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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    I'm pretty sure at one point there will be also something toxic 'feminine'.^^
    (specially since traditionalism has not been stamped out as expected and many women use their freedom to chose life styles and chose tradition and family over career and empty entertainment)

    Toxic is the new fashion-word to throw at everything which doesnt fit the agenda of Friede Freude Eierkuchen. If you throw a "but" against any of the peacefuleverhappy wishywashy acceptance-of-everything preaches, you're "toxic", because you spoil the fantasy.

    It's the same SJWs/Marxists/Gender Studies Idiots throwing this new fashion-term around like they do with nazi, racist, bigot, sexist all the other nonsense to trap your mind in.
    They already have created such an image. Essentially women that aren't phD'ed rocket scientists that become CEO's at fortune 500 companies haven't made it. And then there is that disparaging of women that are mothers and housewives for a vocation:"pregnant, barefoot slave standing in the kitchen"- kind of imagery. Add to that the mean putting down of girls and young, unmarried women that are virgins and you get your equivalent of toxic femininity to toxic masculinity.

    My guess is that they chose the old-fashioned backward loser imagery of something toxic, because toxic femininity label would have provoked a harsh reaction to it.


    And yes, the New Left's mode of discussion is trimmed towards loading the language and assigning labels to their opponents and whoever else they don't like.

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    New American Psychological Association guidelines declare 'traditional masculinity'​ harmful to boys and men

    The American Psychological Association has issued new professional guidelines for mental health professionals that claim "traditional masculinity" is "harmful" to boys and men.

    The "Guidelines for Psychological Practice With Boys and Men" is based on 40 years of research, according to the APA's website.

    "The main thrust of the subsequent research is that traditional masculinity — marked by stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression — is, on the whole, harmful," according to the APA.

    It also alleged that "the more men conformed to masculine norms, the more likely they were to consider as normal risky health behaviors such as heavy drinking, using tobacco and avoiding vegetables, and to engage in these risky behaviors themselves."

    The APA protocol comes 12 years after the APA released its psychological guidelines for working with girls and women in 2007.
    What else did the guidelines say?

    Boys are traditionally socialized to suppress their emotions, which "causes damage that echoes both inwardly and outwardly," according to the release.

    Ryon McDermott, a psychologist at the University of South Alabama who helped draft the men's guidelines, said clinicians can use the guidelines to encourage men "to discard the harmful ideologies of traditional masculinity (violence, sexism) and find flexibility in the potentially positive aspects (courage, leadership)."

    He went on to say that tough demeanor may be beneficial in some cases, such as for a soldier in a war zone, but the same traits can destroy relationships at home.

    "There are times when you need to be able to power through," McDermott said in the release. "But if you only do that, and you believe that if you don't do that then you're somehow less worthy as a person, that's where you have a problem."

    What did it say about gender views?

    The report also pointed out that gender views have changed and that "transgender issues are at the forefront of the cultural conversation, and there is increased awareness of the diversity of gender identity."

    "It's no longer just this male-female binary," McDermott said.

    Transgender and LGBTQ students often face harassment from their peers and family, which may lead to depression and other harmful behaviors, researchers said.

    "[B]oys and men who identify as gay, bisexual or transgender still face higher-than-*average levels of hostility and pressure to conform to masculine norms," according to McDermott and Christopher Liang, a psychologist at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania who also worked on the guidelines.
    What about race?

    The researchers said that black men and boys are viewed more harshly by law enforcement, schools, and others, compared to white men and boys.

    "Boys and men of color [are] dealing with all their hurts and their struggles in ways that are consistent with masculinity," Liang said in the release. "So, 'be tough,' and 'don't show your hurts.' And they have to do this in a system where their behaviors are looked upon more negatively than boys and men from different groups."
    What are the reactions to the guidelines?

    David French, senior writer at National Review, tweeted his disapproval of the APA guidelines.
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    The American Psychological Association has issued new professional guidelines for mental health professionals that claim "traditional masculinity" is "harmful" to boys and men.
    For 26 years, this ban kept billions in the black market

    The "Guidelines for Psychological Practice With Boys and Men" is based on 40 years of research, according to the APA's website.

    "The main thrust of the subsequent research is that traditional masculinity — marked by stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression — is, on the whole, harmful," according to the APA.

    It also alleged that "the more men conformed to masculine norms, the more likely they were to consider as normal risky health behaviors such as heavy drinking, using tobacco and avoiding vegetables, and to engage in these risky behaviors themselves."

    The APA protocol comes 12 years after the APA released its psychological guidelines for working with girls and women in 2007.
    What else did the guidelines say?

    Boys are traditionally socialized to suppress their emotions, which "causes damage that echoes both inwardly and outwardly," according to the release.

    Ryon McDermott, a psychologist at the University of South Alabama who helped draft the men's guidelines, said clinicians can use the guidelines to encourage men "to discard the harmful ideologies of traditional masculinity (violence, sexism) and find flexibility in the potentially positive aspects (courage, leadership)."

    He went on to say that tough demeanor may be beneficial in some cases, such as for a soldier in a war zone, but the same traits can destroy relationships at home.

    "There are times when you need to be able to power through," McDermott said in the release. "But if you only do that, and you believe that if you don't do that then you're somehow less worthy as a person, that's where you have a problem."
    What did it say about gender views?

    The report also pointed out that gender views have changed and that "transgender issues are at the forefront of the cultural conversation, and there is increased awareness of the diversity of gender identity."

    "It's no longer just this male-female binary," McDermott said.

    Transgender and LGBTQ students often face harassment from their peers and family, which may lead to depression and other harmful behaviors, researchers said.

    "[B]oys and men who identify as gay, bisexual or transgender still face higher-than-*average levels of hostility and pressure to conform to masculine norms," according to McDermott and Christopher Liang, a psychologist at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania who also worked on the guidelines.
    What about race?

    The researchers said that black men and boys are viewed more harshly by law enforcement, schools, and others, compared to white men and boys.

    "Boys and men of color [are] dealing with all their hurts and their struggles in ways that are consistent with masculinity," Liang said in the release. "So, 'be tough,' and 'don't show your hurts.' And they have to do this in a system where their behaviors are looked upon more negatively than boys and men from different groups."
    What are the reactions to the guidelines?

    David French, senior writer at National Review, tweeted his disapproval of the APA guidelines:

    Psychologist Cameron Sepah also disagrees with the APA.

    Christian author Rod Dreher also took aim at the guidelines in a blog post on the American Conservative.

    "To be fair, it's not all PC codswallop, but given the social justice warrior jargon throughout, I suspect this is mostly about psychologizing the gelding of American males. I do not trust Ryon McDermott, PhD, to decide what is and is not healthy masculinity," Dreher wrote.

    "The more I think about it, the more Soviet this seems," he added. "Dissent from gender ideology (not just the transgender stuff, but the establishment's view of what men and women are)? Well, then you must be insane. Expert opinion says so!"
    What else?

    McDermott said there's little difference between the expectations for men and women.

    "About a third of the traits that people consider to be positive aspects of masculinity, such as sacrificing for others and having strong morals, are actually expected more from women than men when researchers ask both men and women about the trait in isolation from wider gender cues," McDermott said. [/quote]

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    First of all the use of the term gender already means that they are not talking about biological sex. Second this sounds more like this. And looking at the page of the psychologist named in this article I among things read the following :

    My research interests revolve around the intersections of culture and individual differences to understand real-world problems.
    The red flag word here being intersections. A term launched by someone described as the leading figure in the field of critical race theory.

    Also his picture. The head is slightly tilted which is a submission sign, used to shown interest in the person talking to. The smile looks forced. Even more so in combination with one raised eyebrow. Make me suspect it is insincere.
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    There isn't anything "toxic" about normal "masculinity".

    It's what makes normal women swoon with desire.

    All these confused, programmed lefties need to have the BS flushed from their warped little minds.
    Not all in life is at it appears to be.

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    In the last few days there was commotion surrounding a TV ad from Gillet which takes a stance against "toxic masculinity" by portraying men as violent buffoons and rapists. Naturally, nearly all the bad guys minus one in the ads are of European descent. So that's what the internet is currently talking about.

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    If our convenience oriented society comes crashing down around us, all of those whiny snowflakes are going to be crying for masculine men to save their spoiled butts.
    Not all in life is at it appears to be.

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    How the Left Gave Us “Toxic Masculinity”

    By Gene Veith



    Complaints about “toxic masculinity” often come across as complaints about “masculinity.” The Gillette ad on the subject shows leering men committing sexual harassment, bullies tormenting those smaller than themselves, and otherwise being obnoxious. But such behavior was always scorned by men of honor. The Gillette ad does show men in their traditional masculine role as protectors, role models, and fathers. Though it comes across as feminist and condescending. (I’ve embedded it below, so you can judge for yourself.)

    But there is such a thing as men behaving badly. And this often happens when young boys grow up with no father or father figure to show them how to be a man. A substantial amount of research has shown that boys who grow up without a father often develop “hypermasculine” traits–that is, extreme physical and sexual aggression. They get in fights and sometimes commit violent crimes. They tend to be misogynistic towards women while also being promiscuous. Girls raised without a father often become “hyperfeminine,” becoming sexually promiscuous and usually getting pregnant at a young age, generally from one of those hypermasculine men who never stay around to be fathers to their children, much less husbands.

    Traditionally, marriage civilized men by channeling their sexual desires into a loving relationship and parenthood. And it channeled their aggressiveness into protecting their family and working hard to provide for them. The fathers, in turn, taught their sons how to treat women and how to discipline themselves so they could grow up into effective adults.

    Who was responsible for mocking these “1950s” families and for encouraging young people to rebel against it? Today marriage has all but disappeared in the poor working class of all races and single mothers are raising their children with no father in sight. But middle class and wealthy families too are torn by divorce and family dysfunction. And the Sixties, with the sexual revolution and the counter culture, threw out all restraints on principle. A consequence of all of this is both the despair among young people (listen to their music) and “toxic masculinity.”

    Chad Felix Greene makes the same point in The Federalist, blaming the cultural left for tearing down marriage and fatherhood and thus for creating the “toxic masculinity” they now decry. From Gillette Ad Waxes Nostalgic About The Fathers The Left Has Yanked From Boys’ Lives:

    Ironically, the concept of young men having confident, positive male role models is a conservative message and has been for a long time. It has been the progressive left and the media that encouraged several generations of young men to indulge their every desire outside of morality or social structures like marriage.

    Both young men and women have been told for decades to sexually objectify themselves and consider their impulses sacred rights rather than denying themselves through responsible behaviors. The culture has downgraded marriage and the family to, at best, a comic annoyance one grows out of to, at worst, a repressive and unhealthy outdated concept that should be rejected. The obsession with celebrating single motherhood as an act of feminist self-determination and a society that views fathers suspiciously as optional caregivers has denied far too many males sufficient role models.

    An overly sexualized media combined with an overly violent entertainment culture has left generations of boys growing up with only TV shows to guide them. Fathers have been largely neglected and are often only celebrated when denouncing masculinity and embracing feminism.

    While the progressive scoffs at this line of reasoning and has for a very long time, the truth is everything they lecture us about proper male behavior today, they aggressively shamed out of society a generation ago. This is simply what happens when the father’s authority in family life is denounced, shamed, and cut out altogether. . . .

    Boys are not lost because of toxic masculinity; they are lost because their fathers have been taken away from them and they cannot figure out how to fill that void with anything but rage and shame. The social change Gillette and progressive activists want, it turns out, is a return to the moral and social values the conservative movement has been shouting from the rooftops for decades.

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    Stephan M did a great breakdown of the Gillette ad. The fact that the male villains were mostly white men and the heroes were mostly non white men such as Arabs and blacks was highlighted. He pointed out that Arab and Black males are far more likely to mistreat women, yet it was the straight white males depicted as toxically masculine.
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    The Gillette ad and tactics by similar companies in a nutshell:

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    Admittedly, most of the latter "kind" have never seen a razor in their lives so it would probably be the wrong target audience anyway.
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    "Toxic masculinity" is just the war on white men. Thats all it is.
    Its one giant sh!t test and now that women are pretty much in charge
    they'll ride this train right off a cliff.

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