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    German city of Dresden declares 'Nazi emergency'



    Source: CNN

    The German city of Dresden has declared a "Nazi emergency" after years of "right-wing extremist, racist" activity in the city, a local councilor says.

    Dresden city councilors this week passed a resolution warning that the far-right was growing in strength in the eastern German city.

    "The word 'Nazinotstand' is an exaggerated formulation for the fact that there is a serious problem -- similar to the climate emergency -- with right-wing extremism right up to the middle of society," Max Aschenbach, councilor for the satirist Die Partei (The Party), told CNN.

    Aschenbach, who tabled the motion, told CNN the move was symbolic and would have no legal consequences, but that it served to highlight the threat posed by the far right in Dresden.

    Dresden is where the the PEGIDA movement (Patriotic Europeans against the Islamization of the West) first emerged in 2013, and regular rallies are still held in the city.

    Anti-immigrant sentiment runs high in the state of Saxony, of which Dresden is the capital: The Alternative for Deutschland (AfD) won 27.5% of the vote in this year's state election.

    The AfD became the first far-right party to enter Germany's national parliament in almost 60 years when it came in third place overall in federal elections in 2017.

    Aschenbach said his resolution, which was put forward to show commitment to a "democratic, open, pluralistic society," was put to a vote by Dresden's city council on Wednesday, and passed by 39 votes to 29.

    "For years, politicians have failed to position themselves clearly and unequivocally against the right-wing extremists, and to outlaw them," Aschenbach told CNN, adding that he wanted Dresden's city council to support citizens' initiatives, education and culture in the city.

    A representative for the center-right Christian Democratic Union party, which voted against the resolution, called it an "intended provocation."

    Jan Donhauser, chairman of the CDU group on Dresden council, told CNN there was no state of emergency, and that the wording of the resolution was damaging to the city's international reputation.

    "The choice of words in the title of the application does not do justice to the realities in our city: the vast majority of Dresdeners are neither right-wing extremists nor anti-democratic," he said.
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    Greens biggest party in Dresden

    The City Council of Dresden can be found on wikipedia :
    https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erge...len_in_Dresden

    Greens and Reds are largest parties in Dresden .

    Looks like a false flag to me to declare "Nazi Emergency" :
    https://www.br.de/nachrichten/deutsc...mismus,RgaXyqG
    Therein, the real paperwork does not declare nazi emergency anymore after being remodeled ; it is just to create new city jobs .

    322 right winged crimes in Dresden during year 2018 , most are graffities :
    https://www.dnn.de/Dresden/Polizeiti...ten-in-Dresden

    Swastika-LED mentioned in headline , but Syrian stabbing another Syrian
    just between the lines in the text :
    https://www.dnn.de/Dresden/Polizeiti...n-festgenommen
    Mk 10:18 What do you call me a good master, no-one is good .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    So for me the ecomomic freedom and the step by step abolishment of the welfare state that is the main reason for mass immigration anyway, is very positive.
    The eastern AfD want to expand the welfare.
    Shooting someone who's afflicted with cancer won't heal that person, it'll kill them. The welfare state is not the problem, its exploitation through a far-too-liberal immigration policy is.

    Social security and the welfare state stem from a time when the nation was ethnically at least relatively homogenous. There's been academic studies that have even proven that social cohesion and willingness to help other members of society increases with homogeneity and decreases the more heterogenerous a group becomes.

    Most Germans wouldn't complain if their high taxes gave them top-notch infrastructure including modern internet connectivity, free health care, free education and lots and lots of benefits for rearing children. As it is however, dozens of billions of Euros go into the migration industry instead - and an undisclosed, even higher amount goes into migrants relying on social security originally established under the "for Germans, by Germans" idea of "a people helping themselves/each other".

    So at the end of the day, the welfare state and/or social security can work and will work, provided a) enough people pay into it, b) not too many people need to rely on a greater-than-average support and c) that which enters the national economy doesn't routinely leave it. Meaning: family-friendly policies and far, far tougher 'foreigner politics' would help.

    Making sure your average Kebab-selling place doesn't have to pay taxes anymore whilst a German single-mother will need to feed her kid from a rubbish can, on the other hand, won't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    Shooting someone who's afflicted with cancer won't heal that person, it'll kill them. The welfare state is not the problem, its exploitation through a far-too-liberal immigration policy is.

    Social security and the welfare state stem from a time when the nation was ethnically at least relatively homogenous. There's been academic studies that have even proven that social cohesion and willingness to help other members of society increases with homogeneity and decreases the more heterogenerous a group becomes.

    Most Germans wouldn't complain if their high taxes gave them top-notch infrastructure including modern internet connectivity, free health care, free education and lots and lots of benefits for rearing children. As it is however, dozens of billions of Euros go into the migration industry instead - and an undisclosed, even higher amount goes into migrants relying on social security originally established under the "for Germans, by Germans" idea of "a people helping themselves/each other".

    So at the end of the day, the welfare state and/or social security can work and will work, provided a) enough people pay into it, b) not too many people need to rely on a greater-than-average support and c) that which enters the national economy doesn't routinely leave it. Meaning: family-friendly policies and far, far tougher 'foreigner politics' would help.

    Making sure your average Kebab-selling place doesn't have to pay taxes anymore whilst a German single-mother will need to feed her kid from a rubbish can, on the other hand, won't.
    You speak about a ideal state of society that is not the case, if you live in Germany you know that even enough ethnic Germans degenerated to a extent that they need consequences and not free welfare.

    A welfare state should be limited to ethnic Germans that gotta prove that they are in need for the help. Meanwhile the productive members of society that contribute to it, should see that their taxes dont get exploited, cause seeing whats going on rn doesnt make me and other productive members of societs feel close to the ethnic Germans on welfare, quite the opppsite.

    Germany is a complete degenerated society that needs a bit darwinism.

    With the abolishment of welfare most immigrants would leave for themselves, degenerate Germans would be forced to work finally and the last ones really not capable to work are colleteral damage, single moms and mentally handicaped people managed to survive in even worse times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    West Germans are simply more independent and not collectivists.
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    So for me the ecomomic freedom and the step by step abolishment of the welfare state that is the main reason for mass immigration anyway, is very positive.
    The eastern AfD want to expand the welfare.
    What's the evidence for those statements. I agree that it is the welfare state that attracts undesired immigration, but it was the Germans in the West that voted for an expanded, big in comparison to other countries, welfare state, those more to the East got Socialism imposed onto them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    Shooting someone who's afflicted with cancer won't heal that person, it'll kill them. The welfare state is not the problem, its exploitation through a far-too-liberal immigration policy is.
    ....
    .... But getting that person away from carcinogenic substances does help. A welfare state is nothing vital to the existence of a nation and it tends to become an albatross around the neck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    You speak about a ideal state of society that is not the case, if you live in Germany you know that even enough ethnic Germans degenerated to a extent that they need consequences and not free welfare.
    The myth of there being myriad of ethnic Germans willing to leech on their next man is being over-exaggerated. The share of people relying on social security stemming from an ethnic minority background has long surpassed that of ethnic Germans.

    I know of people who've worked hard, manual jobs for all their life, who got made redundant around age 50 because they were getting too expensive for the firm, with the off-the-boat immigrant doing it for half the money. Then they spend years never finding a job despite sending hundreds of applications and after half a life of hard labour.

    A welfare state should be limited to ethnic Germans that gotta prove that they are in need for the help. Meanwhile the productive members of society that contribute to it, should see that their taxes dont get exploited
    Claiming that the "productive members of society" are only those that pay a hefty amount of taxes is liberal hogwash, however. A stay-at-home mother wouldn't pay in, but is still productive, perhaps more so than leftist yuppie/hipster DINK types that spend their life in over-payed positions.

    Germany is a complete degenerated society that needs a bit darwinism. [...] With the abolishment of welfare most immigrants would leave for themselves
    You're speaking of an ideal society. In reality, the abolishment of welfare wouldn't get any immigrant to leave, because there's literally dozens of NGOs helping them out, and literally thousands of bleeding-heart liberal-left guys with an over-payed job willing to donate their cause.

    Finally, they have much more social cohesion within their ethnic community and if Mustafa can't buy his new BMW on his own accord and can't afford a flat on his own they'll live in a three-generation household and he'll share a BMW with his cousins.

    degenerate Germans would be forced to work finally and the last ones really not capable to work are colleteral damage
    ...or the ones ending up as collateral damage without social security wouldn't be "denegerate Germans" but likely often preservationists/patriots/nationalists after some left-wing Antifa 'research blog' or over-payed left-leaning "extremism expert" denounces them with their employer. What then?

    Quote Originally Posted by Theunissen View Post
    But getting that person away from carcinogenic substances does help. A welfare state is nothing vital to the existence of a nation and it tends to become an albatross around the neck.
    The English language uses the bad word "welfare state". German uses "social state" instead. And of course it's in the interest of the folk to help out those enduring hardships. It's the very idea of an ethnically defined nation to know that if you break your leg, your next countryman will gladly help you get on your legs again, and willing to do the same in return.

    The problem's never been the "social state". The problem's always been the loopholes for immigrants, crooks and the left. Close the loopholes, send most of the foreigners home, whilst still making sure that no fellow German gets left behind, and you'll find the "social state" works just fine. Of course doesn't actually have to be government handouts, but a "German people help yourself" attitude with people willing to look out for their fellow folk should definitely be fostered.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
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    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

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