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    Re: Ethnic Origin of Americans and Ancestry Groups in the United States

    Just 10 years ago you could drive through Georgia go to a Mcdonalds and find only whites working there. Now it's all Mexicans...you swear you were in Taco Bell instead.

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    Re: Ethnic Origin of Americans and Ancestry Groups in the United States

    Just 10 years ago you could drive through Georgia go to a Mcdonalds and find only whites working there. Now it's all Mexicans...you swear you were in Taco Bell instead.
    Down here I haven't seen any Mexicans working at McDonald. The same goes for all the other fast-food restaurants. Mostly local teenagers. Not to say it cannot change soon........Even in the fields around here..........none. Unless one goes to "Vidalia Sweet Onion" counties.

    But then, this problem is not just over here. Here are the Negro and the Latinos, Germany has the Turks and the Africans. In many areas it no longer is Germany but Turkey. Whether one rides in the Strassenbahn or goes to the parks. The same goes for the blacks, everywhere. At least this is what I seen when I went back for a visit a year ago.

    Going back to Jäger's question: Georgia is a wonderful place to visit. And there are many places in the South and the Midwest which can claim the same. Yes, I am partial to certain regions.....
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    Re: Ethnic Origin of Americans and Ancestry Groups in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Georgia
    Down here I haven't seen any Mexicans working at McDonald. The same goes for all the other fast-food restaurants. Mostly local teenagers. Not to say it cannot change soon........Even in the fields around here..........none. Unless one goes to "Vidalia Sweet Onion" counties.

    But then, this problem is not just over here. Here are the Negro and the Latinos, Germany has the Turks and the Africans. In many areas it no longer is Germany but the Tuerkei. Whether one rides in the Strassenbahn or goes to the parks. The same goes for the blacks, everywhere. At least this is what I seen when I went back for a visit a year ago.
    Ok so you still can. Ten years ago was the last time I was in Georgia.
    Well just enjoy life the way you like it for as long as you can. The world is changing and no one can stop it.

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    Re: Ethnic Origin of Americans and Ancestry Groups in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Appalachian View Post
    In regards to this map showing persons claiming "Irish Ancestry", you'll notice that they are also most heavily concentrated in Southern Appalachia. It is becoming increasingly clear that the vast majority of these people, while they almost certainly have some green Irish ancestry, are also predominantly of Scots-Irish stock. Evidence has shown that these Scots-Irish immigrants to the Southland traditionally identified themselves as "Arsh" (our way of saying "Irish") in reference to their place of origin, Northern Ireland, and not necessarily to any sort of Gaelic inheritance. After all, if the green Irish were so heavily concentrated in this area, how would one explain the fact that this area of concentration roughly coincides with the "Bible Belt," America's hotbed of Protestant fervor?
    As an Englishman of largely Gaelic paternal stock, I couldn't resist sharing this little gem!
    It is interesting also that the tribalism of the Native Americans in the eastern part of North America was quite similar in many respects to that of Gaeldom, and maintained its independence for about as long (the Ulster Scottish or Scotch-Irish immigrants who settled the territory west of the Appalachians had practiced the techniques of fortifying their farms against hostile tribes during their tenure as settlers in Northern Ireland around 1600). Indications of early contact between the North American Indians and the IndoEuropeans are further suggested by the physical anthropology of the former. Their pre—Columbian physical remains have even been described as being less Oriental and more relatively European the more easterly their provenance (Fell, Bronze Age America, 84—97). Rousseau’s admiration of the "noble savage," seen in this light, may well be a kind of subconscious invective against Europe’s own loss of innocence, as the Native Americans themselves may well have been more closely related (and not just in spirit) than previously realized to Europe’s own primordial Indo-European self.
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    Re: Ethnic Origin of Americans and Ancestry Groups in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Georgia View Post
    Down here I haven't seen any Mexicans working at McDonald. The same goes for all the other fast-food restaurants. Mostly local teenagers...
    It sounds like you live in Northern Georgia. Many of Georgia's counties north of Atlanta are still predominately White, particularly those in the southern reaches of the Appalachain Mountains.

    Trust me on this, negroes hate the mountains!

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    Re: Ethnic Origin of Americans and Ancestry Groups in the United States

    particularly those in the southern reaches of the Appalachain Mountains.
    Visited the beautiful hills of eastern Kentucky and honestly never saw a black the whole time I was there.

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    Re: Ethnic Origin of Americans and Ancestry Groups in the United States

    Here in South Georgia you will find that a large part of the people have Scottish and Irish ancestry. German and English ancestry is also quite common, though not as much as the Scottish and Irish. It is not uncommon that people have a little bit of all the above."

    From what I observe from my research into the ancestry my great-grandfather from Grayson county, in southwest Virginia you'll essentially see a homogeneous mix of all of the above with almost completely unified in culture. Sort of like the Boers of South Africa. Ancestral records for the families there and across the South is very impressive compared with other parts of the States. So they know where their families came from and are proud of that heritage but the overwhelming majority came in as original settlers whose identity is tied to the land that they farmed together for two and a half centuries and their history there.

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    Re: Ethnic Origin of Americans and Ancestry Groups in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Appalachian View Post
    That's an interesting question, and one I hadn't really thought of before. I'm not too knowledgeable on the Mormons, but didn't most of the early Mormon families migrate west from rural New York and other parts of New England? If so, at that early age it would seem to indicate that they were of predominantly English stock.

    Thanks for the link, BTW.
    Im from Georgia but live in Idaho today. Idaho is a state with a large Mormon population. It's my understanding that after the initial migration to Salt Lake of Mormons from Nauvoo, Illinois, there was a later, second wave of Mormons who traveled from England to join their mormon brethren in Salt Lake. You may hear stories of Mormons crossing the country with push carts, these were the English immigrants.

    Also, the Scots-Irish of the American South have maintained their racial identity due to the fact that they immigrated to, and throughout, the United States as a family unit rather than individuals. It has only been in the last 25-30 years that outsiders have made their way into the Southern States in the significant numbers we see today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    Im from Georgia but live in Idaho today. Idaho is a state with a large Mormon population. It's my understanding that after the initial migration to Salt Lake of Mormons from Nauvoo, Illinois, there was a later, second wave of Mormons who traveled from England to join their mormon brethren in Salt Lake. You may hear stories of Mormons crossing the country with push carts, these were the English immigrants.

    Also, the Scots-Irish of the American South have maintained their racial identity due to the fact that they immigrated to, and throughout, the United States as a family unit rather than individuals. It has only been in the last 25-30 years that outsiders have made their way into the Southern States in the significant numbers we see today.
    I'm descended from Missouri Mormons who left England for New England, but who moved to the Jello Belt near Utah Mormons albeit as one with Yankee ancestors raised in the Anglo-Methodist-Nazarene ecumenical continuum of Wesleyan Holiness, so there is a bit of an overlap and I'm absolutely certain to form part of the genetic cluster found by Ancestry.com to be associated with New England, Michigan and Utah--with the equivalent of Sidney Rigdon's Disciples of Christ infusion to the LDS movement from my Southern side, or at least the Evangelical United Brethren may've been influential from another POV. Being an Old and New Anglo living now near Missouri, I'm happy to fit the bill of average American White or Utah European as much as I do British genetic population profile, on places like Gedmatch. I find value in the fecund blood of Mormons, both English and Danish, even if I don't adhere to the ideology. In some ways, I'm a "non-Mormon Mormon".

    Scots-Irish are rather blended with Palatines, but both are lowest in my family tree for Anglo descent, very likely because they are the most hostile to English folk and the chip on each one of their shoulders makes for a supremely unhappy combination. I acknowledge my Scottish and German ancestry without romanticising it, apart from guilty pleasures in Scottish music and German cuisine, but their animus is toxic for me whenever it comes to identitarianism. I can feel open and interested in them, but they seem to hate me no matter what. I just don't care anymore to be on the receiving end and will no longer entertain notions of congeniality, no matter what concessions are afforded them. It's funny how they play victim when called out for their crap, but there are at least two sides to every story and I'm as entitled to mine as they are theirs.

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