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    A Defense Of Civic Nationalism

    Lets face what appears to be the truth about the world. We exist in a society where everyone has the vote and so the thoughts and feelings of people matter whatever their race is. Throughout the western world if Germanic people or White people wish to preserve their culture they are in a position where they need the help of non-White allies. This is the situation. Whites face a future minority status in The USA. So how do we deal with this?

    The strategy of the left is to remind non-White people that they are people of color and that white people are their enemies. Explicit white identity politics cannot counter this narrative because white people in the western world have indicated that they do not vote as an ethnic block based upon their white identity. The closest that they come to this is they might vote in certain regions in accordance with a right wing political agenda or a civic nationalist minded attitude. Even if younger white people are more open to voting as an ethnic block they will likely not be in a majority when they are the majority of the white demographic.

    Based on the reality of the situation white people who wish to preserve their culture and their neighborhoods are left with no choice but to pursue an agenda where they invite non-white people into the fold of sharing a national identity with the white people, a common national identity that unites them all politically.

    Within that sense of national unity there is room for Germanic people and white people to pursue distinct ethnic preservation however that would have to be something separate from their national political activism. So in this case there needs to be a separation between the personal and the public, the public would need to be civic nationalist and the personal would need to be related to loyalty to ones smaller tribe.

    The strategy of the civic nationalist is to focus more on national identity and how people of the nation are united by that identity, the importance of preserving the traditions of the culture, and so on.

    Whether people like it or not, whether it is good or not, the fact is everyone has the vote and this is the situation we are in. People who insult non-whites online and people who say degrading things to non-whites online seem to be doing the work of the leftists for them by working to make non-whites align politically with the enemies of whites.

    I am not saying all races are the same, I realize that its good for whites to avoid certain neighborhoods that are high crime neighborhoods due to demographic reasons. I am saying that online trolling of non-whites is not a good idea. I am saying that people have to relearn how to be decent people and polite and courteous to each other and show mutual respect. We are in a situation where we have to work with non-Whites to secure our genetic interests because the white race itself has demonstrated itself to be too divided and too many of the whites seem not willing to take their own side and as a result we face a multiracial future where we have to work with non-whites if we wish to have the space to preserve our unique ethnic identities.

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    A very interesting argument. I had not considered Civic Nationalism in this light before. I do agree with the point that abusing people of other races is counter productive and THIS is exactly what the elite want people to do-they rule by division and discord. This is one of the reasons why western lands were flooded with third world immigrants. The real enemy is the elite (often of our own blood) who have betrayed us.

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    If it leads to anything like what has happened with the US, I absolutely reject the idea. You can bring non-whites on board (plenty were accepted into the Wehrmacht and there were Waffen-SS divisions for Muslims), but then where do the half-caste peoples fall in? In the table talks, Hitler cautions against permitting half-castes into the Wehrmacht. Half-castes have more than one instinct and we can't know when one instinct is prevailing over the other. No one can escape his racial instinct completely, it can acts on it's own unconsciously. I believe Genesis 4:7 was originally an allusion to this before it was overwritten into the Jewish narrative. That individual will find himself in a lifelong struggle between the creative and destructive urge. If, in a moment of weakness, he should succumb to the lower instincts, he'll be a liability. And is anyone even factoring in upbringing and education? Someone who was physically beaten by an alcoholic father or lost both parents in a tragic accident or grew up with divorced parents who got into fights regularly is obviously going to be suffering from an inner imbalance. As is someone who was poorly educated in the notions of right and wrong, the knowledge of the law, or grew up with a deep fear of hellfire and eternal punishment.

    The prerequisite for who to accept into the Volk and it's movements are: healthy mind in a healthy body, racially pure, and good upbringing and education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icarus View Post
    The prerequisite for who to accept into the Volk and it's movements are: healthy mind in a healthy body, racially pure, and good upbringing and education.
    Going by this, you can scrap like 80% of today's youth from "Volk", so this shouldnt be an argument.

    You're right about half-castes or racial others, though. No point in inviting in potential trouble.
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    Civic nationalism doesn't work - just look at the U.S.A - they have a form of civic nationalism ... and we too in Europe, theoretically. It does not end ethnic strive. One of the issues with aligning oneself with foreigners - as some suggest - like siding with the Shia in our countries against the Sunni, seems highly dangerous. They may grow too strong and after a conflict they would still demand equality and the same things other migrants demand today. And these allies would be able to make such demands on the basis of having helped us, perhaps shedding their own blood in the process. Not unlike those black soldiers from the U.S. army who fought in WW1 and WW2. A lot of people would think it's only fair they get what they want too. In the end they would still be as alien to us and not onboard with our ethnic interests as all other non-natives. It's a pipedream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Going by this, you can scrap like 80% of today's youth from "Volk", so this shouldnt be an argument.

    You're right about half-castes or racial others, though. No point in inviting in potential trouble.
    Fair point, although I should have added that rescuing those people from their indoctrination was still viable. And the NSDAP program was about combating the Jewishness within oneself anyway. Only Jews remain fixed to their notions. On the other hand, the whole point of NS was to act as a magnet to draw in the best elements of the Volk. This world minority aspect seems overlooked by most people.

    Otto Wagener's memoirs have been very illuminating about the half-caste problem. Apparently the whole Democratic/State Party in Hitler's time was composed of them! I've also read reports in other memoirs about mischling such as Emil Maurice (who invented a story about Hitler going on a raving rant concerning his niece Geli, similar to Sauerbrach's story of Hitler ranting over his dog Blondi) and Erhard Milch (who dismissed the idea of saving others at the expense of one's own personal survival as un-German). Really helped to confirm the racial instinct aspect for me.

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