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    70 photo plates from 1878-1880, mostly of the Chukchi, here, from a Swedish Arctic expedition. They have different types, some resemble South American natives while others look Mongolian. A few of the women look fair skinned, though it is hard to tell in black & white photos. Most of them have a typical dark, leathery skin.




    One of my wacky, Cosmo-like ©®™ theories is that Mongoloids & Uralics are evolved and very specialized for cold climate, Negroids are evolved and very specialized for the hot climates, but Caucasoids take an intermediate position, and are not too specialized. And this is one of the reasons why Caucasoids are the most successful travellers and settlers of diverse climates.

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    Wow. Look at the profile on this most interesting anthropological specimen.

    He reminds me of a picture that Coon had in his "The Living Races of Man" of a Tungus man.

    Tungus info:

    http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/T/Tungus.asp




    Cool pic:

    http://home.hetnet.nl/~bwijnandts/pa...n/yukaghir.jpg

    A good pic for lg:

    http://www.koryaks.net/images/armor.jpeg
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    Paleo-Mongoloids huh?

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    Post Re: Chukchi

    That first pic should be the image dictionary definition of "Prognathism"

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    Post Re: Chukchi

    Some say the Chukchi are the most cold adapted people in the world. Coon thought Caucasoids were adapted to dry weather, at least one dry season and that is why we have our noses. Nords are also adapted to reduced solar radiation and possibly cold. Mongoloids appear to be the most adaptable since they range from the Arctic to Monsoon Tropics--even the Equatorial Tropics if you count Singapore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff
    Some say the Chukchi are the most cold adapted people in the world. Coon thought Caucasoids were adapted to dry weather, at least one dry season and that is why we have our noses. Nords are also adapted to reduced solar radiation and possibly cold. Mongoloids appear to be the most adaptable since they range from the Arctic to Monsoon Tropics--even the Equatorial Tropics if you count Singapore.
    At present, its not known wether Mongoloid features are cold adaptations. Dentally the north-east Asians and Americans seem to emerge from within south-east Asians, according to Oppenheimer so that the Jomon, the Ainu and the southern Siberians have a relationship with south-east Asians but also with western Eurasians and North Africans, in other words the mongoloid dentition seems to have moved north and the process was gradual. Suzuki also finds that north-east Asians are descended from the Upper Cave race, through the Neolithic North Chinese, while the southern Mongoloids are descended from the Liujiang race through the Neolithic populations of Southern China and northern Indo-China, and they grade into each other, because of the lack of a boundary (like the Sahara) to seperate the northern and southern East Asian moderns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    At present, its not known wether Mongoloid features are cold adaptations. Dentally the north-east Asians and Americans seem to emerge from within south-east Asians, according to Oppenheimer so that the Jomon, the Ainu and the southern Siberians have a relationship with south-east Asians but also with western Eurasians and North Africans, in other words the mongoloid dentition seems to have moved north and the process was gradual. Suzuki also finds that north-east Asians are descended from the Upper Cave race, through the Neolithic North Chinese, while the southern Mongoloids are descended from the Liujiang race through the Neolithic populations of Southern China and northern Indo-China, and they grade into each other, because of the lack of a boundary (like the Sahara) to seperate the northern and southern East Asian moderns.
    But several finds in Laos preclude Mongoloid presence in South-East Asia before the mesolithic, when as by drops primitive Mongoloids(strangely lacking canine fossae and with low orbits) moved further south in a territory in possession by Negritos and Australoids(here, their traits show a softer structure and more rounded in form).
    In the early neolithic seemingly the Negritos weren't completely overthrown by the newcomers, but composite types, morphologically more aptly attached to modern Mongoloids.

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    Post Re: Chukchi

    At present, its not known wether Mongoloid features are cold adaptations.

    Maybe we cannot be absolutely sure at the moment, but everything speaks for a cold adaptation, because so many features are not advantageous, not even neutral without thinking about their advantage in a cold environment.

    I always said their was a basic, primitive strata of sapiens in Asia which was gradually replaced by Mongolids in the narrower sense.
    Indians f.e. were to me never typical Mongolids, but rather people who fled because of the Mongolid pressure.

    It sounds just logical that the highly selected and specialized core of the Mongolids (Sinid+Tungid) has even genetical differences compared to people less selected and still more defined by the older Homo sapiens strata both genetically and in their appearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    I always said their was a basic, primitive strata of sapiens in Asia which was gradually replaced by Mongolids in the narrower sense.
    Indians f.e. were to me never typical Mongolids, but rather people who fled because of the Mongolid pressure.
    There was more than one race in Asia, this is known, and the situation in the Americas is also proved to be the result of more than one immigration. Even the idea of three seperate immigrations seems to be too simple, because there is diversity among early North Americans, and the "Australoid" types mignt represent two seperate groups with different racial origins.

    Genetically the American types are distinct from the Neomongoloids who contributed to them, so I feel they shouldnt be considered to be a part of the same major race as the north-east Asian Neomongoloids.

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    Notice how extreme the forward malar prominence is on the gentleman in the first photo.

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