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    Thoughts on the EU Army Pursued by Merkel and Macron

    In light of Merkel’s current position as “outgoing” chancellor of Germany do you think the average German will support her and Macron’s Army?

    I find it hard to believe that Commissar Merkel and Baron Immanuel M de Rothchild whom have done everything in their power to destroy Europe as we know it have Europe’s best interest at hart with their planned EU Army.

    Who do you believe will follow up Merkel? With other faces in the CSU like say Karl Theodor zu Guttenberg as rumour would purport, will the governing alliance hold and have the support from regular Germans who are protesting against migration? Will the AFD support such a notion? In light of Trump’s comments on NATO spending, the "terror" from the East Putin and not to mention the home-grown threat of Islam will this cause a further coalescence of Europe under the EU or will balkanization be the end result?

    As Europe is drawing from its history to find its way from this quagmire what do you think will be the role of the Catholic church in this new re traditionalizing Europe? Will it be the Europe of Hermann the German or the Europe of Caesar? to Quote Macron he will “rule France like a Roman god”.

    I would like to see a strong independent Germany with her own Armed forces but this whole EU Army thing stinks if you ask me.

    I am curious as to your thoughts on the subject.

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    I don't know much about the initiative to create an EU army, but at first thought it seems quite implausible. With the UK leaving the Union (hopefully), what would be the common language of such an army? German? French? Or maybe they'll go full LARP and communicate solely in Latin?

    The population of a lot of EU countries are already sick and tired of their National resources and power being handed over to Brussels, with many countries playing with the thought of holding a referendum on continued membership. If Germany and France insist on all member states joining the EU army, I suspect it might be the last drop in the bucket for a lot of them.
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    I think this a question which should separate two parts.

    a.) what is your opinion about EU army?

    b.) what is your opinion about EU army if NATO (and NATO forces) would disappear from Europe?

    ... just because most of European countries are NATO members.

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    The common army is a joke, it would fail as spectacularly as Frontex, Schengen and all the other "common" nonsense failed. It would be merely a giant black hole to suck more money from the countries. And then imagine, Flinten-Uschi (Ursula von der Layen, minister of defense and otherwise 'idead' as the successor to Stoltenberg of NATO) running the show... Okay Europe, go packing. Uniforms for pregnant women, but no working equipment, not even tents. Her "management" is one huge desaster.

    I'm still hoping the French, who've meanwhile gone beyond protesting merely expensive gasoline and high living costs to a general protest against Macron's policies, will go full revolution again and hunt this cunt to the devil. The triumvirat of evil, Juncker, Merkel and Macron... sigh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Langeraat View Post
    Who do you believe will follow up Merkel? With other faces in the CSU like say Karl Theodor zu Guttenberg as rumour would purport, will the governing alliance hold and have the support from regular Germans who are protesting against migration?
    Oh my gods, when they dig out Guttenberg again it will be Flandern in Not all the way for the CDU/CSU

    Current, "serious" candidates for successor are
    *Friedrich Merz (havent been in politics for like 10 years and appears out of nowhere for becoming party leader),
    *Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer (currently General Secretary of CDU and Merkel-clone and darling),
    *Jens Spahn (currently minister of Health in Merkel's cabinet)

    While all three have "serious" chances, my bet goes on Jens Spahn. He's an Atlantic Bridge educate, won contests like the "40 under 40" and "Yound Leaders" (both Atlantic Bridge shows) and was 2017 already at the Bilderberg meeting. Which is a clear sign that he's set for next party leader/chancellor (in CDU, this is always one and the same person).

    With the SPD doing everything in their power (lol) to push their party below the 5% threshold which they may well accomplish until the next general election, the good news is there will certainly not be another "grand coalition" after this one. The bad news is that it will most likely be a CDU-Green coalition, with probably FDP (economic liberals) being allowed to play decoration in the coalition (they hover at around ~7% usually and have traditionally be the party of choice for the CDU to go with, but since CDU is dropping as well, this might not be enough to go black-yellow only).

    With both Merz and Spahn the general course for the CDU could lead away from unlimited mass migration and the other outright communist Merkel nonsense, how far remains to be seen, but, if they go the course they've already set a (careful) step on, this could even cost AfD some percentages again. This would be a deception of electorate of course, because in reality nothing would really change except for the wording and wrapping of things, but unfortunately, ppl are not yet ready to go radical and would happily abandon their "protest vote" for the "good old CDU (anti) Volkspartei". So, there's some danger ahead.

    Speculation:

    Kramp-Karrenbauer supports the UN migration pact, which is developing into quite a scandal right now for various reasons, and all sorts of people speak out against it, including lawyers, judges and what not. Imho, it will still be signed by Merkel (rather the unelected "German" UNO guy who no one ever heard of before), so with AKK supporting it AND, supposed she's going to make it to party leader, the CDU will drop into oblivion just like the SPD, so from this point of view, she'd be the "wish candidate" to make room for general new politicsal landscape, with the so far only small "Freie Wähler", AfD or even, if they get their act together for once, the NPD (and if this would come about, probably FDP joining this rank as well), standing against the Greens and the likewise growing Linke (Left/Communist). The center politics would be nonexistent then.

    The latter is an interesting case, they have a strong, albeit largely silenced in public, wing of "national communists" (they also try to run a new "left movement" called Aufstehen, which is 'critical' of unlimited immigration, but exists solely on the naive view of Wagenknecht that the protesters of Pegida/AfD 'cant be all Nazis', it's a complete failure currently, but interesting nontheless), so the party would have to decide on which side they'd end up, the left with the Greens and maybe the sad remnants of now irrelevant SPD, or the more national(ist) oriented other parties, which either way would ruffle that party quite a bit. Unlike the other leftist parties, they are not fundamentally anti-German (which is the reason why the other leftists dont join their movement), so this would generate a real internal conflict for them whether "programme politics" wins or at the end of the day their rest of heart for Germany...

    But, this is far away and depends on several things to come about for a situation where we would see something like this to happen, so I stop speculating here.

    As said, imho, Jens Spahn is going to make it, which would return the CDU into the "moderate center" of politics (with Merkel, or AKK, they're deep in the left spectrum), which would calm the broad masses enough to be content again with CDU in power - and would deprive us of the show provided by my speculation...
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    The discussion about having a common EU army has mainly arisen due to the failure of the EU in its primary reason for existing-economics. Thus the shift away from this emphasis onto other objectives which they feel are more achievable. 'Ever further (political) union' also goes hand in glove with having a joint military structure.
    There is I suspect a recognition that the USA under Drumpf in many ways represents either a threat to Europe or is becoming a distinct rival. The way in which Drumpf pulled his country out of the Paris Climate Accord and the Iran Nuclear Deal treaty and his sanctioning of Russia and threats to sanction other European countries demonstrates a clear need to place a distance between Europe and the USA. Add to that his contradictory statements about NATO and you can see why it is happening.

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    Macron and Merkel don't care so much about the EU-army itself, it will only be used as an auxiliary force to back up the wars of others and to bully non-EU states in Europe. But having a EU army would be the end of national foreign policies. A country can only have a serious foreign policy when it has an army of its own. So it's all part of the war on nationalism.

    VisualPolitik EN is not my pal and not /our guy/, he usually gets on my nerves, but he made some decent points here that people may want to know about when contributing to this debate:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    Macron and Merkel don't care so much about the EU-army itself, it will only be used as an auxiliary force to back up the wars of others and to bully non-EU states in Europe. But having a EU army would be the end of national foreign policies. A country can only have a serious foreign policy when it has an army of its own. So it's all part of the war on nationalism.
    ^This!

    An EU army would also be deployed against EU members, like Hungary. EU repeatedly threatened already to invade them to force them to take in immigrants, they're kicked out from EU parliament decisions and probably could be permanently excluded from the "conversative party bloc". Or Italy, specially when Macron takes over the EU.

    More on the "toxic weasle" Macron:

    Macron Attacks Nationalism | Wants EU Army | The Most Dangerous Man In Europe



    Some very important background info on Macron, where he came from - it was not out of nowhere, but from Rothschild banks, a Jewish "uncle" advisor who already was advisor for Nikolas "if Europeans don't race mix voluntary there will be laws to force them" Sarkozy and all the rest of elitist global communists of the French establishment, the medias and his commi-friend Obama sending greetings.


    Globalist Macron Vows to Kill Nationalism, While Italy’s Salvini Declares EU ‘Filth’

    Emmanuel Macron has vowed a globalist bloc determined to impose a progressive EU superstate on the continent will defeat “extremist” pro-national sovereignty conservatives at European Parliament elections next year.
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/201...sm-salvini-eu/

    Macron also appears to be affiliated with Hathor Pentalpha, the killer lodge determined to bring about the "progressive global One State", so this guy is truely End-Game material!
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