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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe
    The only strenght the US had , had been the technology , that is impressive.
    Industry, resources, manpower, absolute control of the oceans which renders the U.S. immune against invasion and gives it the ability to project military force around the globe, resilience, dynamism, tremendous firepower... the size of the U.S. is a strength in and of itself. In any war against peers the U.S. can outproduce its adversaries and develop hardware to counter new threats faster than anyone else. The U.S. has more military strengths than weaknesses. But invincible armies don't exist.

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    These articles are propaganda , rubbish to the core .
    Of course , lobbyists moan all the time , to get more money for their vehicles ,
    and so do these think tanks .
    I considered that possibility, as we've seen many such articles before, but I don't believe that is the case here. This is an honest assessment of U.S. military power neutral foreign experts can agree with, some things have changed in the last 15 years.
    “Every integral man has inside him, in his heart of hearts, a mystic center around which all else revolves. This mystic whirling lends unity to his thoughts and actions; it helps him find or invent the cosmic harmony. For some this center is love, for others kindness or beauty, others the thirst for knowledge or the longing for gold and power. They examine the relative value of all else and subordinate it to this central passion.” - Nikos Kazantzakis, 'Report to Greco'

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    The USA is being invaded right now. And we can't out produce our enemies not with all of our industries overseas.
    The truth is our military is very weak in everything but high tech junk we use to disguise the poor quality of our troops.

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    On Costliest U.S. Warship Ever, Navy Can’t Get Munitions on Deck



    Only two of 11 elevators needed to lift munitions to the deck of the U.S. Navy’s new $13 billion aircraft carrier have been installed, according to a Navy veteran who serves on a key House committee.

    “I don’t see an end in sight right now” to getting all the elevators working on the USS Gerald R. Ford, the costliest warship ever, Democratic Representative Elaine Luria of Virginia said in an interview. The ship was supposed to be delivered with the Advanced Weapons Elevators, which are moved by magnets rather than cables, working in May 2017.

    It’s another setback for contractor Huntington Ingalls Industries Inc. -- and for the Navy, which had said in December it planned to complete installation and testing of all 11 elevators before the Ford completed its post-delivery shakedown phase this month, with at least half certified for operation.

    Instead, the shakedown phase has been extended to October and the vessel won’t have all the elevators installed -- much less functioning -- by then, according to Luria, a 20-year Navy surface warfare officer whose served on two aircraft carriers and as shore maintenance coordinator for a third.

    “Essentially, the ship can’t deploy,” Luria said. “It can’t carry ammunition.” She said the Navy and Huntington Ingalls are trying to solve new problems with doors and hatches lining elevators shafts that don’t meet specifications.

    Navy Secretary Richard Spencer, who’s currently filling in as acting deputy defense secretary, said in January that he told President Donald Trump to fire him if the service couldn’t fix the weapons elevators by July. Instead, Trump praised the Ford as “phenomenal” on July 22.

    The Ford’s Advanced Weapons Elevators are designed for the carrier’s crew to move as much as 24,000 pounds of ordnance at 150 feet-per-minute, up from the 10,500 pounds at 100 feet-per-minute on the older Nimitz-class carrier. That would increase by more than 30% the number of combat sorties that could launch from the carrier over 24 hours, according to the Navy.

    The elevators aren’t the only issue plaguing the ship, which has had problems with two other core systems -- the electromagnetic system to launch planes and the arresting gear to catch them when they land.

    Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman James Inhofe said he will question Vice Admiral Michael Gilday, Trump’s nominee for chief of naval operations, about the vessel’s progress during his confirmation hearing on Wednesday.

    ‘Under-Equipped Navy’

    “I am concerned overall that the Navy is under-equipped in key areas,” the Oklahoma Republican said in a statement. “The USS Gerald R. Ford is a prime example of that -- delivered nearly two years late, billions over budget, and 9 of 11 weapons elevators still don’t work, with costs continuing to grow,” he said in a statement.

    Beci Brenton, a spokeswoman for Huntington Ingalls, said in an email that “we continue to work closely with our Navy partners to resolve the issues.” She said the Newport News, Virginia-based shipbuilder is “committed to working through the remaining build and test challenges on this system as quickly as possible, and to test, certify and turn over all” 11 elevators “safely and efficiently.”

    Captain Danny Hernandez, a Navy spokesman, said because of the “concurrent nature of elevator development and construction” they “have been test beds for discovering developmental issues that have delayed the turnover to the crew.”

    He cited “tight tolerances” and “physical structures adjustments,” references to the new problems with 70 elevator shaft doors and 17 hatches that don’t meet design specifications.

    Fixing the problem is “a very time-intensive process of alignment where things are welded on” and have to be cut off and rewelded and realigned, Luria said.

    “I think they have the technology and capability to do it, it’s just incredibly time-consuming to do this for nine more elevators,” she said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech
    This letter has caused plenty of consternation in the States and is reported by the international media.
    Former Navy SEAL’s Open Letter to Navy Command: ‘SEALs Aren’t the Problem, it’s the Leadership’



    The fighting men and women of the United States Armed Forces aren't the problem—it's the career-centric commanders.

    The top US Navy SEAL, Rear Adm. Collin Green just sent a message to the Teams that was titled “We have a problem”, and he’s not wrong. But I would argue that the problem most of the men see is not what the admiral has in mind.

    This comes on the back of the Eddie Gallagher debacle, Team 7 having an entire platoon sent home from Iraq for drinking and several other incidents dating back to when my team was courts martialed for prisoner abuse in 2009.

    An observer might look at this as “what is wrong with the SEAL Teams” but the real question is; what is wrong with the leadership that has taken the word of terrorists, politicians and over zealous Navy attorneys or investigators that are selling our brave soldiers out?

    I speak from personal experience. In 2009 my platoon captured the infamous ‘butcher of Fallujah’, so well featured in Chris Kyle’s America Sniper movie. We were subsequently Courts martialed by fellow commanding SEALs; Wilske and Richards. 3 of the 8 of us initially charged stood a full courts martials. Everyone was acquitted as we knew we would be, however the damage was done.



    Same with Eddie Gallagher. While the Navy said “the system worked and you were acquitted” the process became the punishment. It destroyed careers, separated families and cost too good loyal soldiers tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees. Is that justice… or fair for someone willing to die for their country who makes less than 60,000 dollars a year?

    The system is broken, I wrote about this in all three of my books. Many commanders become bureaucratic monsters with their career in their front sights and not the mission or the men, they forget. Do SEALs get a wrap for being cowboys? Hell yes we do, and that’s because we are the ones that raised our hands to do the job that most don’t want to do and even more can’t do, so cut us some slack if we want to have a few beers in Iraq in between gun fights. I did, and I know a bunch of now high-ranking brass that did because they were right next to me doing it in Baghdad in 2007.

    The SEAL teams have not changed much, the two things that have changed are the political climate around us and the fact that everyone has an iPhone that records every minute of our life. I certainly don’t condone things like sexual assault or criminal behavior and agree those things should be prosecuted, if there is evidence.

    But when it comes to the battlefield, cut us. and quite frankly any other solider who is willing to die for their country some slack. Every troop should go into battle knowing that no matter what, their commander is behind them if they have to pull that trigger. That is not the case now and it is destroying the military.

    The brass of today has forgotten that they trained us to be war fighters not politicians. We are rough around the edges, scrappy, many of us love to party, sometimes arrogant and occasionally impulsive but we get the damn job done and that should be the most important thing. So, Admiral Green, the way you and your commanders have “made an example” out of good men who serve honorably is the real problem. You treat allegations as convictions WITHOUT evidence.

    You want recommendations on how to address the problem? Stop giving medals to a Navy JAG officers that prosecute your own men. The embarrassment of the President of the United States rescinding a medal should contrast YOUR culture problem. Get the lawyers off the battlefield and if you unleash the dogs of war do not be surprised if we bite.

    America, would you rather have an inspection ready, rule abiding unit or a rough bunch of men ready to kill bad guys to protect our freedoms? I know where I stand, let’s cut our guys some slack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    America, would you rather have an inspection ready, rule abiding unit or a rough bunch of men ready to kill bad guys to protect our freedoms? I know where I stand, let’s cut our guys some slack.
    SF units in all branches in the past could be both, While true SF units got to bend some rules such a saluting, and dress codes but overall they are were/are supposed to set the example for being squared away and spit and polished inspection ready troops. Discipline is the key to all SF units including SEALs.
    Life is like a fire hydrant- sometimes you help people put out their fires, but most of the time you just get peed on by every dog in the neighborhood.

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    China could overwhelm US military in Asia in hours, Australian report says



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    Hong Kong (CNN)The US military is no longer the primary force in Asia, and missiles from China's rapidly improving military could overwhelm its bases in hours, according to a new report.
    The study by the United States Study Center, at the University of Sydney, in Australia, warned that America's defense strategy in the Indo-Pacific region "is in the throes of an unprecedented crisis" and could struggle to defend its allies against China.

    That means Australia, Japan and other US partners need to build up and refocus their forces in the region, and consider increased cooperation with the US, to ensure their security, the study claimed.

    The report highlights areas where China's military is making huge strides in comparison to the US and its Asian allies and partners. Chief among those is in missiles.
    "China has deployed a formidable array of precision missiles and other counter-intervention systems to undercut America's military primacy," the report states. Those missiles number in the thousands, the report says.

    Almost all US military installations in the Western Pacific, as well as those of its key partners and allies, "could be rendered useless by precision strikes in the opening hours of a conflict," according to the report.

    China's Foreign Ministry said Monday it had not seen the report, but spokesperson Geng Shuang stressed that the country's military policy was "defensive in nature."
    "China is firmly on a path of peaceful development and our national defense policy is defensive in nature," Geng said. CNN reached out to the Pentagon for comment but had not heard back at the time of publication.

    Little surprise

    Much of the Australian report should come as little surprise to the Pentagon.

    A November 2018 report to Congress from the National Defense Strategy Commission said "the US military could suffer unacceptably high casualties" and "might struggle to win or perhaps lose, a war against China or Russia."

    Six months later, the US Defense Department's annual report on China's military said Beijing was intent on developing a world-class military and becoming "the preeminent power in the Indo-Pacific region."

    Chinese military vehicles carrying DF-26 ballistic missiles drive are seen during a 2015 military parade in Beijing. Upwards of 2,000 short-, medium- and intermediate-range ballistic missiles that can hit land and sea targets are part of that plan, according to the Pentagon report. The Australian study questions the US's ability to keep up with China's advances, and warns that Washington is facing a crisis of "strategic insolvency." For example, the US is seeing its fleet of nuclear-powered attack submarines shrinking at a time when they are needed even more.

    "Put simply, as the environment above the surface becomes more deadly because of Chinese deployments of cruise missiles, hypersonic technologies and anti-air defenses, America's enduring advantage in undersea warfare will become increasingly important in the regional balance of power," the report says.

    But Adm. Phil Davidson, the head of the US Indo-Pacific Command, told Congress in March that he was only getting half of the submarines needed in the Pacific on a daily basis.
    The Australian report says it is critical that Canberra and partners like Japan need to step up to fill the voids the US is leaving.

    "Washington will require significant and ongoing support from its regional allies and partners to successfully deter Chinese adventurism," it said.

    The report, for example, suggested that Australia increase its production of conventionally powered submarines, which are ideal for operations close to coastlines or in areas like the South China Sea. It also encouraged "collective defense" through software that enables communications between allies.

    Working together

    Increased cooperation between the US and its allies is already happening. The US and Australia recently completed their biennial Talisman Sabre exercises in northern Australia, which this year also included a bulked-up Japan Self-Defense Force contingent performing two amphibious landings. The Australian report said more of the same is needed, and farther afield from Australia.

    "Exercises should practice and demonstrate rapid dispersal of air- and land-based strike forces from concentrated basing in mainland Japan, Okinawa and Guam, to small geographically diverse operating locations (around the South China Sea)," it said.

    "The primary aim of such exercises should be to bolster the collective ability to deter, deny and, if necessary, blunt potential Chinese fait accompli aggression," it said.

    The report noted that the Australian military is beset by one of the same ills hurting its American allies -- spreading its forces too thinly. Between 2001 and 2018, Australia spent more than three times as much on operations in the Middle East than it did in the Indo-Pacific.

    The strain that conflicts in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria have placed on the US military's budget, equipment and operations had "ill-prepared" Washington "for great power competition in the Indo-Pacific," it said.
    “Every integral man has inside him, in his heart of hearts, a mystic center around which all else revolves. This mystic whirling lends unity to his thoughts and actions; it helps him find or invent the cosmic harmony. For some this center is love, for others kindness or beauty, others the thirst for knowledge or the longing for gold and power. They examine the relative value of all else and subordinate it to this central passion.” - Nikos Kazantzakis, 'Report to Greco'

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