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    Post Re: Ireland- a nation of extemes??

    Quote Originally Posted by Evan1211
    I dont know about the Berber mix in Britain though. 500 people couldnt contribute that many genes to the genepool of a nation. I guess the best way to look at what real pigmentation is would be to look at the person in the dead of winter when they would be lightest.
    The Mauritanian unit on Hadrian's Wall was not permanent. Their genetic contribution would be nil. In either case, it means nothing for Irish genetic history - it would only apply to Scots-Irish who are pretty much devoid of any distinct 'African' lineages. That article is rehashing material known for a century, but not telling the whole story: the Mauritanians did not settle *and* the story is part of a political campaign in Scotland to force foreign identity onto the people there, including a campaign to make Arabic, Chinese, and Hindi 'official Scottish languages.'
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    Are most redheads really centered in the British Isles, and on mainland Europe they are dispersed?

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    The British Isles, particularly in Scotland and Ireland do have a higher level of redheads than most other parts of Europe - though one also finds high levels in Germany, Scandinavia, and Russia. The figures I had seen were not 'anthropological' but were for marketing purposes, released to hair products companies for product development in 2000. IIRC, the highest number of modern redheads are in Germany - though Scotland and Ireland are right behind.
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    When I was in Ireland (Cork), local people seemed all to have a pale-pinkish skin tone and light eyes. Most of them were dark-haired (from light brown to medium brown) with a significant minority of red-haired, about 5-10% of the population. As far as I understood, red hair are from the UP substrate?

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    Post Re: Ireland- a nation of extemes??

    I visited the Isle of Skye, Scotland in 2002 -- where the majority of my Scottish ancestors came from. I noticed the natives to have the typical very dark brown to black hair in contrast to very pale, freckly skin (aside from a few blondes and red-heads here and there)-- I myself have very dark-brown hair, very fair, freckly skin, and green eyes. I fit in quite well on the island and aside for my accent could have passed for a native. I even got a bad sun-burn while I was there !!!!!!

    I believe the same trait exists in parts of Ireland. The ancestry of the Hebridean islands is a mix of Norse and Keltic -- a similar ancestry for many of the Irish I'm sure.

    As for Irish-Americans I can tell you that many of these so-called 'Irish' are nothing more than those bearing a surname or having an Irish granny. A true Scotsman, Irishman, Welshman or Englishman, ect.... do not have dark swarthy people around in their families -- unless there has been a mixing with another race. I find the majority of my fellow Scots in America who are darker skinned (or tan really well) can attribute this to the American Indians who their race-ignorant ancestors mixed with -- and I do not say that to offend anyone. This is particularly true when one leaves the east coast and moves west. The fact that many European settlers of America began to adopt their new identity as 'Americans' and forget they were Europeans is no doubt the cause for the present racial ignorance that exists in this country --- an ignorance I do not share.

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