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    Christianity is a branch of Judaism, it was considered a "Jewish religion for the non-jews".
    (It doesn't matter how old the song is, I won't stop liking it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrozenDice
    Christianity is a branch of Judaism, it was considered a "Jewish religion for the non-jews".
    By modern revisionists, Deconstructed Protestants and some Roman pagans. However, since Christianity since its incarnation has been 'anti-Jewish' in origin, even the Jews rightly argue against a 'Jewish origin' for Christianity. (They are right!) The Hellenic origins of Christianity seem to have a much more solid case - making Christianity *truly* European in the strictest sense.
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    Post Re: Halloween Costumes

    Halloween is not anti-Christian. Where in the Bible does it say we cannot recognize the darkness within ourselves? According the the Bible we are born in a state of sin. Perhaps Christians should have a holiday where they are allowed to revisit their pre-saved, sinful selves for one evening and the next evening give thanks to Jesus for making them see the light. A religious excuse to party one's ass off..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontiersman
    By modern revisionists, Deconstructed Protestants and some Roman pagans. However, since Christianity since its incarnation has been 'anti-Jewish' in origin, even the Jews rightly argue against a 'Jewish origin' for Christianity. (They are right!) The Hellenic origins of Christianity seem to have a much more solid case - making Christianity *truly* European in the strictest sense.
    There is nothing remotely anti-Jewish about Christian doctrine or the 27 books of the New Testament. You are forgetting that Christianity has entirely Jewish antecedents and all of the first Christians were of Jewish origin along with the apostles.
    Did not Paul emphasise that the gentiles are the "wild vine" grafted onto the "natural vine", the Jews? Did not Christ also say that "Salvation is of the Jews"?
    Christian doctrine and belief has weakened Aryan man and his heroic warrior aspect by the elevation of the weak,the ignoble and the foolish at the expense of the strong,the noble and the wise.

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    Post Re: Halloween Costumes

    Quote Originally Posted by FrozenDice
    Christianity is a branch of Judaism,
    Really? Jewish scholar Joshua Jehouda disputes such a notion declaring that "it links in one breath two ideas which are completely irreconcileable, it seeks to demonstrate that there is no difference between day and night or hot and cold or black and white, and thus introduces a fatal element of confusion to a basis on which some, nevertheless, are endeavouring to construct a civilisation."(l'Antisemitisme Miroir du Monde pp. 135-6)

    And he isnt the only Jew who denies the connection with Christianity:

    "...you will notice the great difference between the Jewish and Christian religions. But these are not all. We consider the two religions so different that one excludes the other. ...we emphasized that there is no such thing as a Judeo-Christian religion. There is not any similarity between the two concepts."
    --Rabbi Maggal (President, National Jewish Information Service) letter, 21 August 1961

    it was considered a "Jewish religion for the non-jews".
    By whom? By 132 AD even the Romans considered Christianity a seperate religion from Judaism. And this "jewish religion for non-jews" is an oxymoron.

    Oh well.

    "Despite the ostensible merging of Judean and Jew even in certain New Testament passages and by the rabbis who became rulers of Palestine in the third century and continued to use Hebrew and Aramaic more than Greek, the roots of Christianity were not Jewish. Christianity did not derive from the Judaism of the pharisees, but emerged like Judaism from the wider Judean milieu of the first century. Both Christians and Jews stemmed from pre-70 Judean-ism as heirs of groups that were to take on the role of primary guardians or interpreters of scripture as they developed on parallel tracks in relation to each other."
    --Robert and Mary Coote Power, Politics, and the Making of the Bible

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    Post Re: Halloween Costumes

    Quote Originally Posted by AryanKrieger
    There is nothing remotely anti-Jewish about Christian doctrine or the 27 books of the New Testament.
    :eyes I dont even know where to begin to refute this nonsense!

    You are forgetting that Christianity has entirely Jewish antecedents and all of the first Christians were of Jewish origin along with the apostles.
    XXX....wrong. The Apostles were Galileens which even the Bible admits is a land of gentiles. I even read a book about the influence Jesus had on the development of Judaism and it admitted that during the Macabees period the Jewish religion was imposed on the gentile Galileens. But the Judaism that arosed in Galilee was significantly different from that in Judea. Galileen Judaism was heavily influenced by Hellenism and this earned them nothing but contempt from the orthodox Judeans.

    "It is known that Jesus and his teachings enlisted their first following among the Galilean provincials who were despised by the Jerusalemites for having yielded more than others to foreign influences. "Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth?" they said. These humble folks of Galilee, though much attached to the Judaic rites and customs, in which respect they were perhaps stricter than the Jerusalemites, were ignorant of the Law and were therefore despised by the haughty doctors of Judea. This scorn likewise followed the first disciples of Jesus, some of whom, besides, belonged to the disreputable classes, such as e.g., the publicans."
    -- Bernard Lazare, AntiSemitism: Its History and Causes pg. 30

    So this notion that Christianity arosed out of Judaism or that the Apostles were Jews can only be made on flimsy grounds. Even the Catholic Encyclopedia admits that the Jewish population in Galilee was significantly small; Galileens were largely Cannanites, Phonencians, and yes even GREEKS!

    In fact is it a well known fact that there was strong Greek(Hellenic) influences on Christianity from the very beginning. Even scholars who insist on Christianity's Jewish origins admit this:

    "It is precisely these Jewish origins of Christianity that draw our attention toward Hellenism in the larger sense, in its cultural and intellectual dimensions. The mindsets, the way of thinking, the literary products of the first Christian centuries bear witness to the meeting that had already taken place between Hellenism and Judaism. A process of Hellenization began with the Greek translation of the Torah, the Pentateuch, and continued with the works written directly in Greek, like the Book of Wisdom. It grew more vigorous in Alexandrian Judaism, owning to contributions by authors such as Aristobulus and especially Philon; the latter consciously adapted Greek philosophical concepts to his understanding of the Bible by means of allegory, producing a theology, a cosmology, and an anthropology that profoundly influenced the first church fathers."
    --"Hellenism and Christianity" from Greek thought : a guide to classical knowledge edited by Jacques Brunschwig and Geoffrey E.R. Lloyd, with the collaboration of Pierre Pellegrin ; translated under the direction of Catherine Porter. page 859

    So if Christianity grew out of Judaism, it grew out of a form of Judaism more influenced by Greek thinking than anything Talmudic.

    Did not Christ also say that "Salvation is of the Jews"?
    I like to know where he saids that!

    Christian doctrine and belief has weakened Aryan man and his heroic warrior aspect by the elevation of the weak,the ignoble and the foolish at the expense of the strong,the noble and the wise.
    Nevermind that chivalry arosed out of Christianity and that concept certainly did not weaken European masculinity but enhanced it. Oh and dont give me the typical argument that chivalry was simply absorbed by thr Christians from German warrior ethics.

    “Because we associate chivalry with courtliness and the “civilizing” impulse, many have assumed that the triumphant figure of Christ was a survival of Germanic culture and it was gradually replaced by a human-centered, more emotionally resonant representation of the Passion. The militant spirit of Christianity was not a pagan survival, however, but a commonplace of monastic literature. Here is the opening paragraph of the Benedictine Rule, developed by St. Benedict in the early sixth century, long before Christianity made headway in the Germanic territories of northern Europe:
    “Listen, my son, to your master’s precepts, and incline the ear of your heart. Receive willingly and carry out effectively your loving father’s advice…To you, therefore, my words are now addressed, whoever you may be, who are renouncing your own will to do battle under the Lord Christ, the true King, and are taking up the strong, bright weapons of obedience.”
    Behind such expressions we hear the words of St. Paul calling Christians to don “the armor of Christ” (Eph. 6:10-18, for example). But in the Rule the thinking is refined and adapted to the formation of a brotherhood. Obedience has become a weapon; renouncing one’s will enables one to “do battle” under Christ. The Rule was probably known in Anglo-Saxon England already in the seventh century and shows that Christianity did not depend on Germanic paganism for an appreciation of martial metaphors.”
    --Allen J. Frantzen Bloody Good: Chivalry, Sacrifice, and the Great War pg.33-4

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    Post Re: Halloween Costumes

    Quote Originally Posted by Frontiersman
    The Hellenic origins of Christianity seem to have a much more solid case - making Christianity *truly* European in the strictest sense.
    "Still, one fact must be stressed. Christianity has had a strong tie to Hellenism from the beginning, in that it was spread by means of Greek. The oldest Christian writings, including the authentic letters of Paul, were written in Greek. Whatever may have been the linguistic form of oral tradition and underlying sources of the canonical Gospels, these, too, were composed in Greek. The choice is not limited to the mission of the "Apostle to the Gentiles". It is inherent in the usage of communities that produced the texts that were later canonized as a cherent set, the New Testament. The Jews of the Diaspora were speakers of Greek. They adopted the koine, the language of communication throughout the Orient from the time of Alexander's conquests. Galilee was strongly marked by Hellenistic civilization, and even in Judea, Greek was widespread.”
    --"Hellenism and Christianity" from Greek thought : a guide to classical knowledge edited by Jacques Brunschwig and Geoffrey E.R. Lloyd, with the collaboration of Pierre Pellegrin ; translated under the direction of Catherine Porter. page 858

    Its also been noted by many scholars the strong Greek influence in the Gospels. So much so that its believed that at least one of them(Luke's Gospel) was actually written by a Greek Christian.

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    Post Re: Halloween Costumes

    Quote Originally Posted by Taras Bulba
    :eyes I dont even know where to begin to refute this nonsense!

    I see so do I take that as an admission of defeat?


    XXX....wrong. The Apostles were Galileens which even the Bible admits is a land of gentiles.

    Incorrect, this was a hevily miscegenated area of Mischling Jews.

    I even read a book about the influence Jesus had on the development of Judaism and it admitted that during the Macabees period the Jewish religion was imposed on the gentile Galileens. But the Judaism that arosed in Galilee was significantly different from that in Judea. Galileen Judaism was heavily influenced by Hellenism and this earned them nothing but contempt from the orthodox Judeans.

    If you are trying to make out a case for Galileans being Aryans forget about it:you are on swampy ground.

    "It is known that Jesus and his teachings enlisted their first following among the Galilean provincials who were despised by the Jerusalemites for having yielded more than others to foreign influences. "Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth?" they said. These humble folks of Galilee, though much attached to the Judaic rites and customs, in which respect they were perhaps stricter than the Jerusalemites, were ignorant of the Law and were therefore despised by the haughty doctors of Judea. This scorn likewise followed the first disciples of Jesus, some of whom, besides, belonged to the disreputable classes, such as e.g., the publicans."
    -- Bernard Lazare, AntiSemitism: Its History and Causes pg. 30

    So this notion that Christianity arosed out of Judaism or that the Apostles were Jews can only be made on flimsy grounds. Even the Catholic Encyclopedia admits that the Jewish population in Galilee was significantly small; Galileens were largely Cannanites, Phonencians, and yes even GREEKS!

    All mixed up into one repugnant multicultural melting point.Is that your motive? The advancement ofa multicultural agenda under the cover of Jewish Christianity?

    In fact is it a well known fact that there was strong Greek(Hellenic) influences on Christianity from the very beginning. Even scholars who insist on Christianity's Jewish origins admit this:

    "It is precisely these Jewish origins of Christianity that draw our attention toward Hellenism in the larger sense, in its cultural and intellectual dimensions. The mindsets, the way of thinking, the literary products of the first Christian centuries bear witness to the meeting that had already taken place between Hellenism and Judaism. A process of Hellenization began with the Greek translation of the Torah, the Pentateuch, and continued with the works written directly in Greek, like the Book of Wisdom. It grew more vigorous in Alexandrian Judaism, owning to contributions by authors such as Aristobulus and especially Philon; the latter consciously adapted Greek philosophical concepts to his understanding of the Bible by means of allegory, producing a theology, a cosmology, and an anthropology that profoundly influenced the first church fathers."
    --"Hellenism and Christianity" from Greek thought : a guide to classical knowledge edited by Jacques Brunschwig and Geoffrey E.R. Lloyd, with the collaboration of Pierre Pellegrin ; translated under the direction of Catherine Porter. page 859

    So if Christianity grew out of Judaism, it grew out of a form of Judaism more influenced by Greek thinking than anything Talmudic.

    Paul goes to great lengths as do the gospel writers to point out that the birth,life and death of the Nazarene were in fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies.



    I like to know where he saids that!

    JOHN 4:21-23



    Nevermind that chivalry arosed out of Christianity and that concept certainly did not weaken European masculinity but enhanced it.

    Chivalry grew predominately out of the Ario-Germanic warrior figure and had absolutely nothing to with your "turn the other cheek" Jewish Christian mentality.

    Oh and dont give me the typical argument that chivalry was simply absorbed by thr Christians from German warrior ethics.

    You may not like it but it is true.

    “Because we associate chivalry with courtliness and the “civilizing” impulse, many have assumed that the triumphant figure of Christ was a survival of Germanic culture and it was gradually replaced by a human-centered, more emotionally resonant representation of the Passion. The militant spirit of Christianity was not a pagan survival, however, but a commonplace of monastic literature. Here is the opening paragraph of the Benedictine Rule, developed by St. Benedict in the early sixth century, long before Christianity made headway in the Germanic territories of northern Europe:

    Haha,hardly an unbiased INDEPENDANT source is it?


    Behind such expressions we hear the words of St. Paul calling Christians to don “the armor of Christ” (Eph. 6:10-18, for example).

    Meant figuratively not literally.

    But in the Rule the thinking is refined and adapted to the formation of a brotherhood. Obedience has become a weapon; renouncing one’s will enables one to “do battle” under Christ. The Rule was probably known in Anglo-Saxon England already in the seventh century and shows that Christianity did not depend on Germanic paganism for an appreciation of martial metaphors.”
    --Allen J. Frantzen Bloody Good: Chivalry, Sacrifice, and the Great War pg.33-4
    Allowing oneself to be spat upon ,flogged and nailed to a tree is not an example of a martial outlook.
    Last edited by Wuotans Krieger; Tuesday, September 28th, 2004 at 07:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lg
    A religious excuse to party one's ass off..

    Something that athiests and we wicked godless heathens can do whenever we so wish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AryanKrieger
    I see so do I take that as an admission of defeat?
    Is it just me, or do pagans always try to claim victory when its perfectly clear their positions are being shot down one by one, and especially when done using quotes from scholarly sources(something you have not done in the least).

    Nice try at claiming victory, I've faced down more elaborate arguments than the ones you spout.


    Incorrect, this was a hevily miscegenated area of Mischling Jews.
    Read the book of Macabees, it clearly states Galilee is a land of Gentiles.

    If you are trying to make out a case for Galileans being Aryans forget about it:you are on swampy ground.
    Nice straw man. Although it is well known Greeks did live in Galilee and one of the Gospels mentions Jesus preaching to Greeks.

    All mixed up into one repugnant multicultural melting point.Is that your motive? The advancement ofa multicultural agenda under the cover of Jewish Christianity?
    Its become obivous you dont even understand what my argument was.....and you're the one stroking your ego about me being defeated.

    Judaism none the less and Paul goes to great lengths as do the gospel writers to point out that the birth,life and death of the Nazarene were in fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies.
    And as I already pointed out(using a quote from a Jewish scholar) JUDAISM IS NOT THE RELIGION OF THE BIBLE!

    JOHN 4:21-23
    What he seems to be stating is that under the old ways salvation came from the Jewish people but the time will come when all true in spirit will worship God. So not entirely that convincing. Also I suspect this another issue of translation for its been noted that most words that come off as "Jew" is a result of a mistranslation of the original Greek word which has no religious connotation but refers to a person living in the Judea region(hence a white Greek pagan living in Judea falls under this category).

    Chivalry grew predominately out of the Ario-Germanic warrior figure
    Apparently scholarly quotes have no effect on your thinking for I already refuted this! :eyes

    and had absolutely nothing to with your "turn the other cheek" Jewish Christian mentality.
    You clearly dont know what "turn the other cheek" means.

    You may not like it but it is true.
    Excuse me, you're the one denying truth here.

    Haha,hardly an unbiased INDEPENDANT source is it?
    Obviously you cant stand the fact that militarist rhetoric and notions were part of Christianity long before the German conversion. Do I need to get into the just war theories that appear as early as the 2nd century?

    Meant figuratively not literally.
    No not really and Frantzen explains this to great length. You do realize that Paul wrote that it was for good reason that the soldier carries a sword, that the state is ordained by God to wield the sword of justice, and that it is a Christian's duty to defend his country in times of war. Im sure you were well aware of all this were you? Oh and did you know the first Roman convert to Christianity was a soldier? Did all this somehow manage to escape your notice? Christianity was never a pacifist religion.

    Allowing oneself to be spat upon ,flogged and nailed to a tree is not an example of a martial outlook.
    LOL! You dont even get the understanding of the crucifixtion. Christ was doing battle with Satan and because of Christ's self-sacrifice, Satan and his evil forces were subdued. The crucifixtion was constantly protrayed as a spiritual battle between good and evil;and this had a profound effect on the development of chivalry. As Franzten makes perfectly clear, a knight's ultimate goal was to be like Christ and sacrifice himself for the greater good. To deny Christianity's role in chivalry's development is to deny simple facts; which you seem so willing to do.
    Last edited by Taras Bulba; Tuesday, September 28th, 2004 at 07:55 PM.

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