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    Who Were the Ten Greatest Germanic People?

    Arminius, Widukind, Theoderich, Ariovist, Charlemagne, William the Conqueror, Teutobod, Boiorix, Fritigern, Genseric, Alarich, Chlodwig, Marbod, Odoaker, Charles Martel, Theoderich I.?

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    10 great Germans

    In alphabetical order:

    Arminius - (German: Hermann; 18/17 BC – AD 21) was a Germanic Cherusci prince and Roman military officer. Born a prince of the Cherusci tribe, Arminius was made a hostage of the Roman Empire as a child. Lured three Legions into a trap where the Roman soldiers were slaughtered. Not killed in a battle but slaughtered in a cowardice ambush, by a false Roman, a traitor to his own people.


    Blücher – beat Napoleon at Waterloo. Gebhard Leberecht von Blücher was a PrussianGeneralfeldmarschall (field marshal). He earned his greatest recognition after leading his army against Napoleon I at the Battle of the Nations at Leipzig in 1813 and the Battle of Waterloo in 1815.


    Bismark - for founding Germany and laying the foundation for a liberal social welfare state, despite being an ultra-conservative imperialist.


    Frederick the Great - Frederick II (24 January 1712 – 17 August 1786) was King of Prussia from 1740 until 1786, the longest reign of any Hohenzollern king. His most significant accomplishments during his reign included his military victories, his reorganization of Prussian armies, his patronage of the arts and the Enlightenment, and his final success against great odds in the Seven Years' War. Frederick was the last Hohenzollern monarch titled King in Prussia and declared himself "King of Prussia" after achieving sovereignty over most historically Prussian lands in 1772. Prussia had greatly increased its territories and became a leading military power in Europe under his rule. He became known as Frederick the Great (Friedrich der Große), and was nicknamed Der Alte Fritz ("The Old Fritz") by the Prussian people, and eventually the rest of Germany.


    Erich Hartmann – Erich Alfred Hartmann (19 April 1922 – 20 September 1993), nicknamed "Bubi" ("The Kid") by his German comrades and the "Black Devil" by his Soviet adversaries, was a German fighter pilot during World War II and the most successful fighter ace in the history of aerial warfare. He flew 1,404 combat missions and participated in aerial combat on 825 separate occasions. He was credited with shooting down 352 Allied aircraft—345 Soviet and 7 American—while serving with the Luftwaffe. During the course of his career, Hartmann was forced to crash-land his fighter 14 times due to damage received from parts of enemy aircraft he had just shot down or mechanical failure. He was never shot down or forced to land due to enemy fire.

    Prisoner of war

    After his capture, the U.S. Army handed Hartmann, his pilots, and ground crew over to the Soviet Union on 14 May, where he was imprisoned in accordance with the Yalta Agreements, which stated that airmen and soldiers fighting Soviet forces had to surrender directly to them. Hartmann and his unit were led by the Americans to a large open-air compound to await the transfer. The number of prisoners grew to 50,000. Living conditions deteriorated, and some American guards turned a blind eye to escapes. In some cases they assisted by providing food and maps. Hartmann embarked on a prisoner train eastward. Travelling via Vienna, Budapest, across the Carpathian Mountains into Ukraine, Kiev, Moscow and finally Kirov. Initially, the Soviets tried to convince Hartmann to cooperate with them. He was asked to spy on fellow officers and become a stukatch, or "stool pigeon". He refused and was given 10 days' solitary confinement in a four-by-nine-by-six-foot chamber. He slept on a concrete floor and was given only bread and water. On another occasion, the Soviets threatened to kidnap and murder his wife (the death of his son was kept from Hartmann). During similar interrogations about his knowledge of the Me 262, Hartmann was struck by a Soviet officer using a cane, prompting Hartmann to slam his chair down on the head of the assailant, knocking him out. Expecting to be shot, he was transferred back to the small bunker.

    Hartmann, not ashamed of his war service, opted to go on a hunger strike and starve rather than fold to "Soviet will", as he called it. The Soviets allowed the hunger strike to go on for four days before force-feeding him. More subtle efforts by the Soviet authorities to convert Hartmann to communism also failed. He was offered a post in the East German Air Force, which he refused.

    War crimes charges

    During his captivity Hartmann was first arrested on 24 December 1949, and three days later, he was sentenced to 20 years in prison. In June 1951 he was sentenced as an alleged member of an anti-Soviet group. After continuous failed attempts by the Soviets to break him, Hartmann was charged with war crimes, specifically the "deliberate shooting of 780 Soviet civilians" in the village of Briansk, attacking a "bread factory" on 23 May 1943, and destroying 345 "expensive" Soviet aircraft. He refused to confess to these charges and conducted his own defence, which the presiding judge denounced as a "waste of time".Sentenced to 25 years of hard labor, he refused to work. He was eventually put into solitary confinement, which enraged his fellow prisoners. They began a revolt, overpowered the guards, and freed him. He made a complaint to the Kommandant's office, asking for a representative from Moscow and an international inspection, as well as a tribunal, to acquit him of his unlawful conviction. This was refused, and he was transferred to a camp in Novocherkassk, where he spent five more months in solitary confinement. Eventually he was granted a tribunal, but it upheld his original sentence. He was subsequently sent to another camp, this time at Diaterka in the Ural Mountains. In 1955, Hartmann's mother wrote to the new West German Chancellor, Konrad Adenauer, to whom she appealed to secure his freedom. A trade agreement between West Germany and the Soviet Union was reached, and Hartmann was released along with 16,000 German military personnel as one of the last Heimkehrer. After spending 10 and a half years in Soviet POW camps, he was among the last batch of prisoners to be turned over. He refused a celebration for his arrival until all German prisoners were released by the Soviets, which happened later that year. Returning to West Germany, he was reunited with his wife Ursula, to whom he had written every day of the war.
    In January 1997, the government of the Russian Federation, acting as the legal successor to the Soviet Union, exonerated Hartmann by admitting that his conviction for war crimes was unlawful. Wikipedia

    Hitler Adolf - 20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945 was a Pan-German revolutionary leader who wanted to retrieve the country from the 'jews' and 'socialism' and restore Germany to its pre 1914 borders.

    Luther Martin
    - Church Reformer (1483–1546)

    Spengler Oswald
    – 20 th century philosopher - Oswald Arnold Gottfried Spengler (29 May 1880 – 8 May 1936) was a German historian and philosopher of history whose interests included mathematics, science, and art. He is best known for his book The Decline of the West (Der Untergang des Abendlandes), published in 1918 and 1922, covering all of world history. Spengler's model of history postulates that any culture is a superorganismwith a limited and predictable lifespan.

    Teutobod a King of the Teutons, who together with the Cimbri invaded the Roman Republic in the Cimbrian War, winning a spectacular victory at the Battle of Arausio in 105 BC. He was captured at the Battle of Aquae Sextiae in 102 BC.

    Widukind, chief of the Saxons. Widukind, also known as Widuking or Wittekind, was a leader of the Saxons and the chief opponent of the Frankish king Charlemagne during the Saxon Wars from 777 to 785. Charlemagne ultimately prevailed, organized Saxony as a Frankish province, massacred thousands of Saxon nobles, and ordered conversions of the pagan Saxons to Roman Catholicism. In later times, Widukind became a symbol of Saxon independence and a figure of legend.

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    The ten greatest Nordic people in my book:

    Obligatory picks - Arminius, Charlemagne, Martin Luther, Frederick the Great, Adolf Hitler

    Goethe - The founder of German culture (culture in the highest sense, not as it is used by everyday life), forerunner of Darwin. Arguably the best biography on him comes from Karl Vietor's Goethe the Poet. His Prometheus and the boundless Faust illustrates the creed of the true heathen (pure monist). Notably, his appearance caused a split between Jews, with Mendelssohn and Varnhagen recognizing his greatness while Heinrich Heine was almost solely responsible for turning his fellow Germans against him.

    Dr. Adam Weishaupt - Founder of the greatest intellectual order (Perfectibilists) in German history. A true servant of Jesus Christ and reformer of the Christian religion, he may have prompted Thomas Jefferson to attempt his purification of the gospels. Like Origen, he adhered to reincarnation. He had made the idea of man's continued existence the basis of his system's philosophy and education. His order was conceived prematurely. When his order is merged with a practical fighting force, it will undoubtedly produce the strongest revolutionary system in modern times.

    Hans-Ulrich Rudel - Raw heroism. Is it any wonder Hitler sought to make him his successor and bring him into his inner circle? He was summoned before Hitler's generals to receive a reward specifically made for him. This was in spite of all the disrepute the Luftwaffe had brought onto the German military. At that time, Hitler's inner circle was critical of Goering. He was also the son of a Lutheran and deeply religious. He indicted the Soviets as being thoroughly anti-Christian. Rudel couldn't stand the idea of being grounded, wanted to carry out many more missions in his Stuka at the risk of his own life. He could intimidate Allied and Soviet forces alike with his reputation, even when captured. He was one of the first to publicly challenge the Holocaust.

    Copernicus - This is not intended to claim Copernicus as a German. He could have been half-Polish, half-German for all I care. What's certain is that he was of German character. He was a pioneer of the future. Dismantled the Church's foundation. Turned man's gaze heavenward once more...

    Wernher von Braun - Pioneer of the future. His V2 rocket paved the way for space exploration, the Germans beat the Russians and Americans to it.

    Honorable mentions: Galileo, Kepler, Hörbiger, Haeckel, Wagner, Schopenhauer, Beethoven, Schiller, Herder, Winckelmann, Nietzsche

    Luther and Copernicus' revolutions have been misunderstood, a revolution is meant to be continually renewed. The highly cultivated Goethe, Schiller, and Herder each found value in Rousseau's writings, which is proof that he had reasonable ideas, not anarchist. Schiller was probably the foremost interpreter of Plato. The British could never produce a Beethoven, but he unfortunately introduced chaos into the musical sphere, as noted in the comments of Goethe and Zelter. Schopenhauer demonstrates incomparable lucid clarity and full-fledged humanism, but was paralyzed by his pessimism and inclination to Indian thinking. Nietzsche was the first to call for a return to European heroism via pre-Socratic Hellenism, who had emancipated himself from Jewish-Christian thinking (despite his apparent philo-Semitism), but his contribution was largely negative and critical. Haeckel identified his attack on all morality as a biological "sin", for which he went insane.

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    I don't think I could narrow it down to only ten, but I made a long list of nominees for consideration. I mostly excluded double entries, but some may have made it in.

    Charles Martel, Wilhelm Bjerknes (1862-1951), Gustav I Vasa, King of Sweden, Gustav II Vasa, King of Sweden, Alfred Nobel, Ulrika Eleonora of Denmark, Queen of Sweden, Tycho Brahe, Hans Christian Andersen, Søren Kierkegaard, Hans Christian Ørsted, Knut/Canute the Great, King of Denmark, Norway, England and part of Sweden, Margaret I, Queen of Denmark, Norway and Sweden, Harald Bluetooth, King of Denmark and Norway, Harald Halfdansson "Fairhair/Finehair", King of Norway, Otto I, Holy Roman Emperor, Haakon Sigurdsson, Jarl of Lade, Harald Hardrada, King of Norway, Skjegge Asbjørnson, "Jernskjegge or Iron Skjegge", political opponent of Christianization and pagan martyr, Immanuel Kant, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Carl Jung, Johannes Gutenberg, William Shakespeare (his mother's family the Ardens were of traceable Anglo-Saxon extraction), Charles Darwin, Isaac Newton, Antonie van Leeuwenhoek, Thomas Aquinas (Italian but of Lombard descent), J. R. R. Tolkien, Emperor Frederick Barbarossa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icarus View Post
    Honorable mentions: Galileo....

    Galileo would have been a great German except for the fact that he was Italian ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenrune View Post
    Galileo would have been a great German except for the fact that he was Italian ;-)
    Thanks for pointing out my mistake. Sometimes I get carried away with upholding the Copernicans. By no means did I intend for cultural appropriation. The English language has only one word for deutsch/germanisch (Germanic) and Technik/technologie (technology), which leads to the erroneous belief that the Germans have tried to lay a claim to great men and inventions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigrun Kara View Post
    I don't think I could narrow it down to only ten, but I made a long list of nominees for consideration. I mostly excluded double entries, but some may have made it in.

    Charles Martel, Wilhelm Bjerknes (1862-1951), Gustav I Vasa, King of Sweden, Gustav II Vasa, King of Sweden, Alfred Nobel, Ulrika Eleonora of Denmark, Queen of Sweden, Tycho Brahe, Hans Christian Andersen, Søren Kierkegaard, Hans Christian Ørsted, Knut/Canute the Great, King of Denmark, Norway, England and part of Sweden, Margaret I, Queen of Denmark, Norway and Sweden, Harald Bluetooth, King of Denmark and Norway, Harald Halfdansson "Fairhair/Finehair", King of Norway, Otto I, Holy Roman Emperor, Haakon Sigurdsson, Jarl of Lade, Harald Hardrada, King of Norway, Skjegge Asbjørnson, "Jernskjegge or Iron Skjegge", political opponent of Christianization and pagan martyr, Immanuel Kant, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Carl Jung, Johannes Gutenberg, William Shakespeare (his mother's family the Ardens were of traceable Anglo-Saxon extraction), Charles Darwin, Isaac Newton, Antonie van Leeuwenhoek, Thomas Aquinas (Italian but of Lombard descent), J. R. R. Tolkien, Emperor Frederick Barbarossa
    You know we have city called Vasa (Vaasa in Finnish) in Ostrobothnia (here west coast of Finland)? Named via royal house of Vasa.

    How about king Gustav II Adolf (''Lion of the North'')?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icarus View Post
    Thanks for pointing out my mistake. Sometimes I get carried away with upholding the Copernicans. By no means did I intend for cultural appropriation. The English language has only one word for deutsch/germanisch (Germanic) and Technik/technologie (technology), which leads to the erroneous belief that the Germans have tried to lay a claim to great men and inventions.

    It's fine .. just pointing that put as a little fun jab :-D



    Maybe fill him in with William (Wlihelm) Helschel .... great astronomer born in Hanover but went to England .

    Discovered the new planet Uranus ... built huge telescopes (for the time)!


    His sister Caroline discovered many comets ... his son John also went into astronomy and discovered many things in the southern hemisphere.

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    Ok ... at this moment I can't list a full ten but just wish to list one ... for the ladies out there!



    Bertha Benz ... first person to drive a long distance in an automobile!

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    https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/mer...c/bertha-benz/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenrune View Post
    Galileo would have been a great German except for the fact that he was Italian ;-)
    Some Italians especially in Northern Italy are Germanic though.

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