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    British Nationalism vs English Nationalism

    I'm an American but I've always had a strong interest in England and, after reading quite a bit about that region of the world's political landscape, it seems to me that English Nationalism would be a far more logical option than British Nationalism. Why do I think this?

    1. The Battle for Brexit




    Scotland and Northern Ireland were overwhelmingly in the 'Remain' camp whereas England supported 'Leave.'

    2. Where is the English Parliament?



    The UK has a parliament and so does Scotland - but England doesn't possess its own parliament.

    3. Economics

    Scotland generates far less wealth on a per capita basis than England yet offers free college tuition to its students. Northern Ireland is also largely dependent on tax transfers. If you honestly look at the UK's economy what you see is a system in which England subsidizes the other nations. This is obviously not beneficial for the vast majority of the English populace (who are being taken advantage of, if you ask me).

    4. Cultural Differences



    To be blunt, Scotland is more 'SJW friendly' than England - even the so called 'Scottish National Party' wishes to import more immigrants - and it has been like this for a long time. Historically speaking, English culture has long been somewhat individualistic but Scotland's academics took these ideas much further when they invented the Scottish Enlightenment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Enlightenment

    Ideas such as the 'blank slate theory' (which basically says that all men have absolutely equal potential and therefore blood, community, & race are irrelevant) and unrestricted free market capitalism were invented by Scots like Adam Smith & David Hume. Then those ideas were exported to England where Jews latched onto them and used them to justify their own horrendous behavior.

    5. Logistical Efficiency



    UKIP's base of support is concentrated in England and the party began to weaken not long after the Brexit vote. Now, as Brexit is continually stalled, there is building anger amongst UKIP's base of supporters. The solution is obvious, imo.
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    To sum up:

    England is the most receptive to Nationalist politics out of any of the UK's constituent nations and there are numerous 'hot button' issues that an English Nationalist Movement could take advantage of. If I lived in England then I would:

    - Begin building an internet campaign for English Nationalism.
    - Attempt to win over former Brexit supporters.
    - Use 'dog whistles' to hint at immigration reform.

    What do English members of Skadi think about this tactic?

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    I don't like any kind of deceptive politics or campaigning and wouldn't help any group who used it. Simplifying a message can be okay to an extent.

    On the main subject, Brexit is just one issue. It is traditionally considered that Wales and northern England politically were together with Scotland because of socioeconomics and voting patterns. The rise of the SNP in Scotland has changed that quite a bit, but, even so, you can see the pattern still generally holds:

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    "The map series shows the result of the election from three perspectives. The conventional map (left) provides the most common perspective, while the hexagon-map gives a clearer picture of the distribution of parliamentary seats where each seat is represented by a hexagon (middle, changes in constituencies results in some hexagons being split). The gridded population cartogram (right) provides the most accurate depiction of how many people are represented by each party, as it gives each person in the UK an equal amount of space (while constituencies vary sometimes significantly in their population size)."

    But UK general elections are distorted by our disproportional voting system (many votes are 'lost') and I think your Brexit voting map does give a pretty good representation of nationalist sentiment.

    N.Ireland in detail: http://karlwhelan.com/blog/wp-conten.../11/NI-map.png

    Northern Ireland will probably be gone in 15-20 years, ending the UK (without Ireland we are simply the Kingdom of Great Britain). Scotland . . . if I had to bet on it . . . I think will stay with England for the forseeable future. Their oil is dwindling and the EU itself is looking shakey. If we change to a proportional voting system that will also reduce the Scot's anti-English feeling because the Tories will be less dominant. Wales isn't going anywhere.

    Also, see this: https://forums.skadi.net/threads/173...o-Open-Borders

    If we do change to a proportional rep. voting system, that will give a chance for a nationalist party to exert influence (if any of them can get their act together) and I think nats. should campaign in Wales and Scotland as well as England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelfgar View Post
    I don't like any kind of deceptive politics or campaigning and wouldn't help any group who used it. Simplifying a message can be okay to an extent.
    I'm not saying you should explicitly lie to people but being 100% honest would never work due to the UK's hate speech laws. You have to be a bit Machiavellian if you want to win.

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    Personally I’m a regionalist. I’d like each historic region to have its one Parliament.

    Being realistic, an English Parliament isn’t too far-fetched. It has been discussed, and the only argument against it seems to be “racism.” It’s definitely achievable.

    Devolve all local matters to the state Parliaments and leave Westminister to foreign and economic policy.

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