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    Russia Seizes Ukrainian Naval Ships - Blocks Kerch Strait

    Russia seized three Ukrainian naval ships off the coast of Russia-annexed Crimea after opening fire on them and wounding several sailors, a move that risks igniting a dangerous new crisis between the two countries.Russia's FSB security service said early on Monday its border patrol boats captured the Ukrainian naval vessels in the Black Sea and used weapons to force them to stop, Russian news agencies reported.The FSB said it had been forced to act because the ships - two small Ukrainian armoured artillery vessels and a tug boat - illegally entered its territorial waters, attempted illegal actions, and ignored warnings to stop while manoeuvring dangerously.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/11/ukraine-russia-naval-standoff-crimea-bridge-181125160258144.html


    To summarize what we know:

    1. Russia has seized two Ukrainian naval vessels and a tugboat.

    2. The Russians are claiming they were forced to do this to protect 'their territorial waters' (note: the Sea of Azov was previously used by both nations and tensions had previously been mainly restricted to land skirmishes in Donetsk & Luhansk).

    3. They have used this as an excuse to use a tanker to block the Kerch Strait, thereby cutting off trade to Ukraine's port cities in the Sea of Azov:

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    A major portion of Ukraine's exports travel along a path through the port cities of Mariupol and Berdyans'k -> Kerch Strait -> Black Sea. By seizing the Kerch Strait, Russia has de facto annexed the Sea of Azov and inflicted a severe blow to Ukraine's economy.

    4. Crowds of Ukrainians have begun throwing smoke bombs at the Russian consulate in Kiev. This is part of the reason why Ukrainian President Poroshenko has called for the parliament to declare martial law:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...source=twitter

    5. The Russian narrative of 'we were forced to seize these small naval ships to protect our waters' is mind bogglingly shallow and asinine because if it were true then the Russians wouldn't have escalated things by simultaneously seizing control of the Kerch Straight (thereby taking control of the Sea of Azov). They are the ones escalating this particular fight. It's also important to note that Moscow had begun a de facto blockade of the port city of Mariupol over 2 months ago:



    Taken together, this implies that Russia is following the path predicted by Peter Zeihan several years ago - they are attempting to expand their influence over Ukraine in a piecemeal fashion. Ukraine is at the center of their plans due to its resources and strategic location.

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    Great how the "Russian side" of the story is always missing in MSM.

    The tensions around the Sea of Azov erupted this year after Ukraine detained a Russian vessel, prompting Moscow to boost controls in the area. The tensions further escalated in October when the Ukrainian parliament passed a draft law authorizing Kiev to expand maritime controls by 12 nautical miles off its southern coast, purportedly in an effort to counter smuggling in the Black Sea.
    Isnt this territorital aggression when they just grab 12 more miles?

    All quotes from here

    And NATO (Ukraine is not a member of NATO) right in the middle

    "NATO is closely monitoring developments in the Azov Sea and the Kerch Strait, and we are in contact with the Ukrainian authorities. We call for restraint and de-escalation," according to the statement.

    NATO fully supports the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine, including navigation rights in its territorial waters, it added.
    "Britain guarantees the 'sovereignity and territorial integrity' of Poland" - reloaded.



    Meanwhile, the Ukrainian army opened massive artillery fire on Sunday, shelling residential areas of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR).

    Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova criticized Kiev’s provocations as "gangster methods."
    So, of course, the ship issue did not come out of nowhere.

    The introduction of martial law does not mean in any way that Ukraine will conduct any offensive actions.
    Lots of statements from Poroshenko what martial law allegedly does not mean, and when reading the third of it I just had to think of Mielke saying, in 1961, that "no one intents to build a wall". Only months later a wall seperated east and west Berlin for the next 28 years.

    They are already shelling the Donbass, "no change" means they're going to continue shelling the area. They already increased the aggression and no change means maintaining this new level of aggression.

    In regards to Syria media was always quick to scream "Assad is bombing his own people", never mind that Al Nusra/IS and all the Al Shams are not Syrians for the most part, but not a single western media reports of indiscriminate shelling of residential areas in the contested regions, no western media reports on public statements to genocide the Russian majority(!) population in eastern Ukraine, no western media reports about the civil war the WEST started there by putching that criminal Poroshenko into power, no western media would ever touch upon the issue of the snipers although there are recordings between EU officials and a Lithuanian politician (who also leaked the call) telling quite openly that they are putching Ukraine into the "western sphere of influence", literally going over corpses of Ukrainians.

    The west is hellbent on generating a war between Europe and Russia, and Ukraine got the main role in this.

    There's a plot at work, one that imho comes with the advise not to side with any side in this. Ukraine is not merely a "victim" of Russian aggression, they themselves do a lot of aggression (probably on command from Joe Biden, but anyway), including shooting down a passenger plane and blaming it on the "seperatists".

    Now that Syria is almost over, immediately Ukraine pops up as the new smouldering fire, after months of relatively few incidences. This is going to be dirty.
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    I think, that the META-goal of this or these incidents are

    1.) Wheat price

    2.) Crude Oil price



    The Wheat price is probably obvious , but "forcing" the White Protestant West to increase sanctions
    could stabilize the current oilprice , which has declined by around 25% the previous few weeks .

    Additional sanctions on Russia and increasing uncertainities would likely stop the decline of the oil price ,
    forcing Russia into a similar position like Canada to be able to sell to only one customer ( Russia to China, Canada to USA ) ,
    decreasing the barrels per day for the Russians , increasing the overall oil price , but decreasing the oil price for Russia .

    And for Russia it will lead to further impowerishment of the population , increasing the flight to Europe ;
    as all these Muslim countries successfully do .

    I had read , that Rotenberg had been constructing pipelines only before errecting this Crimea Bridge ,
    probably no loyal Russian person would have build pipelines to sell off Russian raw materials to
    unfriendly nations , or even would have constructed this Crimean Bridge .

    Rotenberg , as a Jew , might be under special protection , and Jews are likely allowed more than others .
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    Some more interesting details to the "incident".

    Since 2003 there is an agreement between Russia and Ukraine on how to cross through the Azov Sea. Ukraine calls Russia, says this or that ship or ships is going to go through, the ships go through, much like any transit transport going over land routes through foreign territory. Never ever was there a problem for Ukraine to get its produce out.

    The indicent ships, however, were not transport ships, they were military ships with weapons ready to fire, refusing to stop, with one of the ships doing zick-zacks desperately trying to get hit by Russian patrol ships.

    The Ukrainian ships were heading towards the bridge that connects Russian mainland with Crimea. Ukraine, Joe Biden and other US officials had called that bridge a "legitimate" military target. So when military ships with active weapons head for the bridge, Russia can either watch their bridge being attacked or take out the Ukrainian aggressor ships, which they did. The "West" of course whines about "Russian aggression".

    Another cute little detail is the martial law, which is said to be temporary only (France said this too after the terror attacks, but years later it's still active), allegedly to be lifted early next year and, after the western stringpullers concerned about "image" had advised Poroshenko, limited to the border regions of Ukraine for now. The parliament decision however allows martial law for all of Ukraine.

    Fun fact: there will be general elections in spring in Ukraine. The West of course wants their puppet Poroshenko to continue as Ukrainian president, but his rating among Ukrainians is at ~8%, so he really doesnt stand a chance of just going through the first round, let alone winning another presidency. With martial law in place, and the parliament doing the will of the West, too, they can simply postpone elections and can continue their policy goals of generating open conflict with Russia.

    Another fun fact re the oil/gas business of Ukraine. Joe Biden's son just became CEO of the biggest producer in Ukraine...oops. Pure coincidence of course.
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    If Russians debates with someones who shares the same culture background ... I don't trust anything what neither of sizes are saying (as such). Both shares the same culture of liars!

    I think the only way to try to value this someway ... is to think which country would benefit this conflict, and why it is happened now (= the motivations).

    Russia has nothing to loose/worry (as NATO & EU are lacking the balls) ... no matter how far this might go/lead. That's all. Nothing else/more to say.

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    If the Somalians had done what the Russians did, they'd be called pirates.
    Not all in life is at it appears to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LillyCaterina View Post
    If the Somalians had done what the Russians did, they'd be called pirates.
    Doesn't matter what they are called ... as long as world ''knows'' what they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LillyCaterina View Post
    If the Somalians had done what the Russians did, they'd be called pirates.
    What exactly have the Russians done apart from defending their territorial waters from Ukrainian aggression?

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    First thing I thought when I saw this was Königsberg and Poland, It certainly is looking ominous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    What exactly have the Russians done apart from defending their territorial waters from Ukrainian aggression?
    I doubt the new bridge across that strait alone can stand the international laws? Not to talking about many many other issues.

    So more correct would have been: ... from defending their territorial INTERESTS from Ukrainians.

    As that is what we see there right now.

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