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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelfgar View Post
    I think if Christianity had not come to Europe, paganism would have developed into something like a Western version of Hinduism.
    Europe had many gods and beliefs. If christianity has not appeared in Europe, a lot of temples would still be around today instead of knocked down to put churches on. Some traditions would've stayed oral and not made it to book form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    It's important to note that the original Sky Father has a female counterpart Mother Earth.

    It creates a lively interaction, a dance of balance. If one denies the female element Mother Earth and puts all focus on the male (thus infertile) part, this dance comes to a halt and imbalance occurs, thriving towards a standstill.

    Christianity failed to get rid of the female part, which is now represented by the "virgin" (infertility concept) Mary. This however is not christianity but Paganism, because our Aryan minds cant deal with monotheism.
    In most religions gods come in pairs of a male and a female. Tor/Siv, Shiva/Parvati, the Ogdoad in Egyptian mythology etc. It is also worth noticing that the more interesting gods (Odin, Shiva) are described as having adrogynous qualities (note e.g. Odin's use of Seidr).

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    The Dyaus Pitr easily becomes these below through differences in regional pronunciation

    1... Zeus Pater (pater being 'father')

    2... Jupiter (Ju + pater)

    3... the romance languages name for the Christan "God" ... Deus (Latin), dieu (French), Dios (Spanish), Dio (Italian), etc are all stemming from this same lineage.

    Dy easily becomes a Z sound (such as in Zeus) and then into the J in Jupiter

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    I think we'd have a more balanced view of Reality if our religious model does contain both sides of duality so I regret that the 'Mother Earth' was basically dropped in the more male-centred civilizations.

    Even so , the sky as male and the Earth as female is more of a projection by certain cultures and religions. Seeing that things grow from the Earth as they are also born from females seems like a reasonable similarity that humans likely easily made this comparison when trying to make sense of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenrune View Post
    3... the romance languages name for the Christan "God" ... Deus (Latin), dieu (French), Dios (Spanish), Dio (Italian), etc are all stemming from this same lineage.

    Dy easily becomes a Z sound (such as in Zeus) and then into the J in Jupiter
    Just that the Germanic word "god" is not derived from deus or Zeus, it is derived from Géat, who is considered the oldest known ancestor of Odin. By the time christianity came, "god" had long before become the general word for the entirety of gods.
    This word is ethymologically unique, only Germanic languages have it (en: god, ge: Gott, da/sw/no/is: gud).
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    Another important aspect of ancient religions is that we do not know everything about them. When it comes to the old Norse religion we have the mythology as it was preserved by Christian writers (i.e. as entertaining stories) but we know nothing about the cult, how the deities were worshiped. It has also been noted (by i.a. Eliade) that what we do know concerns the masculine side of the cult and the mythology. The cults that were practiced by women were mainly oral, or did not find their way into the written sources, and seem to have been more easily forgotten.

    Thus I can perfectly understand why Savitri Devi chose to move to India and embrace the living Hindu tradition. She was the opposite of stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    Another important aspect of ancient religions is that we do not know everything about them.
    When it comes to the old Norse religion we have the mythology as it was preserved by Christian writers (i.e. as entertaining stories) but we know nothing about the cult, how the deities were worshiped.
    It has also been noted (by i.a. Eliade) that what we do know concerns the masculine side of the cult and the mythology. The cults that were practiced by women were mainly oral, or did not find their way into the written sources, and seem to have been more easily forgotten.

    Thus I can perfectly understand why Savitri Devi chose to move to India and embrace the living Hindu tradition. She was the opposite of stupid.
    True.

    Were they just intended to be perceived as entertaining stories? Clement of Alexandria offers insight on ancient German views on their sacred women who prophesy via the faculty of observation, I found it odd that he'd even bother to mention it. Not everyone went on board with Christianity with the intent of furthering it's aims. Most people who join a movement want to put forth their own ideals. At that time, it was largely conversion by coercion. It's noteworthy that the Church Fathers were familiar with Pythagorean and Platonist literature, in particular Origen, Jerome, and Augustine.

    Savitri Devi went a bit too far with her embrace, as did Schopenhauer. Results in fatalism and pessimism. Goethe and Nietzsche turned to the Greeks.

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    I can only speculate, but some probably saw the mythologies as part of their cultural heritage and sought to preserve them.

    Say what you want about Savitri, but she certainly had a point. As I wrote above, we do not know anything about the cult. If you decide to make a blot to the gods, good luck. The manual for how to do it is gone. You can look to the Greeks and Romans and try your hand at a libation or even try to burn some offerings in your back yard. But that is as far as you'll get. We do not know anything about the cult, and we do not know too much about the Roman and Greek cults either. E.g. we can only speculate about what the Eleusinian mysteries actually were. The mythologies, the philosophy and the archaeological material are all that is there.

    The only truly living Aryan traditions are to be found in India and Iran. There you find living Indo-European religion and culture, Hindu and Zoroastrian.

    It would seem to be a good idea to create some sort of institute for religious and spiritual research.... ;-)

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