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    Post Re: The Least& The Most Racist Countries in Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Paladin
    Ok Swedes are Racist. The streets of Stockholm are full of skin heads and neo-nazis.
    As usual, you don't know what you're talking about.

    The street violence were far worse and organised in Sweden than it is now in for example Eastern Europe. Fortunately we have managed to get rid of the decadent skinhead subculture and have a better strategy than the short-term goals of the military operations and bank robbings in the 1990s.

    Anyway, if you believe Nationalist struggle is about random violence, like beating up homeless people, you better keep to your Net-Nazism.

    Furthermore, I believe the Swedish Neo-Nazis (sic!) in Nationalsocialistisk Front are more serious than their counterparts in most other European countries.

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Paladin
    Most Swedes don't like immigrants. That's why they marry them in such numbers.
    Once again a pure lie with no facts backing it up. Of course, the surnames in birth and marriage statistics tell otherwise. But how would you know, earlier in this thread you falsely informed us that we only call immigrants "New Swedes".

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    Post Re: The Least& The Most Racist Countries in Europe

    Okay, enough of the women bashing. I forget how many people posted that women seem unconcerned and are race mixers. I am not in Europe and cannot speak for the women there; however, in America it is true as well. I cannot tell you how many blonde girls I have seen arm in arm with negroes. What can you expect when these girls are raised seeing actresses such as Julia Stiles on the big screen with a negro? In America, people are so concerned with "political correctness." Even some job applications no longer have an option for "white." We have become "Other." There is no reason to bash only women, though, when men are just as bad. Men here have this attitude that as long as they don't get her pregnant or marry her then it is okay. Some even go as far as to accept anyone, regardless of race, as long as that person is fighting for our preservation. There are many decent women out there who are concerned with the preservation of our people and wouldn't think of being with another race. It is unfair to lump all women together as being unconcerned and race mixers.
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    Least Racist: Sweden
    Most Racist: Britain

    Yeah. It shocked me too.


    Four out of 10 whites do not want black neighbour, poll shows


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...s+%2D+guardian

    Vikram Dodd
    Monday January 19, 2004
    The Guardian

    Four out of 10 white people do not want an Asian or black Briton as their neighbour, according to a survey published this week.
    The opinion poll found rocketing concern about immigration and asylum combined with ignorance about basic facts about the issue and growing resentment.

    The Mori survey for Prospect magazine found that 39% of those asked would prefer to live in an area only with people from the same ethnic background. Forty-one per cent of whites and 26% of ethnic minority people surveyed wanted the races to live separately. Over half of all ethnic groups wanted to live in diverse areas.

    The poll found older people were most in favour of living apart from other races. Only 40% of people over 55 disagreed with the idea, compared with 64% of 16- to 34-year-olds.

    Bobby Duffy, research director at Mori, said: "We have overestimated the progress we have made in race and immigration issues. I'm surprised about such a high finding as people are usually reticent because they worry about being judged by the interviewer, so this finding is worrying."

    The poll shows that the issue of race and immigration has risen up the list of people's concerns, and is now the third most important, ahead of crime, defence and the economy. The issue is ranked the most important by 29%, behind education on 33% and the NHS on 41%. Ten years ago the figure was below 10%.

    Mori said people had a "inflated view of the scale of the issue", with people overestimating the numbers of first generation immigrants by four times the actual amount. Britons think that first generation immigrants comprise 23% of the population, while the real figure is 6%.

    "It's a monumental shift in people's concerns," Mr Duffy said. "We've seen economic concerns decline and that seems set to continue, and a rise in concern about public services. The issue of race and immigration threatens to dwarf others."

    Almost one in five people believe immigrants and asylum seekers are responsible for a loss of community spirit, though 40% believe people working longer hours is to blame, with more than a third saying that people watching television or using the internet is the reason for a drop in community cohesion.

    The survey also exposes simmering resentments felt by a large section of those surveyed, with nearly half believing that other people are unfairly getting priority over them in public services and welfare payments. Of the 45% who believe the welfare state treats them as second class citizens, 39% blame asylum seekers and new immigrants.

    Surveys 10 years ago showed anxiety about "freeloading" by lone parents and the unemployed, but now asylum seekers are the focus of resentment. Among lower socio-economic classes the feeling they are losing out rises above 50%.

    One in five people believes immigrants should get less welfare provisions than British citizens, though there is a marked class difference. Just 12% of the top two socio-economic groups support less welfare for immigrants compared to 29% of the lowest two socio-economic groups. This is the group most likely to need welfare and most likely to read rightwing newspapers which have been accused of running a scaremongering campaign against asylum seekers and new immigrants.

    The results echo the findings of a poll last year by Mori for the commission for racial equality: one-third of white respondents said they did not mix with ethnic minority people at work, and nearly two-thirds did not meet socially.

    Nearly half those polled, 47%, thought racial prejudice had increased in 10 years, compared with 29% who believed it had lessened.

    · Mori interviewed 1,000 people by telephone across Britain in November 2003

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    Britain is also more racially integrated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeTheButcher
    Least Racist: Sweden
    Most Racist: Britain

    Yeah. It shocked me too.


    Four out of 10 whites do not want black neighbour, poll shows
    Pretty weak.

    http://www.regnum.ru/allnews/306497.html

    42% of Russians believe it's necessary to limit the Jewish influence in the government, politics, business, legal issues, system of education and show-business, 23% did not give any reply and 28% agreed that it'd be nice to restore the Jewish Pale (thus 70% openly express anti-Jewish feelings, while many of whose who didn't give any reply aren't great fans of Jews I bet).

    More than 60% of Russians support such measures (a new Pale) against natives of Caucasus (doesn't mena that other 40% like Chechens).

    50% are ready to vote to limit rights of residence for Asians (doesn't mean that other 50% are in favor of Asian immigration).

    50% of Russians are confident that "national minorities have too much influence in the country".

    25% of respondents said that it is necessary to limit rights of residents for all ethnicities but Russians (even, for example, Ukrainians).

    In Moscow situation is much more "dangerous" according to sociologists.

    2/3 of Moscovites are hostile to (im)migrants.
    51% of Moscovites mention in everyday communications that "there are too many (im)migrants in Moscow"
    48% of Moscovites freely talk about Caucasian mafia
    42% - talk about ethnoc crime gangs
    35% - talk about "ethnic" Moscow districts (ghettos)
    16% belive that there will be anti-Caucasian pogroms in Russia soon

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    Based on the longest racist history I'd have to go with America.

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    "Mori said people had a "inflated view of the scale of the issue", with people overestimating the numbers of first generation immigrants by four times the actual amount. Britons think that first generation immigrants comprise 23% of the population, while the real figure is 6%."

    Sadly, the public perception of the percentage of first generation immigrants is probably closer to the real situation than the official estimate. Don't want to cause a panic until it's too late for native Britons to save themselves.

    The US, though not a Nordish nation in absolute numbers, is by far the most racially aware nation since we've experienced the social problems that come with non-Whites, especially Blacks and Mestizos. We know how they are.

    Despite their dislike of Americans, Europeans seem to want to be like the US -- even so far as to create their very own race problem out of whole cloth.

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    Greeks and Belgians are the most racist in the EU: poll

    Greeks and Belgians are the most racist in the EU: poll

    21 March 2001
    VIENNA, March 21 (AFP) - Greeks and Belgians are the most racially intolerant people in the EU, the Union's racism watchdog said Wednesday.

    Scandinavians meanwhile come out as the most easy-going and accepting Europeans when it comes to minorities, according to the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC).

    Overall the poll commissioned by the Vienna-based EUMC showed attitudes to minorities were improving, the group said, although a total of 14 percent of nationals in the 15-member bloc were still deemed intolerant.

    In a league table of the EU's 15 countries, 27 percent of Greeks were rated as intolerant, followed by 25 percent of Belgians, 20 percent of Danes and 15 percent of Britons.

    At the other end of the scale 33 percent of Swedes and Danes, 32 percent of Finns and 31 percent of Dutch people were "actively tolerant."

    The EUMC team defined intolerance as the display of "strongly negative attitudes towards minority groups" when questioned on issues like foreigners in schools, in the workforce, and immigration generally.

    "A small, but relevant minority of Europeans feel personally disturbed by the existence of minority and migrant groups," said EUMC head Beate Winkler.

    "They fear minorities are threatening social peace and welfare. People are worried about unemployment, a loss of social welfare," she added.

    The survey found that the attitude of the majority, or 64 percent of the 16,000 people asked, was deemed "ambivalent" or "passively tolerant".

    And with many EU citizens not actively welcoming foreigners, Winkler warned that the poll's results did not allow room for complacency.

    Members of the ambivalent crowd, the report states, are the ones who are particularly susceptible to the attitudes of politicians on migration, asylum and integration.

    "This group must be considered as the group which reacts most to political leadership," Winkler said, impressing upon leaders the need to respond rationally to immigration issues at a time when the subject can stir up intense emotion.


    http://www.eubusiness.com/imported/2001/03/41752

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    Britain: not the most racist country in Europe

    Britain: not the most racist country in Europe

    The details of a new report into racism disprove the
    idea that the UK has the worst record for treating
    asylum seekers and refugees, writes the
    Guardian's home affairs correspondent, Alan Travis.

    Tuesday April 3, 2001

    The idea that Britain is the most racist country in Europe when it comes to the treatment of asylum seekers and refugees is not only wide of the mark but also a gross misrepresentation of the report published today which has seemingly given further credence to the claim.

    The Council of Europe's commission on racism and intolerance is right to highlight the persistent and acute problems in the treatment and media image of asylum seekers. This was especially true as its researchers based their findings on a visit in May 2000, immediately after the most virulent local election campaign that Britain had seen for nearly 20 years.

    But it is completely wrong to claim that the report by the 43-nation human rights organisation in some way brands Britain as the "most racist country in Europe". In fact the commission published five separate reports yesterday on five different countries, including Austria, Macedonia and Albania.

    The commission reserved its harshest words for Austria, where it says that existing anti-racism laws fail to protect black people, the use of racist propaganda in politics is widespread and the police attitudes are especially worrying.

    Britain's record cannot possibly be compared with those of Macedonia and Albania, both of which have been the scene of violent campaigns against different minority ethnic groups, and which regularly lead to asylum seekers fleeing to the rest of Europe, including the UK.

    The other country the commission looked at is Denmark, which is perhaps more comparable to Britain. But even in this country the Strasbourg researchers said that the prevailing political culture was of "deep concern", probably even more so than Britain.

    This week's report did not cover France and Germany but, by nearly every measure, Britain could not be said to be more racist than either country. Indeed, its most trenchant criticisms of the treatment of asylum seekers in Britain probably apply equally to Germany, as the British system is modelled on what happens in Germany.

    The reasons for deep concern about the treatment of asylum seekers in Britain include fears about their detention and the powers of immigration officers. However, on a European scale Britain is by no means the worst country.

    In fact, the Strasbourg report goes on to praise Britain for the progress it has made in the past two years in fighting institutional racism and placing a positive duty on public bodies to promote racial equality in the wake of the murder of black teenager, Stephen Lawrence.

    Britain is not, despite what you may have heard, the most racist country in Europe.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/Refugees_i...467903,00.html

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    I don't think, except for a few in New Labour, that most Europeans want a Europe like US. If it only serves the interests of the lobby groups, the US adminstration will do almost anything. Maybe based on other reasons than the real ones the white worker class masses of USA unconsciously support the steps taken by their politicians that in Europe, except maybe for some modern British Labourites and a few new EU countries in Eastern Europe, are controversial and seen as highly susceptible and essentially dishonest. It's not possible to just compare the New World with the old one without taking history into account. America is a federation, and not a nation state. The internationalist view is more American than European (at least continental).

    Australia and Canada are largely made up of people from the British Isles and the rest are Europids from Europe and the Middle East. It was quite recently in Australian history that East Asians began emigrating to Australia. Australia didn't allow non-white immigrants when it had the White Australia Policy. Modern Australians have to deal with an establishment that planned an "Asian destiny". They don't have a significant number of sub-Saharan Africans in Australia. South Africa is the worst example of the New World countries with mostly whites and blacks, and some that don't fit either category. But they have at least more blacks than USA. Do you think that Australia and Canada, and not to forget New Zealand, where the social democratic Labour party dominate political life, are safer and have probably less ethnic problems, or are USA and South Africa? I used to think why USA doesn't have a welfare system like in most of Western Europe or even like Canada. There are many more non-Hispanic whites than whites in USA who live in poverty. Europeans may see the poor as their own but that will change when more and more believe that there are those who just use the system. A social welfare system will not work when large groups will try to trick it.

    It's not only about the French government and the people, the rest of Europe is actually about the same in its stance towards USA. It's more that they don't have the power to speak up than disagreeing. USA wanted to push in Turkey in the EU from the Danish EU presidency in year 200.
    Turkey entry 'would destroy EU': http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2420697.stm

    I think that Austria and the Czech Rep. are the most racist European countries. Both are what you would call Nordish nations. The French are probably more culturally xenophobic rather than racist.

    There's a great article from the magazine Prospect by David Goodhart on social problems and race. I can only agree that the welfare system goes around as long as the society is relatively homogenous and that the native worker class population are respected and not discriminated against. He goes more towards a politically correct stance in the second part of the article where he reach a conclusion. It's still a moderately enough and thought provoking article that I pass on friends and family who have not yet woken up. It's intelligently written and not full of slurs like many other similar articles. That is the beauty if it, many will probably take in a lot of it when the arguments are based on a real presentation of the facts. Britain has even "health tourists" who come just to seek free NHS treatment.

    http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthre...=8057#post8057

    "It was the Conservative politician David Willetts who drew my attention to the "progressive dilemma". Speaking at a roundtable on welfare reform, he said: "The basis on which you can extract large sums of money in tax and pay it out in benefits is that most people think the recipients are people like themselves, facing difficulties that they themselves could face. If values become more diverse, if lifestyles become more differentiated, then it becomes more difficult to sustain the legitimacy of a universal risk-pooling welfare state. People ask: 'Why should I pay for them when they are doing things that I wouldn't do?' This is America versus Sweden. You can have a Swedish welfare state provided that you are a homogeneous society with intensely shared values. In the United States you have a very diverse, individualistic society where people feel fewer obligations to fellow citizens. Progressives want diversity, but they thereby undermine part of the moral consensus on which a large welfare state rests.""

    The Swedish welfare system (or as it was historically called in Sweden, Folkhemmet) worked quite well for Sweden up to the 1970's, when the country was looked up to around the world, and during that period immigrants were still seen as a novelty and not a burden who are on a free ride. As you can read in the Goodhart's article Denmark took a path that first and foremost respect the indigenous people of the country. Folkhemmet in Sweden was actually created at a time when anthropology studies were a hot topic and the Social Democrats of Sweden gave their support for it. After an initiative by the state the first racial institute of its kind in the world were created. It was called Rasbiologiska Institutet (Statens institut för rasbiologi) with its chief Herman Lunborg in Uppsala University (located in a for Swedish standards medium-sized city north of the capital Stockholm).

    Like I've mentioned previously though, it's in mainly the Lutheran Protestant and numerically more Nordid countries of Europe where a significant percentage of the population actively suppport immigratation from racially and culturally alien stock, even if it comes from economic migrants, asylum seekers who don't give anything in return. Now, it's a different issue that most immigrants in these northern countries are from traditional cultures and they are bound to have culture clashes with the societies that respect women rights to a greater degree, and have laws that don't let parents punish their children and so forth. It's not only about not feeling welcome, they themselves, not only racially but also very much the culturally alien immigrants, won't feel very comfortable.




    Quote Originally Posted by Louky
    Sadly, the public perception of the percentage of first generation immigrants is probably closer to the real situation than the official estimate. Don't want to cause a panic until it's too late for native Britons to save themselves.

    The US, though not a Nordish nation in absolute numbers, is by far the most racially aware nation since we've experienced the social problems that come with non-Whites, especially Blacks and Mestizos. We know how they are.

    Despite their dislike of Americans, Europeans seem to want to be like the US -- even so far as to create their very own race problem out of whole cloth.

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