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    The NPC Question

    There's an ongoing popular debate in the alt-right about "NPCs", a gamer term meaning "non-person character", it's the artificial intelligence/bots you deal with when playing a computer game and in some cases also board or card games. For example: the little monsters chasing Pacman are NPCs, while Pacman is controlled by a human player. Recent research has shown that only 26% of people have an inner monologue (reflections/unsymbolized thinking, inner speech, inner seeing, sensory awareness, feelings) going on. One of the conclusions drawn from this research is that 74% people who don't have inner speech never question the state, media, religion nor any dominant narrative, they're simple incapable of doing so. They can not imagine a different world beyond the 21st century civilization they know. Like the little monsters chasing Pacman, they subscribe to the rules of the game and the game is their whole life, unable to overcome their own programming and hence circumvent the rules of the game - NPC humans don't even know they're programmed.



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    Saw a docu a while ago about the difference of brains in liberals and conservatives, how they operate.

    Of course, they interpreted all the liberal stuff positive (problem-solving oriented) and all the conservative stuff negative (questioning, doubting, see problems everywhere, "simple solutions"), as usual in this kind of propaganda stuff, but that they indeed identified different patterns (ohmygodsallhumansareequalalways) and actually published it surprised me.

    It goes well along with the NPC definition. You can throw literally everything at some people and they will start trying to solve the problem. Throw million illegal migrants at voluntaries and they will try everything to house, feed, support them, while the con will tend to identify the "problem" as unsolvable and also take the counterarguments into account, dangers resulting for us etc, and present the only workable solution, ie, send them all home.

    The voluntaries work themselve to death, sometimes literally, without ever questioning why they should be tasked with such a problem in the first place. Someone put a new scroll into their Golem-heads that reads "we must help war refugees" and they will go and pick up the task, just as commanded to them. Regardless of the detail that they probably never saw a "Syrian war refugee" themselves but instead niggers, NAs or Afghans, they will never question that these are all war refugees from Syria and so have a right to asylum (one of the many inventions of our now revealed "truthsystems", there is no such thing as a right to asylum, only a right to application). They are unable to question the narrative even when reality kicks them in the face.

    Maybe we can now stop trying to "redpill" everyone and instead concentrate on the people who are not yet braindead zombies.
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    Most people think as they are trained to think, and most people make a majority.

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    Wow I didn't know about this so thanks for the explanation and videos. I guess that explains why the majority of the population are non-critical thinkers, people who are gullible to believe everything they see or hear. Perhaps the advanced stage of this study would be to identify if there's a part of our DNA that makes you or not a NPC, much like traits and diseases. If the majority of the population are NPCs, that would also explain why a lot are unanimous in their opinions... it's like they are on autopilot? And certainly explain why being a critical thinker makes you feel like or treated as an outcast. You stand out like a sore thumb. Like in a game, you're the anomaly or bad sector.

    Liberals are single minded that's why they don't ask questions.

    Likewise, non-critical thinkers love being agreed upon. They thrived on being part of the majority hence the mob mentality.

    YES @ the right of application. Whoever invented asylum as a right is a mad person or does not own a dictionary.

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    From the study abstract referred to in the first video:

    "We used DES to describe 10 randomly identified moments of inner experience from each of 30 participants selected from a stratified sample of college students. We found that each of the five phenomena occurred in approximately one quarter of sampled moments, that the frequency of these phenomena varied widely across individuals . . ."

    I don't think this says that only 1/4 of people experience such phenomena - just that each phenomenon occured 25% of the time in the 'moments'.


    Regarding liberal and conservative personalities:

    https://www.newscientist.com/article...nse-tells-all/

    "The way your brain reacts to a single disgusting image can be used to predict whether you lean to the left or the right politically.

    A number of studies have probed the emotions of people along the political spectrum, and found that disgust in particular is tightly linked to political orientation. People who are highly sensitive to disgusting images – of bodily waste, gore or animal remains – are more likely to sit on the political right and show concern for what they see as bodily and spiritual purity, so tend to oppose abortion and gay marriage, for example.

    A team led by Read Montague, a neuroscientist at Virginia Tech in Roanoke, recruited 83 volunteers and performed fMRI brain scans on them as they looked at a series of 80 images that were either pleasant, disgusting, threatening or neutral. Participants then rated the images for their emotional impact and completed a series of questionnaires that assessed whether they were liberal, moderate or conservative.

    The brain-imaging results were then fed to a learning algorithm which compared the whole-brain responses of liberals and conservatives when looking at disgusting images versus neutral ones.

    For both political groups, the algorithm was able to pick out distinct patterns of brain activity triggered by the disgusting images. And even though liberals and conservatives consciously reported similar emotional reactions to the images, the specific brain regions involved and their patterns of activation differed consistently between the two groups – so much so that they represented a neural signature of political leaning, the team concludes.

    One-shot predictor
    Conservatives showed increased activity in brain regions previously implicated in processing disgust, such as the basal ganglia and amygdala, but also in a wide range of regions involved in regulating emotion, attention and integrating information. In liberals the brain showed increased activity in different regions, but these were just as diverse.

    The team found that these neural signatures of disgust can be used to predict political orientation. “In fact, the responses in the brain are so strong that we can predict with 95 per cent accuracy where you’ll fall on the liberal-conservative spectrum by showing you just one picture,” says Montague. “This was surprising as there are no other reports where people’s response to just one stimulus predicts anything behaviourally interesting.”

    Darren Schreiber of the University of Exeter, UK, who is also interested in the neuroscience of politics, says this approach is an advance on previous brain-imaging work that highlighted the importance of one or two isolated brain regions on political leaning, rather than entire networks. And while this is not the first time differences have been found in the brains of liberals and conservatives, Schreiber says that the combination of whole-brain analysis with a sophisticated learning algorithm marks a step forward. “It’s not only a powerful replication and extension of previous work, but it’s also incredibly accurate.”"

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    Some NPC addressed the issue like an NPC would.

    She doesn't get it. This isn’t about dehumanization nor is this merely about SJWs, “NPC” is a reference to the vast majority of any population in any given era, the many millions being incapable of having any, somewhat original thought or taste or a will of their own in any meaningful way. That isn’t shocking news, it’s pretty evident. There are more people who go with the flow than there are who go against the current. NPCs are the majority of any population, always, they opt for the easy way out, they bet on the strongest, safest horse and merely care for their own social status/themselves/their own survival and their direct environment at most. They’re very receptive to mass media/pop culture & the educational system and its norms. Today that of course means that most NPCs are progressives, at least in the U.S. (and not in Saudi Arabia), but that doesn’t mean all progressives are NPCs - the progressive message is something we encounter 24/7, it takes some effort on the part of a person to come across an actually contradicting message, such as the one of the alt-right. As for women: women are in general more receptive to the norm they’re supposed to adhere to by the powers that be, more collectivist by nature as well - psychological evolutionary theory says it’s because women still fear being rejected by the tribe and cast into the wilderness, something that would’ve meant certain death in prehistoric times. It’s no coincidence either that all philosophers of any note were men. But women are perfectly capable of entertaining any thought a man may have, of course, depending on their own level of intelligence. No-one seriously believes NPCs/normies/SJWs or even women as this text suggests, aren’t fully human except for a handful of weirdo 4 channers. Also: NPCs are rarely recognisable on a train like in that cartoon, you need to know something about people before categorizing them that way. There are certainly a few activities which are of course dead giveaways, such as the consumption of decadent art.

    How The 'NPC' Meme Tries To Dehumanize 'SJWs'



    From time to time, and especially if you’re a fan of science fiction, you may have had the thought that nobody around you is actually real. That sentiment has taken root in anti-progressive parts of the internet as a dehumanizing meme, and it borrows some familiar gaming terminology.

    About a month ago, a meme along those lines took root on 4chan and among anti-progressive online communities. It’s called the NPC meme and it goes like this: Out there in the world, there are literal NPCs—the term for non-playable characters in video games—who have no internality whatsoever. There are some giveaways, of course. They spit out canned lines—“Good weather today, huh?”—and flock to normie trends (are Ugg boots still a thing?) and, for the most part, share the same uncritical worldview. The classic melancholy meme Wojak, a sad man crudely drawn in Microsoft paint, has now received the NPC treatment with NPC Wojak:



    Part crackpot social theory and part elementary school insult, the NPC meme originated from a deeply comical medley of bogus physics and stupid religion found on the messaging board 4Chan. Originally posted in 2016, it resurfaced last month. “I have a theory that there are only a fixed quantity of souls on planet Earth that cycle continuously through reincarnation,” a 4Chan poster wrote. “However, since the human growth rate is so severe, the soulless extra walking flesh piles around us are NPC’s [sic], or ultimate normalfags, who autonomously follow group think and social trends in order to appear convingly human.” NPCs aren’t even worthy of a classic wake up, sheeple. They can’t!

    Here’s where things get interesting. Around the time a lot of us were assigned to read The Catcher in the Rye in middle school, it was normal to have edgelord thoughts about phonies or being one of the few who is capital-A awake. The NPC meme takes things a step further into a political zone where mass outcry against, say, serial harassers, racial injustice, or Trumpian ideas is dismissed as not just inherently uncritical but prima facie evidence of a lack of human consciousness.

    NPCs, the poster continued, “say the same shit,” including “SPORTSBALL,” “THE NEW ADELE SONG XD OMG” and “JUST BE YOURSELF.” The poster also cites a political example: “TRUMP IS HITLER,” adding:

    "If you get in a discussion with them it’s always the same buzzwords and hackneyed arguments. They’re the kind of people who make a show of discomfort when you break the status quo like by breaking the normie barrier to invoke a real discussion. it’s like in a vidya [game] when you accidentally talk to somebody twice and they give you the exact same lines word for word once more."

    Essentially, some large portion of society (normies, pop-culture fanatics, and Trump-haters, among others) who speak in cliches are, in fact, NPCs with no internality, agency, or capacity for critical thought. Like townies in Pokemon idly parked outside the same house day and night, constantly ready with the same contrived one-liners, these IRL NPCs aren’t thinking for themselves. They can’t.

    The two-year-old 4Chan post, despite its laughable premise, fueled a meme last month that has some scary implications. “How to tell when someone is an NPC,” wrote anti-SJW alt-right journalist Ian Miles Cheong on Twitter last month. (Update—8:15 pm: Cheong returned a request for comment to note that he does not consider himself to be alt-right). “Logic and facts in an argument do nothing to change their mind and only cause them to just repeat themselves ad infinitum. Like a limited dialogue script that loops on itself in a video game.” In the last month, Cheong has referred to several people as NPCs: An individual who insisted that the “okay” hand symbol, which has been misconstrued as a white supremacy symbol, is racist and using it is fireable; someone who might “read bell hooks in college to impress a girl in gender studies elective class”; people who “misuse the word ‘trauma’ to refer to any mildly uncomfortable experience”; and, ironically, a former New Yorker fact-checker who claimed on Twitter that “the vast majority of men simply do not consider women to be full human beings.”

    In some corners of the internet, NPC is beginning to replace the term “SJW.” According to ex-World of Warcraft dev Mark Kern, NPCs have the following qualities: “Incapable of independent thought. Wants everything done for them. (Quests) Constantly needing coddling (escort quests).” He published his checklist after another developer accused him of being a “right wing hack.” The tweet evidently was meant to compare so-called SJWs to these NPCs.

    It’s a now-common refrain on Reddit, with posts on /r/TheDonald saying, “The Left is just a meme of lunacy come to life. They’re just NPCs in the game of life” or, in reference to economic experts widely condemning tariffs, “here we are with one of the best economies in US history. Only brainwashed NPCs believe what ‘experts’ say when those claims are contradicted by reality!.”



    What makes this marginal, stale meme built on edgelord logic worth half a thought is what the idea of an NPC speaks to. NPCs have no agency; NPCs don’t think for themselves; NPCs don’t perceive, process, or understand; NPCs arrive at the same worldview not because it’s authentic to their experiences, but automatically. As a descriptor, it suggests that those to whom it applies aren’t even human, but are rather, functionally, robots, or clusters of computer code. That this has resonated as widely as it has is funny, but also a little scary.

    It’s one thing to claim that a person’s strongly-held views are informed by nothing at all, but entirely another to imply that they’re completely on auto-pilot. That is dehumanization, a way of reconceiving your enemies as objects, pawns, strawmen, tools. At best, dismissing large swaths of people you disagree with this way betrays a lack of empathy for people whose experiences differ from yours, and an unwillingness to consider that if a vast number of people happen to agree over something, it may be good to examine why; at best, it is a great utility for spreading bogus conspiracy theories.

    But who among us can say they’ve never mashed “A” as a some expository NPC rambled on, wishing all the while they had the option to silence them or worse?
    Source: kotaku.com
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    There is some confusion between two different ideas here:

    1) The 'zombie' of philosophy of mind - This the problem of not being able to prove that other people have conscious experiences; we just assume they do because they are like us biologically. In theory, an extremely sophisticated robot could be indistinguishable from a human by its behaviour, but is it aware of its own existence? How do we tell?

    2) The person who is highly conformist to the mainstream culture - I think this must correlate with low intelligence fairly strongly, but that's not the whole story. Low imagination and low creativity must contribute. And the independent thinker will not rebel for the sake of it - some norms he will find acceptable and others not. Then there are people who conform to subcultures which are partially opposed to the mainstream culture, so what are they?

    And can independent thinking go too far? Consider Varg Vikernes - very challenging of established ideas, but sometimes he defies logic.

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    Something Velvet found on the interwebs and mentioned in the chatbox, it's pretty funny: DemocRATic Left NPC Simulator.



    "The NPC is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a SJW, globalist, cuck, libtard, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a NPC and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.” - K. C. Dye
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    The NPC meme has become off limits for normies already - that escalated quickly:

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    And here's PJW's, rather funny take on this meme:

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