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    and this sound a christian-progressive thought , pure utopic ideals , like that of multiculturalist jews intellectuals who teach us we're all the same and we can get along with everyone...
    Quote Originally Posted by Social-Nationalist
    I do not understand this sentence. Please rephrase it. Thank you.
    I was meaning that we are humans , not Gods , we'll never quit to make war , to feel hatred for someone , we'll never give up kill other humans , period.

    Christians believe that when Jesus will come back again , this world will be cleared of all evils , in the same way communist believe (believed , now) that in a communist society all classes would have lived in peace together , with no violence.

    Now , liberals are tellin'g us that a multicultural world is better than a homogenous nation , they're saying races can living all together in peace.

    To me , all these 3 are pure utopies , the reality are different the way they told us , but they don't accept it , they keep deceive us.

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    No, capitalism is motivated by one thing: profit. All of that is but a byproduct of the drive for profit, and may not even exist under capitalism, and has not existed under capitalism at times.
    Yes!
    Capitalism looks for the profit , it doesn't care at all about race!
    therefore capitalism is a enemy to us whites , in California agrobusiness joined liberals , democratic and jews to sponsor mass immigration fro Mexico , why?
    because of cheap labour , then they're fillin up California with milions of millions of mestizos , they took profit but lost race.
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    How does it do any of this? Please be explicit. Always make an efford to substantaite. Thank you.
    Ever wondered why so many millions people escaped from Cuba , North Korea and Eastern Europe communist states?
    Moreover I've talked to people who lived under communist regimes , and they told me intersting things , evrey condo had its spies , one couldn't even say what he thought because of the fear to end in jail , there were queues to buy a small amount od food . . .
    I'm not inventing.

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    Post Re: Why i stopped being a communist, & why I became a commie again

    Quote Originally Posted by Bestio
    I was meaning that we are humans , not Gods ,
    I agree.
    we'll never quit to make war ,
    War is a byproduct of the drive for profit, is largely economically motivated; war is also a most destructive form of punishment. with the abolishment of profit-based system and with the abolishment of punishment, which is unnatural and destructive to the race in the long run, war would be far less likely to occur, but I will not rule out the possibility that it could occur nevertheless.
    to feel hatred for someone ,
    The masses only feel hatred for those who are antagonistic towards them, the city-dwellers, the bureacrats, the bosses, the bourgeoisie, the intellectuals, the jews, the criminals, etc. etc. etc. - with the liquidation of those who antagonise the masses, I say, hatred would be far less likely to occur. I am absolutely not against the hatred of enemies, and the masses are always right in their hatred and it must be encouraged, since far from being divisive, hatred tends to unite, and unity is the most sacred of all things society can strive for.
    we'll never give up kill other humans , period.
    who said otherwise?
    Anyway, this, and a lot of what you said besides, does not follow from the premise 'man is not God'. please explicate the intermediate stages involved in the process of your concluding that such things are impossible.
    Christians believe that when Jesus will come back again , this world will be cleared of all evils , in the same way communist believe (believed , now) that in a communist society all classes would have lived in peace together , with no violence.
    This is absolutely not a belief of communists, since communists call for the abolishment of private property for resolving class antagonisms, and it is stated and proved in for example State and Revolution that class antagonisms are irreconcilable and can only be resolved therefore by liquidating the enemy class as a class (and according to me, as physical entities as well); thus in a communist society classes do not exist, and the belief that 'all classes would live in peace together' is contrary to communist thought.

    communism is not utopian in the slightest, and your attack on communism is a patent strawman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Social-Nationalist
    communism is not utopian in the slightest, and your attack on communism is a patent strawman.
    why didn't you answered this too ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bestio
    Ever wondered why so many millions people escaped from Cuba , North Korea and Eastern Europe communist states?
    Next time you'll give up being commie again give me a call

    (and he called ME a strawman!)

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    Post Re: Why i stopped being a communist, & why I became a commie again

    Quote Originally Posted by Bestio
    Yes!
    Capitalism looks for the profit , it doesn't care at all about race!
    therefore capitalism is a enemy to us whites , in California agrobusiness joined liberals , democratic and jews to sponsor mass immigration fro Mexico , why?
    because of cheap labour , then they're fillin up California with milions of millions of mestizos , they took profit but lost race.
    I agree with you entirely. I was only saying that it must be owned that the only drive of the capitalist is profit, not so much hidden agendas, and this drive has such intolerable byproducts as you describe.
    Ever wondered why so many millions people escaped from Cuba , North Korea and Eastern Europe communist states?
    Wrong. 600 people have left the DPRK since the end of the korean war over 50 years ago, and this is hardly any at all. Many were bribed by the U.S. to leave, paid 30,000 dollars, according to the U.S. government herself, although it was on inconspicuous terms.
    Moreover I've talked to people who lived under communist regimes , and they told me intersting things , evrey condo had its spies , one couldn't even say what he thought because of the fear to end in jail , there were queues to buy a small amount od food . . .
    This is an absurdity. I used to be in the communist movement. I know dozens of communists and their families who live or have lived in socialist countries who would protest the contrary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Social-Nationalist
    I agree with you entirely. I was only saying that it must be owned that the only drive of the only drive of the capitalist as a capitalist is profit, not necessarily a hidden agenda, and this drive has such intolerable byproducts as you describe.
    Ok , at least on this subject we think the same thing.
    Wrong. 600 people have left the DPRK since the end of the korean war over 50 years ago, and this is hardly any at all. Many were bribed by the U.S. to leave, paid 30,000 dollars, according to the U.S. government herself, although it was on inconspicuous terms.
    Well , you know , it wasn't so easy to leave a communist country , even vacations abroad weren't permitted , athletes took the chance to expatriate during olympic games . . .

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    Post Re: Why i stopped being a communist, & why I became a commie again

    Quote Originally Posted by Bestio
    Ok , at least on this subject we think the same thing.
    Well , you know , it wasn't so easy to leave a communist country , even vacations abroad weren't permitted , athletes took the chance to expatriate during olympic games . . .
    There is no evidence whatsoever that it is not permitted, but even if it is not permitted, it must be borne in mind that the north Koreans (and the south Koreans but to a far lesser extent) are racial nationalists, and they are prone to act accordingly.

    ?The following happened when Kim Jong Il was a student at Kim Il Sung University, One autumn day in 1960, during a lecture on Korean history, there was an argument on whether or not Koreans overseas could be considered a part of the Korean nation, since the Marxist-Leninist classics said that only when the foregoing conditions - common language, territory, economic life and psychology manifested in culture - were met could the people constitute a nation.

    ? In those days, scholars who dogmatically accepted the existing theories held that the Korean nation had been formed either in the 18th century when Korea was in the initial stage of capitalist development or in the period of Japanese imperialist colonial rule or even after liberation on August 15, 1945. Kim Jong Il criticized their dogmatic view based on the Marxist-Leninist Classics and said that the basic indexes of a nation are homogeneity of bloodline, a common language and a common territory; in particular, that bloodline and language are the most important in defining a nation, and that a nation is a solid group of people who are united with homogeneity of bloodline, language and territory.

    ?He went on to say that Korean nation has long lived in one territory, inheriting the same bloodline and speaking the same language, and it is a nation with a history of 5,000 years and with a splendid culture, and that expatriates, too, belong to Korean nation. A nation is a cohesive group of people that was formed historically and the largest unit of social life. A nation is not formed or broken up easily by a change in the social system. The formation of a nation conditions the appearance of social classes and strata. Even in a classless society the nation still exists. If one's bloodline and language are same, one belongs to one and the same nation, even though one's ideology, ideals and territory are different. This is his outlook on the nation.

    ?Our nation is a homogeneous nation descended from Tangun that has inherited only one bloodline for 5,000 years. Such a phenomenon is rare in the world. Homogeneity of bloodline is the most important characteristic of a nation. If we regard a common economic life as the main mark of a nation as held by previous theories, our fellow countrymen who live under the different economic systems of north and south Korea should be divided into a "bourgeois nation" and a "socialist nation", and several million Korean expatriates could not be regarded as part of our nation. Viewed from this angle, Kim Jong Il is the benefactor who has identified all the people in the north and south and the several million expatriates as belonging to one and the same nation. Language is another important factor defining a nation. Of the several factors defining a nation, territory and culture may be altered, but the homogeneity of bloodline and a common language cannot be changed. Since the people of north and south Korea have inherited the same bloodline and speak the same language, even though they have lived in different territories and under different economic conditions for more than 50 years since the country's division, they have a feeling of affinity and friendship. A common territory is not the same as the territory ruled by State power.

    ?The territorial definition of a nation means the land where fellow countrymen of the same bloodline and speaking one language have lived their lives from generation to generation. The territory of a national community might be occupied by foreign forces, but it cannot be lost; even a subject nation cannot abandon the land where their forefathers have lived.

    ?The main territory of Koreans is the land of 3,000 ri (One ri is 400 metres) where they have lived for 5,000 years. (5,000-ri means the total length of Korea's territory.) This land remained our nation's home in the 41-year period of Japanese colonial rule and cannot be land owned by Americans because they have occupied the southern part of our country for half a century. It is our nation's living space and nest today and will be forever in the future as in the past.

    ?A common culture needs to be viewed by taking bloodline and language as the common features. This is because the character, mentality and consciousness of a nation are unthinkable apart from communities based on blood and language.

    ?As seen above, Kim Jong Il's definition of a nation based on one's blood and language is correct and scientific. Kim Jong Il gave a wise answer to the question of our nation's formation. Criticizing the dogmatic view which fixed the time of the formation of our nation to the development of capitalism, he said: "Our people is a homogeneous nation who have inherited one bloodline, language and culture in one territory from olden times, and it is a wise nation with 5,000 years of history, a brilliant culture and splendid traditions." The question of a nation's founding is a basic one for the theory of the nation and is the starting point to systematize a nation's history.

    ?The Korean nation was not formed in modern society in the course of capitalist development. Our compatriots long lived in one territory having one blood, language and culture, and in the course of history they became a single nation. The beginnings of the nation's formation can be seen in clan society. With the emergence of the state, the clan became a special group settling in a certain region. In due course, this developed into a nation. This is a brief summary of his view on the formation of our nation. His Juche-oriented view of the features of our nation and of its formation presents a compass for people who were in the past obsessed with flunkyism and dogmatism to use their own brains and think independently about national questions.?

    (Full Embodiment of National Independence - from Guiding Light General Kim Jong Il, Foreign languages Publishing House, Pyongyang, DPRK, 1997)

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    Post Re: Why i stopped being a communist, & why I became a commie again

    I am not a communist, nor do I lament its passing away. But do consider the following statement for a moment:

    In 1986 the Chinese Communist Party had 44 million members in 2.6 million local party branches. This meant that about 8 percent of China's adult population belonged to the party.
    or:

    As the purges drew to a close by 1938, party membership [in USSR] had declined to 1,920,000.
    Chinese figures keep inflating, but that can perhaps be discussed in another thread .



    Communist party is an exclusive club. You are not born a communist. You are not made one at the ripe age of 7 days old. You do not buy a membership for $5.00 and become one.

    Communism is not intended for everyone. It is difficult to grasp. It is a lifestyle reserved for the best: like a Brahmin, or a Spartan. If you are so bothered by the name communist, think of Plato's guardians.

    Sadly, most of these so-called experts on communism are either a) those that never lived in a communist country, but are citizens of the 'enemy' states/followers of 'unfriendly' ideologies, or b) those who lived in a communist country, but were deemed not fit to become members of the party.

    Now, when it comes to the role played by people of Jewish faith/race, well, this should better be left for another thread, too. Suffice to say, if you believe a Jewsih rabbi to be a god, The Son of The (Only) God, and have no problems with having the Old Testament comprise 90% of your 'Correct living' manual, 'justifying' Marx and Lenin shall be a breeze.

    Anyhow, say communism failed. Miserably even. Say it was harmful, cruel, worthless piece of crap. A jewish conspiracy. All the worst things you can possibly of.

    But keep one thing in mind: you can be a demorcrat one day, and a republican the next. A protestant in the morning and a catholic in the afternoon, but in all likelihood, you do not have what it takes to be chosen a communist.
    When I look upon seamen, men of science and philosophers, man is the wisest of all beings; when I look upon priests and prophets nothing is as contemptible as man. Diogenes

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    Post Re: Why i stopped being a communist, & why I became a commie again

    Quote Originally Posted by Nehaj

    Now, when it comes to the role played by people of Jewish faith/race, well, this should better be left for another thread, too. Suffice to say, if you believe a Jewsih rabbi to be a god, The Son of The (Only) God, and have no problems with having the Old Testament comprise 90% of your 'Correct living' manual, 'justifying' Marx and Lenin shall be a breeze.
    Kindly elaborate please

    Anyhow, say communism failed. Miserably even. Say it was harmful, cruel, worthless piece of crap.
    It did and it was. Reality attests to that

    But keep one thing in mind: you can be a demorcrat one day, and a republican the next. A protestant in the morning and a catholic in the afternoon, but in all likelihood, you do not have what it takes to be chosen a communist.


    True, I'm not gullible enough to allow myself to be chosen to be a Communist. I leave that for the those who are easily mesmerised by seductive, fancy-sounding arguments and catchy mantras.

    Smash the Fascists! Mobilise now

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    Post Re: Why i stopped being a communist, & why I became a commie again

    Anyhow, say communism failed. Miserably even. Say it was harmful, cruel, worthless piece of crap.

    Absurd.

    First, you will do well to know what communism is. Communism is that stage of the development of society following socialism and preceding capitalism, and there is also 'primitive communism' which preceded ancient slave society, both characterised by the absence of private property and therewith class distinction and the state. It has never even been attempted, except in savage tribes. Now, the state is basically an instrument of repression whereby the ruling class (in capitalist society, the bourgeousie) remains economically dominant: it is the product and manifestation of conflict between classes, and without the existence of classes the state is superfluous and withers away of itself. Hence, there has not been a "communist country". For the world revolutionary process needs to reach a point at which the system of global capitalism has disintegrated; at which point global capitalism is replaced with global socialism. Global capitalism, however, continued to exists, and with it also antagonistic class contradictions. There were still two opposed classes in the world: the proletarian class and the bourgeois class.

    'Communism' has not failed. It has not been put into practise, and no so-called 'communist state' has ever even claimed to be communist. Yes, it is true, socialism has suffered a defeat, but so what of it? To say put the blame entirely on socialism (or 'communism' as you so ignorantly put it) for the fall of socialist countries is a patent oversimplification.
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