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    Metal Music Is Dead

    Amongst the relentless and often hyperbolic calls to pinpoint the genesis of the stale feeling of the half-century-old ‘extreme’ genre, I propose something different here and something I’m sure I’m going to be outnumbered by the number of people who will disagree with me.

    Metal defies the genre that defined it. It is much more than simply a couple of blokes standing around playing live music featuring themes of Satan worship, womanising or drug use. It is an expression of the dirtiest of subcultures, those who are truly lost amongst the groupings that befall a modern society. It is no secret that ‘the metal community’ has attracted people together purely based on a vague agreement in music they like, but at the expensive of all other interests, values or opinions.

    Today, we see a community that will oust the fringe whose ideas began it for being too extreme, controversial or offensive. For now, I feel it has betrayed what it initially was with this regressive open-armed approach to inclusivity.

    With the perpetually shifting of the Overton window, some topics that were once controversial can now be discussed on mid-morning television programs where others are now outright banned from even the thought of contemplation, let alone discussion.

    If you define the genre of metal as merely that combination of instruments earlier proposed then you needn’t worry – as this will continue eternally. The stagnant flesh that hangs off those tired bones will continue for as long as modern-day ‘rebellion’ can be depicted as doing what your parents didn’t. The rise of newer bands on the outskirts of metal – such as Greta Van Fleet -will attract grandparents and their grandchildren, missing out on the parents who chose genres other than those that contained Led Zeppelin or Black Sabbath.

    Instead, the beckoning call that I have always felt for was for those earlier years, and those are the records I always default return to, where audiences were genuinely scared at the sights and sounds they were experiencing, the freshest output being in the early 90s with Norwegian Black Metal.

    Before Ozzy Osbourne became a meme thanks to $auron Osbourne & MTV, fans of his and of his boys from Birmingham were legitimately terrified of John where the potential for something truly threatening was always present.

    Later, symbols of anarchy such as Johnny Rotten left the youth of Britain terrified that he may actually be hiding under the bed. Fights and violence were never far from a good ‘music’ show. The mystique and intrigue that surrounded even earlier bands such as Zeppelin would be destroyed through the modern way to enjoy music and it’s creators.

    An entire mythos was created around Jimmy Page, the Occult and his fascination with Crowley. Today, music journalists would be requesting his latest opinion on Brexit, Trump, or any other mindless distraction that keeps ancient and decrepit publications in circulation.


    Metal now focuses on inclusivity – that everyone should feel safe in a home that has been created for the homeless. When you’ve nowhere to go, metal fans will happily take you in. It ignores that you might not actually like anything that’s of any stern use. Blink 182 & Green Day? In this paper-thin world, those bands have has much use for tender as fans of Burzum or Witchfinder General.

    The value has been betrayed. You are more likely to find the values within other genres that have yet to face this parasitic infestation. True country and electronic music are making big gains where metal has long abandoned the interest of its brothers. This must be stopped.

    The message of true strength, true suffering and the strength to be found within the suffering have been replaced by plastic and disposable emotions for a plastic and disposable world. Where safety is the culture’s only capability, any danger must be stamped out as quick as a spark is produced.

    The myth of the binary black or white and good or bad mindset leaves little room for any real acts of rebellion where attempts to do so will face threats of the law, doxing and hurt to one’s family as the outcome. Coming back from a show with a mouth full of blood or the missing of a few teeth is as ancient as listening to the music in a mono output. Instead, the floor is flooded with ‘men’ weighing six stone ringing wet and Disney neck tattoos.

    I’ve always believed music to be a solo enjoyment and although I enjoy a live show (performer and pedestrian), nothing can get me closer to the experience of the message that being on my own in a dark room with headphones on. It is there where I now retreat to be truly terrified. To clear myself of the distraction, of the bright lights and weak drunken fools who only know a state of being an extreme extrovert to keep the distance as far as possible from their true thoughts, dreams and fears.

    Join me. Grab a Robert Johnson discography CD, smoke a cigarette with Sinatra, put a spell on Screamin’ Jay Hawkins, dance to the radio with Ian Watkins, take a soulside journey with Darkthrone. Take what you find into the real world.

    There is still time to be you.
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    I'm not sure what his point is. The definition of metal has become too broad. The ryhthm must be relatively flat - marching - and the emotion must be generally melancholy and aggressive. It can be fast, medium, slow, simple or elaborate but it must have that 'back against the wall' feeling to it.

    And it must have some melody, otherwise it stops being music!

    If a song does not sound essentially similar to this then it's not metal:


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    There's entertainment, and music created for the purpose of entertainment. Fenris of Darkthrone complained about music going plastic already 20 years ago, so good morning Mr Return of Kings that you now are up to date with the state of entertainment

    Seriously, everything that goes into wider circles, metal or not, will at some point, when the band gathered a certain size of audience, be written for the live show, with catchy refrains for the fans to growl along and solos to whirl your hair around to.

    In a band-setting you will most likely already compromise during composing a song, you want the drummer to have his part and you want the solo-guy to have his 15 seconds of fame and you want the shouter to deliver a performance able to incite the audience.

    And then there are those great bands with a dictator who creates the songs with his pawns doing what he says. These usually are the best ones, art is not a democracy^^.

    I’ve always believed music to be a solo enjoyment and although I enjoy a live show (performer and pedestrian), nothing can get me closer to the experience of the message that being on my own in a dark room with headphones on. It is there where I now retreat to be truly terrified. To clear myself of the distraction, of the bright lights and weak drunken fools who only know a state of being an extreme extrovert to keep the distance as far as possible from their true thoughts, dreams and fears.
    Since many, if not most of my favorite bands are actually not bands but only one guy going all the stuff, the possibility of life shows is very limited. There are those guys, like Angantyr, Satanic Warmaster and others who gather live musicians to go on tours (not that they could play in Germany anyway, but that's another topic), but then also the music changes in that setting, in a way becoming different in emotions and goals. And they will concentrate on songs fitting into the live setting, usually leaving out then the more introverted songs.

    So, the headphones really are the transmitter of choice, specially for Black Metal. Albums want to be listened in their entirety, not just selected songs of them. Only with headphones, in this you-and-the-music environment, can you dive into the soundscape and be guided into the emotional landscape and beauty of the music. It's not even relevant in which language the music comes, you can feel so much of it even without understanding the words. Much of the intensity gets already 'lost' with normal speakers where the sound dissolves into the room.



    Headphones, slightly over 'room volume' because this really is one to 'crawl into' - enjoy.
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    ^ I call that folky black metal. What does it have in common with this song?


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    Two years ago I never listened to new music since almost everything was crap. Then I discovered Japanese music. Some of it are Gothic metal and also kawaii metal. Kawaii means cute in Japanese. It's basically a mix between J-pop and Lolita fashion (when it comes to outfits) and metal. It was Babymetal who invented kawaii metal in 2010. One Gothic metal band from Japan I like is Yousei Teikoku (sometimes they use the German translation of their name which is Das Feenreich). They reminds me of a Japanese version of Nightwish.

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    Metal isn't dead.
    (It doesn't matter how old the song is, I won't stop liking it).

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    I’ve always believed music to be a solo enjoyment and although I enjoy a live show (performer and pedestrian), nothing can get me closer to the experience of the message that being on my own in a dark room with headphones on. It is there where I now retreat to be truly terrified. To clear myself of the distraction, of the bright lights and weak drunken fools who only know a state of being an extreme extrovert to keep the distance as far as possible from their true thoughts, dreams and fears.
    Music should be about inspiring and elevating people, about expressing the national, racial soul. What distinguishes the Aryan works from the Jew is that it "raises them above the petty cares of the moment and shows them that, after all, their individual woes are not of such great importance" (Hitler September 11, 1935 speech). In other words, it establishes a sense of truth and invokes a microcosm/macrocosm experience. The spirit feels lifted up and knowledge of realities come to life. The Christians would call this contact with the "Holy Spirit", the spirit of truth.

    "The fact is, art is not a fashion. Just as the essence and blood of our Volk does not change, so must art, too, dispose of its transient character in order to embody instead in its constantly improving creations a graphic and worthy expression of our Volk’s course of life." - Hitler, July 19, 1937 speech

    Metal music is sheer barbarism, along the lines of atonal music (which has been systematically catered to by Jewry).

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    Himmler would be very disappointed about such a statement, Herr Icarus

    It's quite interesting that music teachers and classical musicians are very open, if not enthusiastic about Metal, because they pretty much understand that Beethoven, Wagner and even Bach, if given the technology of electric guitars etc, today would play metal, while the ordinary layman confuses art with "beauty", an often rather superficial, cheesy and emotionally empty expectation like a kitchy sundown or whatever, when classic music was all about drama, pain and intensity. Metal, specially Black Metal, lifts this into whole new spheres.




    Dimmu Borgir - Progenies of the great Apocalypse - Piano version (~4:59)
    Dimmu Borgir - The Fallen Arises - Piano version
    Ein Leben ist nichts, deine Sprosse sind alles
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    For me in music .... the melodies goes ahead of everything else. Unfortunately I can not find those from some kind of metal music.

    I like old school a'la Deep Purple, Black Sabbath (clear riffs), Iron maiden (double guitars) etc.
    I like some of Metallica's songs a lot ... but those are ''lighter ones'' what comes to playings....songs like: Nothing else matters, Unforgiven, Fade to black etc.
    Not their all production.

    I also like symphony metal bands. Even some speed metal bands ... if they just don't play too heavily (low notes/low noises). Sonata Arctica is fine from Finnish bands.

    But I don't like black metal music or anything like that (gendres). If that is future of metal music...for me it can die. It only makes me feel bad and creates headaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    But I don't like black metal music or anything like that (gendres). If that is future of metal music...for me it can die. It only makes me feel bad and creates headaches.
    What!!! Defätismus!!!

    Nah,
    Because metal is such an enormous genre, there is plenty of room to dislike some categories in it.. I personally don't like hair-metal...
    ''Ginds de Waal, daar weer de IJssel, dan de Maas en ook de Rijn. Geeft ons recht om heel ons leven trots op Gelderland te zijn.''

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