not just male adventurers. Other islands, like the Hebrides, are around 15-20% which is still very high considering that we are talking about a migration that occurred a thousand years ago.


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    I've been a fan of the following theory(ies) for years. I don't think that Latin (the language of monkish pederasts and perverts for All of Time) has a unique claim to the term "Scot":

    from Wikipedia...

    The etymology of Late Latin "Scoti" is unclear. It is not a Latin derivation, nor does it correspond to any known Goidelic (Gaelic) term the Gaels used to name themselves as a whole or a constituent population-group. The implication is that this Late Latin word rendered a Primitive Irish term for a social grouping, occupation or activity, and only later became an ethnonym.

    Several derivations have been conjectured but none has gained general acceptance in mainstream scholarship. In the 19th century Aonghas MacCoinnich proposed that Scoti came from Gaelic "Sgaothaich", meaning "crowd" or "horde".

    Charles Oman derived it from Gaelic Scuit, meaning someone cut-off. He believed it referred to bands of outcast Gaelic raiders, suggesting that the Scots were to the Gaels what the Vikings were to the Norse.

    More recently, Philip Freeman has speculated on the likelihood of a group of raiders adopting a name from an Indo-European root, *skot, citing the parallel in Greek skotos (σκότος), meaning "darkness, gloom".

    An origin has also been suggested in a word related to the English scot (as in tax) and Old Norse skot; this referred to an activity in ceremonies whereby ownership of land was transferred by placing a parcel of earth in the lap of a new owner, whence 11th century King Olaf, one of Sweden's first known rulers, may have been known as a scot king.

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