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    WWII Allied Bombing Killed Almost As Many French People As German Bombs Killed Britons

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27703724


    This story on the BBC is four years old but I just discovered it.

    Historians believe Allied bombardments killed almost as many French people as German bombs killed Britons during the Blitz.According to research carried out by Andrew Knapp, history professor at the UK's University of Reading, British, American and Canadian air raids resulted in 57,000 French civilian losses in World War Two.
    "That's a figure slightly below, but comparable to, the 60,500 the British lost as a result of Luftwaffe bombing

    "It is also true that France took seven times the tonnage of [Allied] bombs that the UK took [from Nazi Germany]," says Knapp. "Roughly 75,000 tonnes of bombs were dropped on the UK [including Hitler's V missiles]. In France, it's in the order of 518,000 tonnes," he says.
    The most disturbing example is the bombing of Le Havre in September 1944. Nearly all of the city was reduced to ash and 5,000 French men, women and children were killed. Allied infantry took the port a few days later but, many believe, they would have done it without the bombardment.
    "It's fairly clear," says Knapp, "that on the basis of the treaties we have signed now - not the treaties we had signed then - some of these raids would be eligible for the category of war crimes."
    At the end of the War, St Nazaire was recorded as "100% destroyed" but talking about the destruction in this and 1,500 other towns was taboo.

    "That silence is amazing and amazed me," says Monfajon. "France was the third country most bombed by the Allies after Germany and Japan and it is hardly mentioned in our history books."

    Of course the article ends with the usual one-sided view but it's amazing just how much destruction to the French the "allies" did!


    Add to this the interesting scenario of the British attack and destruction of France's navy after France's defeat by Germany (including the fact of French sailors commanding some of these ships and actually firing at British aircraft and ships in retaliation!!)


    Of course my view is that Hitler didn't want another war like "The Great War" and it was these allies who wanted an excuse to attack Germany (ie, the Polish Corridor and Germany's attack against Poland).


    I was just shocked that the amount of bombs dropped on France was so much more that what Germany dropped on the UK.

    And of course the amount that the US and UK dropped on Germany far exceeded these.


    "the British and the Americans dropped some 2.7 million tons of bombs on Germany. " from one source


    Germany's bombs on UK = 75,000 tons
    US,UK bombs on Germany = 2.7 million tons

    (that doesn't even touch on the amount of bombs the US dropped on Japan while destroying 60+ cities there too)


    But I'm told they were the good guys by school, movies, newspapers, books, TV shows so it must be true :-\

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    An American soldier said: "We sure liberated the hell out of this place."

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenrune View Post
    Of course my view is that Hitler didn't want another war like "The Great War" and it was these allies who wanted an excuse to attack Germany (ie, the Polish Corridor and Germany's attack against Poland).
    The British Government was accused of appeasing Hitler and obviously did not want war. It's bloody obvious who the aggressor was.



    A fine example of the Germanic warrior race! Don't fuck with the Anglosphere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelfgar View Post
    The British Government was accused of appeasing Hitler and obviously did not want war. It's bloody obvious who the aggressor was.
    Indeed. Those who say "Hitler did not want war" are simply ignorant of history. Hitler initially wanted revenge for Versailles, what could have been understandable, but it did not end there. He became a greedy megalomaniac who thought he could get away with occupying other people's lands without consequence. After the invasion of Czechoslovakia, and then Poland, German aggression became clear. The youth indoctrination meant that Germany had many strong and committed young men to wage a war of aggression. Hitler should have really stopped at the German minority question. He underestimated the response of world powers, who were not going to just sit and watch as his army crossed through Europe. The lesson is, actions have consequences. The saddest fact is that he dragged the war and also refused to capitulate. Hitler is literally responsible for the deaths of millions of Germans, who had to pay with their lives for his demented refusal to end the unnecessary suffering. Hitler made it clear that he would never capitulate and wage war forever, if it was possilble, so the only response to this was to bomb his country into oblivion.

    So do not come with sob stories on how the Allies were the "bully" in this, because they were clearly not. If you want to blame someone for the deaths of those people, blame your Führer:

    “We will not capitulate – no, never! We may be destroyed, but if we are, we shall drag a world with us – a world in flames.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Indeed. Those who say "Hitler did not want war" are simply ignorant of history. Hitler initially wanted revenge for Versailles, what could have been understandable, but it did not end there.
    The people who talk the most about history are often superficial gaugers who haven't dared to go beyond the books published by historians or revisionists. They lean on the work of others instead of digging through the cited books and doing their own research.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    He became a greedy megalomaniac who thought he could get away with occupying other people's lands without consequence. After the invasion of Czechoslovakia, and then Poland, German aggression became clear.
    It's typical of biographers to judge him by behaviors and actions ascribed to to him by his political enemies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    The youth indoctrination meant that Germany had many strong and committed young men to wage a war of aggression.
    All governments are guilty of indoctrinating their youth.

    At least the training of the youth in NS Germany was based on the Hellenic/Spartan model, which balanced body and mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Hitler should have really stopped at the German minority question. He underestimated the response of world powers, who were not going to just sit and watch as his army crossed through Europe.
    That's literally what the Western powers did with their appeasement and what the Soviets did during the pact. Both sides wanted to play Hitler against the other then join in when the two enemies were weakened.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    The lesson is, actions have consequences.
    The lesson is that human beings learn nothing from history because there's nothing to learn from it. All sides had their mistakes, let bygones be bygones and forget the past. Tell me why the Jews have founded their religion on remembrance of past grievances, as their own Maimonides put it? This demand to remember the past, to commemorate years of barbarism, imposing reparations, and forcing people to make up with each other is precisely why there can never be peace on this planet. It remains an illusion.

    Hitler is the key to abolishing history itself. With his rehabilitation, it will be decisively exposed for the fiction construct that it is. He is a perfect tool of destruction in that regard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    The saddest fact is that he dragged the war and also refused to capitulate. Hitler is literally responsible for the deaths of millions of Germans, who had to pay with their lives for his demented refusal to end the unnecessary suffering. Hitler made it clear that he would never capitulate and wage war forever, if it was possible, so the only response to this was to bomb his country into oblivion.
    And there's that same excuse given for the bombing of the Japanese. While completely omitting post-war measures, mock trials and executions, and the conduct of the victors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    “We will not capitulate – no, never! We may be destroyed, but if we are, we shall drag a world with us – a world in flames.”
    - Adolf Hitler
    Where's the original source? The search results are littered with quote sites of questionable reliability.

    The quote featured in this reddit post is more plausible, but even this one seems apocryphal as no specific date is given:

    "Wenn wir untergehen sollten, dann wird mit uns das ganze deutsche Volk untergehen, und zwar so ruhmreich, dass selbst noch nach tausend Jahren der heroische Untergang der Deutschen in der Weltgeschichte an erster Stelle steht."

    — Auf einer Pressekonferenz im März 1945

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    The British empire should've been called the yiddish empire. They were largely responsible for both WW1 and WW2 and also responsible for rejecting every peace offer Hitler ever made.
    Now they are paying the price. Their nation punished as a result of their sin.
    Germany was the victim in WW2.

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    Just what we need, yet another blame festival about WWII.

    But I'll bite and let me just say this:
    If you're starving the civil population of a people months after signing an armistice,
    if you split off millions of Germans from their fatherland and plunge them as a minority into states of peoples that hate and terrorise them and you totally destroy the Austrian Empire and then prohibit the small territory to at least reunite with the rest of the Germans, after you've babbled about the "self-determination of peoples" for years, waged your war in the name of that ideal and just cut up their state for it,
    if you destroy the economy by taking away their mineral resources close to home, put astronomical reparations to pay on them(on top of their own war damage) and take away all their meager colonies,
    if you lay all the blame for a war that killed millions, that was actually a product of joint European incompetence to communicate, on them,
    if you prohibit them of building defenses on their borders up to 50 to 100 km inland and reduce the army of a people of 70 millions to a mere 100.000 men and don't allow them any advanced weaponry like submarines, planes or tanks, and so on, what did you expect would happen? That a people of 70 million and with the spirit Germans posses(ed) would just roll over?

    I'd actually expect something like the Treaty of Versailles from the French because they are a cruel people and have been the bane of German(ic)s for hundreds of years. But I can imagine what it felt like for the Germans of 1914 and then of 1919, when a nation with whom you fought against the French in countless wars and whose armies were earlier partly bolstered by your manpower and yet another nation, with whom up until then you had no quarrel whatsoever and whose population is in no small part of German ancestry, behave like they did.
    Is it really any surprise to you then, that we dragged it out until the end in the second war when we knew what capitulating meant for us already in the first war, when we could only expect worse in the second? Capitulating earlier wouldn't have made any difference anyway, our fate was decided in Februar 1945 at the latest and the only thing that prevented us from a worse (although I'm not even sure it really would have been worse than what we are now) fate was actually the onslaught of

    But we were the aggressors, alright. Probably even in both wars, yeah. As you say, Dagna, "The lesson is, actions have consequences.".

    "War of aggression" is the most retarded term ever invented to begin with. Did Britain acquire a quarter of the globe with nice words? Did the US acquire a territory spanning half a continent by being nice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    So do not come with sob stories on how the Allies were the "bully" in this, because they were clearly not. If you want to blame someone for the deaths of those people, blame your Führer:

    “We will not capitulate – no, never! We may be destroyed, but if we are, we shall drag a world with us – a world in flames.”
    - Adolf Hitler
    Ah, so basically he said the same as Churchill, who is still celebrated for his speech:

    We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.

    At least don't be hypocritical, if you want to continue on your crusade against "ze evil nazis". At some point it's simply enough, get over yourself. I have to read nonsense like this in foreign and German media every day and read and hear the disgusting snivelling of modern Germans about it. I don't want to have to read that drivel on a forum dedicated to Germanic reconciliation.

    And no, I'm actually not a "Nazi". But still a German and frankly ashamed you could be (partly) of the same blood.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aelfgar View Post
    The British Government was accused of appeasing Hitler and obviously did not want war. It's bloody obvious who the aggressor was.



    A fine example of the Germanic warrior race! Don't fuck with the Anglosphere.

    Up to this point I liked you and I definitely respect the right of anyone to be proud of the bravery and valor of his ancestors and his people. I actually find it sad when Anglos on here can't respect their warriors of WWI and II because I certainly do, with those that deserve it. You can and should even respect an honourable enemy.

    But when you quote a psychopathic desk criminal like Arthur Harris, who was merely bent on killing as many German civilians, who were obviously mostly woman, children and the elders during the war, as possible, despite it not even having any big effect on German moral or war efforts, you lose any respect with me.
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    What do they know of Europe, Who only Europe know?



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    "Germany is becoming too strong. We must crush her. You must understand that this war is not against Hitler or Nationalsocialism, but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all, regardless of whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest."

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    So the war criminal Bomber Harris fought the Jewish war and became an "Antifa" hero









    This was repeated in Hamburg, Rosenheim etc.

    Who ever thinks this was "just and good" and supports the destruction of Germany also supports the destruction and genocide of the Germanic/European peoples today
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    "Germany is becoming too strong. We must crush her. You must understand that this war is not against Hitler or Nationalsocialism, but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all, regardless of whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest."

    Winston Churchill
    Alas, the authenticity of this popular quote seems spurious.

    But this quote is pretty damning:

    We intend to take steps far more drastic and effective than those that followed the last war, because we know much more about this business, so as to render all offensive action by Germany utterly impossible for generations to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelfgar View Post

    The British Government was accused of appeasing Hitler and obviously did not want war. It's bloody obvious who the aggressor was.
    Who declared war upon whom? In 1914 AND 1939?



    A fine example of the Germanic warrior race! Don't fuck with the Anglosphere.
    Why don't you go burn in hell with your bloodthirsty hero? The so-called "Anglosphere," and I'm including the USA of course, consists mostly of brainwashed fools who just love the taste of shit right out of the Jews's asses. The rats dump their propaganda like the diarrhea it is and the limeys and muricans just say "YUM! Yes, we will go to war to kill your enemies for you mister Rothschild, sir. We believe everything you say!"
    Most people think as they are trained to think, and most people make a majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelfgar View Post


    An American soldier said: "We sure liberated the hell out of this place."
    Yeah, bombing innocent women and children from safe above, that's all these pathetic little cowards can do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aelfgar View Post
    The British Government was accused of appeasing Hitler and obviously did not want war. It's bloody obvious who the aggressor was.
    Be quiet and watch this before parroting the BS (((they)) told you.



    Quote Originally Posted by Aelfgar View Post


    A fine example of the Germanic warrior race! Don't fuck with the Anglosphere.
    You're nothing but disgusting if you really celebrate this disgusting war criminal and act as if he had been some kind of "hero". Go to the Antifa, they celebrate this SOB too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Indeed. Those who say "Hitler did not want war" are simply ignorant of history. Hitler initially wanted revenge for Versailles, what could have been understandable, but it did not end there. He became a greedy megalomaniac who thought he could get away with occupying other people's lands without consequence. After the invasion of Czechoslovakia, and then Poland, German aggression became clear. The youth indoctrination meant that Germany had many strong and committed young men to wage a war of aggression. Hitler should have really stopped at the German minority question. He underestimated the response of world powers, who were not going to just sit and watch as his army crossed through Europe. The lesson is, actions have consequences. The saddest fact is that he dragged the war and also refused to capitulate. Hitler is literally responsible for the deaths of millions of Germans, who had to pay with their lives for his demented refusal to end the unnecessary suffering. Hitler made it clear that he would never capitulate and wage war forever, if it was possilble, so the only response to this was to bomb his country into oblivion.

    So do not come with sob stories on how the Allies were the "bully" in this, because they were clearly not. If you want to blame someone for the deaths of those people, blame your Führer:

    “We will not capitulate – no, never! We may be destroyed, but if we are, we shall drag a world with us – a world in flames.”
    - Adolf Hitler
    So what? There is indeed no reason to ever capitulate to (((them))). See what Germany and whole Europe has become since then. I can fully comprehend that our great soldiers fought till the last drop of blood to prevent this what we have now.

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