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    There are good reasons to be part of a group as a man when going out. If you're not part of a group your attractiveness instantly plummets. Women analyse social dynamics, they determine a man's worth as a potential partner by what his standing in a group of men is and then they go after the "best" man in the pack. Women don't equate loners with high social status, resources or success.
    You're just one more antisocial element to them, a nobody.
    Then there must be something faulty with the perceptions of these women.
    See: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...miserable.html

    Smart people may be far happier with their own company than meeting friends.A new study has found that for intelligent people, the more frequently they socialise with friends, the less satisfied they are with life.The findings come from two evolutionary psychologists who challenge the modern view that the more social contact we have the happier we will likely be.

    From my 6 decades of living on this planet I have observed that packs of men and women on the prowl in the dens of iniquity of our urban towns and cities are often in various states of inebriation and have a great deal of trouble ascertaining what day it is never mind entering into complex analyses of 'group dynamics', psychological profiling and calculating the pecking order of men and women in their 'pack'. Usually the most 'sociable' people tend to be the least intelligent, easily led and unsure of their own identity. This is to be seen in the fanatical support that (usually) men have for their favourite football team. This also translates into the lower end of political activism; groups such as the EDL and 'Tommy Tiny Timmy Robinson's' Flying Circus. An old former colleague of mine, a Science graduate once revealed a great truth to me. He said that there are 3 kinds of people in this world-those who are interested in people (socialisers, social media users, watchers of TV soaps etc), the least intelligent, people who are interested in facts/events and then those who are interested in concepts and theories-the most intelligent. The types of females who go around in packs, getting intoxicated, frequenters of nightclubs etc are the lowest kind of female and naturally they will gravitate to their male equivalent and reproduce the same kind of inferior offspring. England is full of them! I would counsel any young man, any THINKING young man to maintain his distance from such types of women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Then there must be something faulty with the perceptions of these women.
    See: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...miserable.html
    For the most part women are terrible judges of character and bad selectors of a mate. That's why daughters were not in control of their own sexuality in traditional societies and ours is a wreck. And that's why women support the worst possible politicians after being manipulated by them while we men look on in complete consternation. But women are not wrong in this case. Intelligence itself means very little. It's not something one receives rewards for in life. And understandably so. Why should women value intelligence? Intelligence doesn't pay bills and it offers little protection. Cavemen will get the girl every single time, the loner will remain alone, whether he's intelligent or an undesirable.

    Intelligence is something you can impress other intelligent men with, but not women in a romantic context.

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    I have observed that packs of men and women on the prowl in the dens of iniquity of our urban towns and cities are often in various states of inebriation and have a great deal of trouble ascertaining what day it is never mind entering into complex analyses of 'group dynamics'.
    Even the fools instinctually know who leaders and followers are when being dropped into a new social situation - it's not a complex analysis, thinking is not required. A gorilla could do this. A gorilla does do this!

    Quote Originally Posted by W.K.
    An old former colleague of mine, a Science graduate once revealed a great truth to me. He said that there are 3 kinds of people in this world-those who are interested in people (socialisers, social media users, watchers of TV soaps etc), the least intelligent, people who are interested in facts/events and then those who are interested in concepts and theories-the most intelligent.
    I can't agree with that. The kind of man who believe such things tend to be socially handicapped and hence they don't see a need for taking an interest in others. Or maybe he just read that somewhere, because this is a well-known quote. There's a lot to be learned from watching other people and what they do, more valuable, useful information to be gleaned from watching what unintellligent people are up to than working your way through an unreadable book full of word salad.
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    For the most part women are terrible judges of character and bad selectors of a mate. That's why daughters were not in control of their own sexuality in traditional societies and ours is a wreck. And that's why women support the worst possible politicians after being manipulated by them while we men look on in complete consternation.
    I agree. For many years I have argued on my Aryan Myth and Metahistory blog that fathers need to take control of their hearths and this includes their daughters. The modern permissive society with its gradual weakening of the legal rights of men vis a vis women has now effectively emasculated most men. Men must not be afraid to be men and provide spaces for men only such as discussion forums that exclude women-that would be a start. One sees for instance how traditional male meeting places such as public houses, football matches and even the old fashioned barber shops are now frequented by women and their presence interferes with the natural male-male dynamics. The presence of more and more women MPs in Parliament (selected for their gender, not their ability) has feminised politics and has created the phenomena of 'Big Sister' (elaborated on by Simon Sheppard in his writings). The female statesman is always more oppressive than their male counterpart and this is in part why we see more and more oppressive laws being passed that seek to control our every action, word and thought. This is because females prize 'safety and security' above the freedoms treasured by real men. Thus many 'men' have become emasculated and feminised. The cosmopolitan pink shirt wearing, showering 3 times a day, perfume wearing, skin moisturising metrosexual is trumpeted as the 'ideal (modern) 'man''.

    But women are not wrong in this case. Intelligence itself means very little. It's not something one receives rewards for in life. And understandably so. Why should women value intelligence? Intelligence doesn't pay bills and it offers little protection.
    I disagree. I can only speak from my own perspective as a man of a certain age. Intelligence and drive helped me to obtain qualifications. These qualifications enabled me to spend nearly 39 years in a secure and senior position. This in turn equipped me with money and assets and the ability to retire before 60. A man with little intelligence would have found that his life would have taken a different course.

    Cavemen will get the girl every single time, the loner will remain alone, whether he's intelligent or an undesirable.
    I disagree. 'Cavemen' do not stick around and where they do the woman usually ends up regretting her faulty choice and wishes that she had used her intelligence to select an appropriate mate. Again your theory only applies to the lower kind of female, of limited value.

    Intelligence is something you can impress other intelligent men with, but not women in a romantic context.
    True. I agree. This is why intelligent men should seek out (and invariably do) intelligent women. 'Birds of a feather flock together'.

    Even the fools instinctually know who leaders and followers are when being dropped into a new social situation - it's not a complex analysis, thinking is not required. A gorilla could do this. A gorilla does do this!
    Yes you are talking about instinct but I genuinely do not buy into your thesis. Groups of inebriated and often low brow females encountering groups of inebriated and often low brow males do not go too deeply into these things and when inebriated even their instinctual reasoning is not operating. This is why some women fall pray to men and end up being assaulted. In circumstances where alcohol is not a factor then you may well be right in that regard but alcohol is a great 'mocker'. I never consume it except when taking sips from the mead horn when carrying out rites. You could compare that act to the Christian Holy Communion. Even 'Tommy Tiny Timmy Robinson' may be regarded as a 'leader' but look at the type of individual he is and the nature of his knuckle dragging following. Everything must be placed into context.

    I can't agree with that. The kind of man who believe such things tend to be socially handicapped and hence they don't see a need for taking an interest in others.
    The theory of equating 'sociability' with intelligence is a fairly recent innovation and one that is already being challenged. You need to consider where all this is coming from. The State encourages 'socialisation' and does so to such an extent that it regards with suspicion those who resist this process. How often do we see media reports of alleged 'terrorists' as 'loners' etc? They seek to demonise anyone who is beyond their control for 'socialisation' = indoctrination, accepting the collective narrative without question. The modern education system which is just another arm of the State seeks to enforce this process of socialisation and those who home educate their children are automatically viewed with suspicion and indeed in some countries it is even outlawed. Collective education = collective indoctrination. Teaching the masses to read enables their easier conditioning and control as few question the narrative in the newspapers or the Internet. In this sense mass education has become a double edged sword.

    I have never been a sociable person. I have had friends but I have never seen the need to go out and 'socialise'. Far better to engage with people you like in normal everyday activities such as the work place or perhaps in engaging in a hobby etc. Likewise I do not use social media. My presence occasionally on discussion forums is not to 'chat' or 'make friends' but to exchange ideas, challenge and stimulate minds and also to learn from others. Just as an aside if I ever found myself in prison (who knows with these new 'Thought Crime' laws) I would request a cell to myself or so arrange it that I end up in solitary confinement. That would not be a punishment for me but a privilege. Give me a cell to myself, a choice selection of non-fictional books, a pen and paper and I would gladly serve a 'life stretch'! So one must never make the mistake of CHOOSING not to socialise with this being a 'social handicap'. This is a life choice and not a 'handicap', except to the State as you remove yourself from social control and 'peer pressure'. To the State such an individual is regarded as a 'threat' (all well and good as do we not oppose the State?).

    Or maybe he just read that somewhere, because this is a well-known quote. There's a lot to be learned from watching other people and what they do, more valuable, useful information to be gleaned from watching what unintellligent people are up to than working your way through an unreadable book full of word salad.

    Yes one can learn from watching people but after a few years of watching idiots this ceases to have any value and becomes a mere amusement, almost a form of voyeurism. Give me books instead of people any old day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    It's not a fetish but evolutionary biology. "Bad Boys" can fight off others and protect her.

    While this can not:
    I didn't address this when it was posted but better late than never - the narrative that women have to choose between dating effete pseudo homosexuals or criminal bad boys is not true. It's a common argument women use to justify their behavior but it has nothing to do with reality.

    Most men are neither criminals nor metrosexuals. Most men are average and so are most women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Yaxley View Post
    I didn't address this when it was posted but better late than never - the narrative that women have to choose between dating effete pseudo homosexuals or criminal bad boys is not true. It's a common argument women use to justify their behavior but it has nothing to do with reality.


    Most men are neither criminals nor metrosexuals. Most men are average and so are most women.
    That's true and I also don't buy into the theory that drunken tarts in nightclubs engage in any kind of analysis of personality types either! The reality is rather different. Like attracts like-it's really very simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    Benevolent sexism is a concept describing a form of sexism which is overtly less hostile and misogynistic, and are beliefs that I was taught, as a man from the US South. Benevolent sexism includes beliefs that:

    Women should be “put on a pedestal”
    Women should be cherished and protected by men
    Men should be willing to sacrifice to provide for women
    Women are more virtuous than men
    Women are more refined and pure, compared to men.
    The culture of the American South - including benevolent sexism - is something that has to be experienced to be understood. The long story short is that the former Confederate states were bypassed by many post 1860s historical events. The South was essentially forgotten by the rest of the world until the 1960s rolled around. This means that middle & upper class Southerners tend to live in a time warp. Values that were common in Victorian Britain were still mainstream in the former Confederate States as late as the 1970s and many young men still hold them in 2018.

    There are good aspects to this (a few years ago a poll showed that nearly half of White Mississippians would support banning racial mixing and it is therefore dramatically rarer to meet interracial couples in the South) but there are also negative ones. Classic example: Southern men often refuse to admit that feminism is an issue because to do so would be to show weakness and maintaining a stiff upper lip matters too much to do that. Then when they do come around they tend to swing wildly in the opposite direction (I know of one Southern racialist who is intelligent, brave, and 100% dedicated to our cause - but he also wants to ban women from consuming alcohol in public).

    Personally, I am content to let Southerners do things the way they wish to. But I feel obligated to point out that the South's 'benevolent sexism' is the result of a unique culture and that most European men would not be happy living that way.

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    I find much of that "benevolent sexism" dangerous these days and quite problematic. I didn't like that part of the article at all, that's not why I posted it. The author is blue pilled to the core. These things are eerily similar to what feminists and white knights/thot enablers who throw money at webcam girls believe:

    Women are more refined and pure, compared to men / women are more virtuous than men --> Translated to our times that becomes: women can do nothing wrong and they're never responsible for their actions, no matter how horrendous. More pure, lol, please...
    Men should be willing to sacrifice to provide for women --> Not if it's a one way street, that's kind of masochistic. No money, no Swiss, you know.
    Women should be “put on a pedestal” --> Only when they're virtuous and not simply because of their sex. We don't need more of those slimey fedora types...





    Quote Originally Posted by W.K.
    I disagree. I can only speak from my own perspective as a man of a certain age. Intelligence and drive helped me to obtain qualifications.
    Intelligence alone wouldn't have gotten you there - and we're talking about intelligence in relation to women taking an interest in men.

    Quote Originally Posted by W.K.
    'Cavemen' do not stick around and where they do the woman usually ends up regretting her faulty choice and wishes that she had used her intelligence to select an appropriate mate. Again your theory only applies to the lower kind of female, of limited value.
    It applies to all women, no exception. Low value, high value - they're all instinctually drawn to those raw masculine types.

    Quote Originally Posted by W.K.
    This is why intelligent men should seek out (and invariably do) intelligent women. 'Birds of a feather flock together'.
    Intelligent women are much harder to please and harder to keep around. They get big ideas! I think men will prefer a less intelligent woman on the whole. Speaking for myself: intelligent women are like a breath of fresh air, but to be in a relationship with them...? That's probably not for me. I will pass that chalice on. You'd have to be very intelligent yourself too on top of having some caveman qualities to win them over - they know what they're worth and they know they're rare, especially if they possess good looks too.

    Quote Originally Posted by W.K.
    Yes you are talking about instinct but I genuinely do not buy into your thesis. Groups of inebriated and often low brow females encountering groups of inebriated and often low brow males do not go too deeply into these things and when inebriated even their instinctual reasoning is not operating.
    Deep analysis is not needed, it's a matter of details all women (and men) notice - women even more so than men. Alcohol doesn't have to enter the equation. You're thinking of chavs and stereotypical clubs - but this happens in every bar or at every social event which involves single people meeting each other, including the higher end ones.

    Quote Originally Posted by W.K.
    The theory of equating 'sociability' with intelligence is a fairly recent innovation and one that is already being challenged. You need to consider where all this is coming from. The State encourages 'socialisation'...
    Challenged by whom, autists? There oversocialization, it's a plague of our time - and yes, officialdom looks down upon loner men. I'm not thinking of all that. That's just the other extreme - you have the socially retarded and you have the oversocialized.

    People's skills are priceless and they require intelligence. All master manipulators are extremely intelligent people. And if you find yourself outside of the group all of the time, the problem lies with you. That's not normal. And you pay a price for that, doors remain closed for you. I can sense you have trouble accepting this - because you rather fit that description, no?

    Quote Originally Posted by W.K.
    Give me books instead of people any old day!
    It very much depends on the book. And if the book is about people, you may just be better off studying people yourself.
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    After rereading the thread I realized that I never defined 'bad boy' - in most of America it means a young man who constantly behaves in a troublesome and / or criminal way. A delinquent. I think that certain members here thought I was complaining about guys who like to ride motorcycles or something else.

    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonPagan View Post
    Like a lion hunting gazelles, I soon figured out that you had to somehow isolate individuals from the pack. Many attempts met with rejection but even if/when you got talking to one on her own she would invariably have to report back to the other herd members to see if they approved.

    Upset ONE of them and you upset them
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    because that’s just how women behave in a group, where peer approval is of paramount importance and very few can think or act independently.

    ^Perfectly said, SP
    . In the US the bar scene is especially bad because my country has a severe obesity epidemic and you have to find a way to neutralize the chunky girl who doesn't want her friends to get any attention.



    Tactical hint for men reading this: always bring your fat friend with. He will come in handy. ROFL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    you have tons of men fighting over a few scraps. If there's a woman on online dating websites whom is somehow beating the curve she's only there for some male attention in order to feel good about herself. That's why you see more and more decent, good-looking men dating rather unattractive indecent women. Probably only for sex too. It's a trainwreck.


    IMO, European men who feel that they're being gypped might want to try pursuing women from other cities / regions / etc. My 'Euro Dating Thread' had a lot of humor in it but I was 100% serious when I said that certain countries obviously had better dating scenes than others. I was genuinely surprised at how many drop dead gorgeous German & British women (in their early 20s) were looking for boyfriends. The countries that I would not want to chase girls in would be: 1) Sweden, 2) The Netherlands, 3) Belgium.

    I'm not advocating importing mail order brides from Moldova, just saying that a change of scenery could help men who aren't having luck in their current locales.

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    Intelligence alone wouldn't have gotten you there - and we're talking about intelligence in relation to women taking an interest in men.
    I mentioned this because you made the erroneous comment that "Why should women value intelligence? Intelligence doesn't pay bills and it offers little protection. Cavemen will get the girl every single time, the loner will remain alone, whether he's intelligent or an undesirable."

    Clearly without a certain level of intelligence one cannot secure an income that will "pay bills". It really is an illogical statement to make.

    It applies to all women, no exception. Low value, high value - they're all instinctually drawn to those raw masculine types.
    How do you know? You are not a woman so on what basis are you making this conclusion? You a presenting women as being uniform in character and personality and this too is illogical and not grounded in reality.

    Intelligent women are much harder to please and harder to keep around. They get big ideas!
    Not necessarily. You are confusing intelligence with materialism. Once again you are seeking to apply a one shoe size fits all stereotype to all women. Life is far more complex than that. People are more varied and complex than that.

    I think men will prefer a less intelligent woman on the whole. Speaking for myself: intelligent women are like a breath of fresh air, but to be in a relationship with them...? That's probably not for me. I will pass that chalice on.
    Ok.

    You'd have to be very intelligent yourself too on top of having some caveman qualities to win them over - they know what they're worth and they know they're rare, especially if they possess good looks too.
    No, you don't. I really don't know where you are getting your ideas about women from but you have some very plastic ideas about women and the female personality.

    Deep analysis is not needed, it's a matter of details all women (and men) notice - women even more so than men. Alcohol doesn't have to enter the equation. You're thinking of chavs and stereotypical clubs - but this happens in every bar or at every social event which involves single people meeting each other, including the higher end ones.
    Once again you attempt your one shoe size fits all putting square pegs into round holes and ignore the complexity of human relationships and the variation in personality types.

    Challenged by whom, autists? There oversocialization, it's a plague of our time - and yes, officialdom looks down upon loner men. I'm not thinking of all that. That's just the other extreme - you have the socially retarded and you have the oversocialized.
    Yes of course; there is in reality a spectrum and I am not necessarily referring to extremes of that spectrum. There will be loners who desire more human association but lack the social skills and there will be those who have good or adequate social skills and friends but do not actively seek the company of others but prefer solitude. There will also be those who are misanthropic. All of these are feared by the State.

    People's skills are priceless and they require intelligence. All master manipulators are extremely intelligent people.
    Or they can be people like Paul Harris who are of average intelligence but sufficiently adept at gathering around them a following of people of lesser intelligence to do their bidding and donate to their PayPal accounts. This is endemic in the 'nationalist' scene where mediocre and undesirable individuals rise to prominence as it is a small pond.

    And if you find yourself outside of the group all of the time, the problem lies with you. That's not normal. And you pay a price for that, doors remain closed for you. I can sense you have trouble accepting this - because you rather fit that description, no?
    Not all. It has never affected me adversely in the slightest. Some people 'need' others. I do not. 'Need' is a weakness. We all die alone. We all cross over that barrier between worlds alone. No one will do that with you. Many of these 'socialised' individuals enter a state of panic if they are 'abandoned' by others and dread the 'noise' of silence. They are disquieted by it. This is weakness, not strength. Before we can know others we must first know ourselves. Man in his quest for knowledge seeks to explore the universe when there is a whole universe within himself that can be explored. Look within, not without. For without is Maya, illusion.

    It very much depends on the book. And if the book is about people, you may just be better off studying people yourself.
    True but as I said there are people who are interested in people, those who are interested in facts and those who are interested in concepts.

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    As I read through the responses from the men on here I can't help but to feel like this:

    followed by this and finally like this

    You guys are putting way too much thought into all of this. You are supposed to be the saviors of our race, yet mostly what I take from reading this thread is a bunch of guys bitching about not getting a woman. Here is clue number one, QUIT BITCHING, women hate bitches. Clue number two, surprise yourself and be a man! Clue number three just try being yourself, hey I know such a simple solution but if you like yourself chances are there is a girl out there that likes you to. Come on I know it's a numbers game, the more real life girls you talk the more chances you have of meeting the right one. Now, I want you to shut your eyes and slowly back away from the internet and quit reading all the trash out there about women, dating and other bullshit that guys who can't get laid let alone have a relationship with a woman post about these subjects. There is way too much shit on the net about this subject and not enough good ole natural actions.

    Remember we are all in this together and I'm pullen for ya.
    Life is like a fire hydrant- sometimes you help people put out their fires, but most of the time you just get peed on by every dog in the neighborhood.

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