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    I have contacted a friend of mine and hopefully tomorrow morning I will have in my hands a piece of translated German documentation that will put this topic to rest for good. As this publication was approved by Himmler and distributed to SS men for their educational purposes, it would be the first thing posted on this board in this debate showing an official German view toward Slavs.

    Prepare your concession posts in advance.

    You guys keep asking for "proof" of things that are common knowledge, always enforcing a double standard. I have been in this same debate many times for the past few years and my experience has been that you can post all the "proof" you want and people that WANT to be Untermenschen will still be Untermenschen. But you HAD to keep asking so now it's coming! My scanner is ready to go!

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    Post Re: The End is Near

    Quote Originally Posted by J.P. Slovjanski
    I have contacted a friend of mine and hopefully tomorrow morning I will have in my hands a piece of translated German documentation that will put this topic to rest for good. As this publication was approved by Himmler and distributed to SS men for their educational purposes, it would be the first thing posted on this board in this debate showing an official German view toward Slavs.

    Prepare your concession posts in advance.

    You guys keep asking for "proof" of things that are common knowledge, always enforcing a double standard. I have been in this same debate many times for the past few years and my experience has been that you can post all the "proof" you want and people that WANT to be Untermenschen will still be Untermenschen. But you HAD to keep asking so now it's coming! My scanner is ready to go!
    What is "a piece of translated German documentation"? Some ambiguous, nominal SS declaration respecting the integrity of the Slavs? You had better provide a scan of "The Sub-Human" and an complementary translation, or don't bother.

    I'm sure you'll still come up short -- what you'll provide will probably be facile and vague -- considering Himmler's known, documented attitude of reducing Slavs to helots speaks volumes:

    For the SS Man, one principle must apply absolutely: we must be honest, decent, loyal, and comradely to members of our own blood, and to no one else. What happens to the Russians, the Czechs, is totally indifferent to me. Whatever is available to us in good blood of our type, we will take for ourselves, that is, we will steal their children and bring them up with us, if necessary. Whether other races live well or die of hunger is only of interest to me insofar as we need them as slaves for our culture; otherwise that doesn't interest me.

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    Post Re: The End is Near

    Onda gledaj lafčino, vidiš ga?

    - Seit ich in Sarajevo bin, suche ich Walter und finde ihn nicht. Und jetzt, wo ich gehen muss, weiss ich wer er ist.
    - Sie wissen wer Walter ist!? Sagen Sie mir sofort seinen Namen!
    - Sehen Sie diese Stadt? Das ist Walter.
    When I look upon seamen, men of science and philosophers, man is the wisest of all beings; when I look upon priests and prophets nothing is as contemptible as man. Diogenes

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    Post Re: The End is Near

    Quote Originally Posted by The Blond Beast
    What is "a piece of translated German documentation"? Some ambiguous, nominal SS declaration respecting the integrity of the Slavs? You had better provide a scan of "The Sub-Human" and an complementary translation, or don't bother.
    Oh so now I have to actually PROVIDE the Untermensch magazine scans, but nobody demands that Hohne display pages or more of the same in his book? Once again the usual double standard.


    Don't worry, this is actually an ESSENTIAL piece of SS literature. Your excessive demands and conditions show how you try to weasel out of arguments you can't win.

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    Post Re: The End is Near

    Quote Originally Posted by J.P. Slovjanski
    Oh so now I have to actually PROVIDE the Untermensch magazine scans, but nobody demands that Hohne display pages or more of the same in his book? Once again the usual double standard.
    A putative translation (interpretation) that someone gives you carries no weight. If you can't reproduce primary material you've gained no ground.

    Also, Heinz Höhne is a reputable historian -- you are not even reputable, let alone a competent historian.

    Also, the Third Reich's belief in Slavic inferiority is an accepted fact and is considered common knowledge -- the onus is on you to prove otherwise as you are the one going against the grain of 60 years of historiography.

    Quote Originally Posted by J.P. Slovjanski
    Don't worry, this is actually an ESSENTIAL piece of SS literature. Your excessive demands and conditions show how you try to weasel out of arguments you can't win.
    What constitutes "essential"? I would hope that you'll place this material in the appropriate context, but who am I kidding?

    Also, these "excessive demands" are really quite reasonable. They will dissuade you from cutting corners (as you so often do -- you're failure to cite absolutely anything, for instance), falsifying or deliberately misinterpreting that which you will try to hold forth as factual; these "excessive demands" prevent you from being the weasel.
    Last edited by The Blond Beast; Thursday, September 9th, 2004 at 08:36 PM.

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    Post Re: The End is Near

    Oh look at your squirm!!! How amusing it is! How hilarious it is indeed that those who support and propagate the nonsense of Ehrenberg and his ilk suddenly try to reform themselves into model skeptics.


    Please show me where Hohne presents the original Subhuman document. That's your condition? Personally I don't know why you even bring that up since he doesn't show where the document says that Slavs or Russians are the "Subhuman".


    You've already lost so far, this will merely seal your fate. If all goes well it will be in my hands by tomorrow morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.P. Slovjanski
    Oh look at your squirm!!! How amusing it is! How hilarious it is indeed that those who support and propagate the nonsense of Ehrenberg and his ilk suddenly try to reform themselves into model skeptics.

    Please show me where Hohne presents the original Subhuman document. That's your condition? Personally I don't know why you even bring that up since he doesn't show where the document says that Slavs or Russians are the "Subhuman".

    You've already lost so far, this will merely seal your fate. If all goes well it will be in my hands by tomorrow morning.
    I have already cited Höhne -- you may want to try reading posts, even if you diagree with the premise:

    http://forums.skadi.net//showpost.ph...0&postcount=28

    [Heinz Höhne, The Order of the Death's Head, 2000, pg. 502]

    The SS ideological instructors preached that the Slavs millions were uncultured sub-humans with the habits of vermin. A brochure entitled The Sub-Human, issued by Berger's ideological craftsmen, explained to SS men why the Slavs were not in fact human beings. "To the outward eye the sub-human is a biologically and entirely similar creation of nature; he has hands, feet and a sort of brain with eyes and a mouth. In fact, however, he is totally different and a frightful creature, a caricature of a man with features similar to those of a human being but intellectually and morally lower than any animal. This creature is actuated by a ghastly chaos of savage, unrestrained passions -- limitless destructiveness, primitive lust and shameless vulgarity."

    I can just see you sitting in front of your computer monitor, foaming at the mouth while repeatedly firing out the fascist salute, trying to reassure yourself of your eventual vindication.

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    Post Re: The End is Near

    Quote Originally Posted by The Blond Beast
    I have already cited Höhne -- you may want to try reading posts, even if you diagree with the premise:

    http://forums.skadi.net//showpost.ph...0&postcount=28

    [Heinz Höhne, The Order of the Death's Head, 2000, pg. 502]

    The SS ideological instructors preached that the Slavs millions were uncultured sub-humans with the habits of vermin. A brochure entitled The Sub-Human, issued by Berger's ideological craftsmen, explained to SS men why the Slavs were not in fact human beings. "To the outward eye the sub-human is a biologically and entirely similar creation of nature; he has hands, feet and a sort of brain with eyes and a mouth. In fact, however, he is totally different and a frightful creature, a caricature of a man with features similar to those of a human being but intellectually and morally lower than any animal. This creature is actuated by a ghastly chaos of savage, unrestrained passions -- limitless destructiveness, primitive lust and shameless vulgarity."

    I can just see you sitting in front of your computer monitor, foaming at the mouth while repeatedly firing out the fascist salute, trying to reassure yourself of your eventual vindication.
    The Order of the Death's Head makes numerous errors throughout. Perhaps you find Hitler's Willing Executioners credible as well? Or maybe Elie Wiesal's Night. I guess Jewish propaganda is ok when it backs up your Slavic victimhood claims. I am already familiar with this passage you posted. Now tell me.

    WHERE IS THE QUOTE IN THAT PASSAGE THAT SAYS "SLAVS ARE SUBHUMAN"? Why does he only write a few passage here and there? He does it because nowhere in that magazine does it say anything of the sort. I saw a translated copy, I am therefore I am on the same level as Hohne in this issue. That is assuming that Hohne even had the actual document in his possession.

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    Post Re: The End is Near

    Quote Originally Posted by J.P. Slovjanski
    The Order of the Death's Head makes numerous errors throughout.
    You're trained in historiography? Oh, I forgot, your "knowledge" is based, conveniently, on out-of-print books. I wonder why your references are out of print? :eyes

    Quote Originally Posted by J.P. Slovjanski
    WHERE IS THE QUOTE IN THAT PASSAGE THAT SAYS "SLAVS ARE SUBHUMAN"? Why does he only write a few passage here and there? He does it because nowhere in that magazine does it say anything of the sort. I saw a translated copy, I am therefore I am on the same level as Hohne in this issue. That is assuming that Hohne even had the actual document in his possession.
    Would Höhne have written the above if it did not state that Slavs were sub-human? I'm afraid that he gets the benefit of the doubt, not you.

    Regardless, Himmler's overt attitudes with regard to Slavic inferiority are well-known and documented, and ultimately are more valuable than any supposed interpretation of the pamphlet in question.

    Let's assume that "The Sub-Human" does not equate Slavs with sub-humanity. How would you account for Himmler's documented (repeated) equation of Slavs with sub-humanity?

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    Post Re: The End is Near

    Quote Originally Posted by The Blond Beast
    You're trained in historiography? Oh, I forgot, your "knowledge" is based, conveniently, on out-of-print books. I wonder why your references are out of print? :eyes



    Would Höhne have written the above if it did not state that Slavs were sub-human? I'm afraid that he gets the benefit of the doubt, not you.

    Regardless, Himmler's overt attitudes with regard to Slavic inferiority are well-known and documented, and ultimately are more valuable than any supposed interpretation of the pamphlet in question.

    Let's assume that "The Sub-Human" does not equate Slavs with sub-humanity. How would you account for Himmler's documented (repeated) equation of Slavs with sub-humanity?
    Since I read the pamphlet, I can personally say that Hohne has lied. I don't need to prove a personal experience to you online. I confirmed that the words he used were indeed in the pamphlet, but the connection is never made.


    Himmler is also documented as being the supporter of many Slavic divisions, as well as a friend of many important Slavic leaders. Can the man not make a mistake in his life? I find it hard to believe that a man who was a close personal friend of the Arab Haj Amin Al-Husseini would regard Slavs as subhuman.

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